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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jan 11 18:50:59 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 14:41:19 2012. Lol, the fried chicken spot is still there. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 19:25:32 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Wed Jan 11 16:43:21 2012. 
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:27:31 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 14:41:19 2012. It wasn't any better in the late 1960's with the paper ticket transfers and the R-11's marked up with the "7". |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:33:11 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 11 13:54:57 2012. "C" cars never ran on the Franklin shuttle? |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:34:34 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:27:31 2012. It wasn't great but not nearly that bad in the late 1960s. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:39:06 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:33:11 2012. Almost certainly not. During the years that Cs were still around (until 1956) the Franklin still had Sunday through service, even express service. The Shuttles were pretty much 100% B-types, or a bit earlier the Zephyr was still there. By the time they started really scrounging for equipment, in the two years before the R27s began coming in, the Cs were long gone. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:41:53 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 19:25:32 2012. Somehow I don't think that really counts... but a nice pic anyway. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:42:46 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:39:06 2012. okay, so just about everything else ran? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:48:37 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:34:34 2012. That's not the way I remember it! I was the only white kid on the shuttle platform and in the subway station! |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:51:32 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:42:46 2012. Pretty much. As someone else said, I don't think there was ever a regular service R1/9 or R10. I never saw an R16 either, that was strictly an Eastern Division car until after Christie Street. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:52:19 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:48:37 2012. I was thinking of the structural condition. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:54:19 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:52:19 2012. I wasn't!!! |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:58:21 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 11 15:00:09 2012. It seems pretty strange to me to have spent all that money redoing the line and then intentionally hobbling it. The short platforms aren't much of a problem, but the way they built the single track is. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 20:31:09 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jan 11 17:27:58 2012. If that's "showing his age," whats this, taken about 7-8 years after I first rode the shuttle.
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jan 11 20:41:40 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:58:21 2012. The single track wouldn't be so bad, if the infrastructure for the second track had been left. Alas, all the bridges on the line and only for a single track. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jan 11 20:42:40 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jan 11 20:41:40 2012. Err, should say: "are only for a single track." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 20:48:17 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 14:32:02 2012. I only wish I was the age I was when I snapped that photo.... Old enough to do anything I wanted....young enough to enjoy doing anything I wanted... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 20:51:48 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 15:06:08 2012. I first did it the day I took those photos around 1990 or 1991, and while it probably wasn't quite as bad as it was in 1986, it was very rough. I was with a friend, and we moved quite fast down the rickety old stairs down to the IND. The station there was like a time warp. It's too bad it was in such a bad neighborhood at the time, as I would have loved to spend more time outside there exploring the remnants of the old Fulton El. I didn't go back until after it was rebuilt, and by then while the neighborhood was much improved, all the old feel of the old structure was also gone. |
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Posted by handbrake on Wed Jan 11 20:56:54 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Jan 11 18:30:50 2012. I rode Ex-SIRT, and B type steel cars on the Franklin Shuttle in the late 50's, early 60's. Once I caught a three unit train of D Types flagged as the 7 route to Coney Island on a summer Saturday in the early 1960's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 20:58:09 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 17:12:25 2012. ???Nissan Skyline R34? 
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Posted by handbrake on Wed Jan 11 20:58:43 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 11 15:27:57 2012. I recall mixed R32/34's that retired the B types by mid 1965. |
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Posted by handbrake on Wed Jan 11 21:00:20 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 19:25:32 2012. Museum Service, yes. Plan old R-1/9 revenue service, unfortunately no. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 11 21:11:34 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:41:53 2012. Well- it technically is- Ran for a decent amount of time in revenue service, as one of the trains on the line... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 11 21:17:59 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 17:12:25 2012. 
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Posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Jan 11 21:20:32 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 11 14:12:30 2012. I WILL GO WAY BACK TO THE LATE 40S TILL 58 WHEN THEY RAN 3 CAR STANDARDS. BUT FOR SOME REASON I REMEMBER THERE ALWAYS WAS 3 R-11S SITTING ON A LAYUP TRACK ON THE NB LOCAL JUST SOUTH OF PROSPECT PARK, IT SAT THERE FOR YEARS, NEVER SAW IT IN SERVICE, ALWAYS SAT THERE.IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WHEN THEY RAN THE SUNDAY SUMMER SPECIALS THEY WERE 6 CARS STANDARDS, BUT SURE |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jan 11 21:49:47 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 14:41:19 2012. The first time I rode the Frankie was in the summer of 1967, aboard the "weird cars" R-11. My mother and I were going out to Rockaway to visit friends. 1967 was a time of strife, in NYC and other places, and there was a rumor afloat that there might be a disturbance in the Fulton/Franklin area that evening. Things were quiet when we transferred to the A outbound during the afternoon, but on the way back my mother told me when the A arrived at Franklin, we would listen for any untoward sounds, and if there were some, we would stay on the train (think the plan was to go to Broadway-Nassau and change for the 3). We got there, didn't hear anything, and went up to the Frankie w/out incident. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jan 11 21:50:48 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 20:31:09 2012. Would love to see a pic of one of those Low-V's platformed with either a B or D unit at PP....IRT on the BMT! |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jan 11 21:55:49 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by handbrake on Wed Jan 11 20:58:43 2012. Did those R34's go to 76th St? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jan 11 21:58:11 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 15:39:52 2012. As do I. Circa 1969-71. After I returned from 3 years in Illinois in 1974 (during which time I returned to NYC several times in the summer and at Christmas, but didn't ride the Brighton line), I didn't see the R-11s, but 4-car trains of R-32s. By the time I left in 1976, they were using mostly R-27/30s (much to my chagrin, as I hated those cars) :( After that, didn't see the Frankie again until around 1991, by then the Hippos ruled the roost. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jan 11 21:59:15 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by handbrake on Wed Jan 11 21:00:20 2012. I wonder how they missed that! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 22:53:27 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 11 21:17:59 2012. There's more than that. I wonder if there's R34 on the R34. Dat undercarriage ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 11 22:55:16 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 22:53:27 2012. That's pre-verted! :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 22:58:40 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 20:31:09 2012. It actually looked nicer, in the 1960's, with the wooden platform over the abandoned trackway. 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 23:00:08 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 11 22:55:16 2012. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 11 23:07:08 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 23:00:08 2012. You KNOW things are getting out of hand when ...
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 23:12:12 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 20:48:17 2012. Youth is wasted on the young. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 23:14:09 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 11 19:48:37 2012. I've seen pics from the 40's of the station and not a white person in sight. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 23:15:50 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jan 11 17:31:14 2012. I think the part of the station actually open was a bit better than the part shown in your picture, which I believe was fenced off. Condemning half the platform here is what led to only using 2 of the 4 cars on the shuttle train, IIRC. They couldn't platform any more. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 23:18:41 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 11 15:00:09 2012. Ironically, this line was less important than say the Myrtle Ave and (especially) the 3rd Ave el in the Bronx. It was rebuilt in a way that these other two lines truly deserved more. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 11 23:20:59 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 11 14:12:30 2012. That don't begin to describe it---Dean Street before it closed seemed as though it would fall down; the line was downright scary. |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Jan 11 23:26:04 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Jan 11 21:20:32 2012. We also had a 6 car Triplex run in the early 2000's as part of a MOD trip. We left 3 cars (from the 9 car train) south of PP, and I think we set off a small track fire when we left southbound PP on the hardly used track before the double crossovers to the S/B express track. |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Jan 11 23:28:00 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 14:30:04 2012. When was the old wooden platform removed at Fulton. I beleve it burnt down. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 12 03:06:06 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 22:58:40 2012. So why on earth did they remove that wooden covering and go back (?) to having an open empty trackway? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:41:12 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 12 03:06:06 2012. The wooden platform probably rotted. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:44:14 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 11 20:51:48 2012. If you think the remains of the old Fulton el were something, you should have seen it when I first rode the Fkln in 1959, For some reason, when the Fulton was torn down in 1940, the city failed to remove the rails so in 1959, the running rails and 3rd rail for both tracks were still intact on that short section of el. By 1960 the rusty rails had been removed. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:47:40 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Jan 11 21:20:32 2012. All the movies and slides I have seen of the Sunny Summer Sunday Specials have been 4 car trains of steels which in most cases meant a 3 car B unit and a single A car. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:49:58 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 18:48:30 2012. One of the considerations in determining the same "type" of car would be the construction and the ability to MU among the various types. All of the BRT/BMT gate cars could MU and be operated in the same train. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:52:13 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 11 19:39:06 2012. While I can't say for certain if the Cs ran there or not, the presence of the Cs in the Southern Div for Culver shuttle service (KHy to Stl) would not have precluded an occasional C unit turning up on Fkln. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:54:05 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 11 22:53:27 2012. The car in the photo is an R-11 not an R-34. The R-34 contract number was only assigned to the R-11s AFTER the 1960s rebuild. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 12 03:56:24 2012, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle Rolling Stock Question, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jan 11 21:59:15 2012. I don't know but I understand the museum R-9s ran on the Culver Shuttle although unfortunately not the week that I worked it in 1969. |
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