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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 30 00:08:59 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jan 30 00:07:27 2011.

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Shhhhh! Everybody will want a ride. :)

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:31:19 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 23:37:03 2011.

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as for nostrand&bedford,joe brennan states that he believes that a brt shell station was constructed west of the intersection.the president of the nhrrhs,l.I.div.was a city cop,not a transit cop.I wrote the letter,period.who says my credability was shot without even knowing or meeting me,you.you STILL haven`t respond to my challenge.who can believe what you say.brennan can contact me anytime he wants.the bklyn eagle story is fact,the date is wrong& the location.it was 59st& 4th ave,bklyn..the mezzanine is now a relay room.pete rosa is quoting the NY times article,google it yourself.it was written by randy kennedy,who also got a date wrong.the 2 cops were in ther in 1978,not 1968.paul matus is refering to the nevins st.complex.not what I wrote.we ain`t in a court of law,a rediculous thing to post.that was subtalk.as far as contacting me,thats all I had to do was post my phone #.you can guess what would have happened.many times over the years I have said if anyone wants to contact me,email me& meet for coffee.not one responce.I don`t recall the eagle article date on the sucicide.I have posted many times that when I first started research I did not print anything down,my mistake.as for pacific st,this was told to me& my girlfriend at the 36st&4th ave cut into the SBYRR.we were wating for bmtman to conduct a walking tour of the sbyrr into the bklyn army terminal.we were right at the subway cut when approched by a retired t.a.track foreman who was hired by a civilian contractor to supervise civilian trackwork being done there.he was the one that told me& my girl about it.doug`s tour came about 10 minutes later.this was aweek before the D types went to the docks.american pig I never called anything on this a myth.where did you get this from.Don Harold also heard about the sucicide years before I met him,call him a liar too.in order to check the bklyn eagle from when the 4thave line construction,a whole lot of reading which I have no intention of doing.your turn.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:31:21 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 23:37:03 2011.

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as for nostrand&bedford,joe brennan states that he believes that a brt shell station was constructed west of the intersection.the president of the nhrrhs,l.I.div.was a city cop,not a transit cop.I wrote the letter,period.who says my credability was shot without even knowing or meeting me,you.you STILL haven`t respond to my challenge.who can believe what you say.brennan can contact me anytime he wants.the bklyn eagle story is fact,the date is wrong& the location.it was 59st& 4th ave,bklyn..the mezzanine is now a relay room.pete rosa is quoting the NY times article,google it yourself.it was written by randy kennedy,who also got a date wrong.the 2 cops were in ther in 1978,not 1968.paul matus is refering to the nevins st.complex.not what I wrote.we ain`t in a court of law,a rediculous thing to post.that was subtalk.as far as contacting me,thats all I had to do was post my phone #.you can guess what would have happened.many times over the years I have said if anyone wants to contact me,email me& meet for coffee.not one responce.I don`t recall the eagle article date on the sucicide.I have posted many times that when I first started research I did not print anything down,my mistake.as for pacific st,this was told to me& my girlfriend at the 36st&4th ave cut into the SBYRR.we were wating for bmtman to conduct a walking tour of the sbyrr into the bklyn army terminal.we were right at the subway cut when approched by a retired t.a.track foreman who was hired by a civilian contractor to supervise civilian trackwork being done there.he was the one that told me& my girl about it.doug`s tour came about 10 minutes later.this was aweek before the D types went to the docks.american pig I never called anything on this a myth.where did you get this from.Don Harold also heard about the sucicide years before I met him,call him a liar too.in order to check the bklyn eagle from when the 4thave line construction,a whole lot of reading which I have no intention of doing.your turn.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:31:24 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 23:37:03 2011.

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as for nostrand&bedford,joe brennan states that he believes that a brt shell station was constructed west of the intersection.the president of the nhrrhs,l.I.div.was a city cop,not a transit cop.I wrote the letter,period.who says my credability was shot without even knowing or meeting me,you.you STILL haven`t respond to my challenge.who can believe what you say.brennan can contact me anytime he wants.the bklyn eagle story is fact,the date is wrong& the location.it was 59st& 4th ave,bklyn..the mezzanine is now a relay room.pete rosa is quoting the NY times article,google it yourself.it was written by randy kennedy,who also got a date wrong.the 2 cops were in ther in 1978,not 1968.paul matus is refering to the nevins st.complex.not what I wrote.we ain`t in a court of law,a rediculous thing to post.that was subtalk.as far as contacting me,thats all I had to do was post my phone #.you can guess what would have happened.many times over the years I have said if anyone wants to contact me,email me& meet for coffee.not one responce.I don`t recall the eagle article date on the sucicide.I have posted many times that when I first started research I did not print anything down,my mistake.as for pacific st,this was told to me& my girlfriend at the 36st&4th ave cut into the SBYRR.we were wating for bmtman to conduct a walking tour of the sbyrr into the bklyn army terminal.we were right at the subway cut when approched by a retired t.a.track foreman who was hired by a civilian contractor to supervise civilian trackwork being done there.he was the one that told me& my girl about it.doug`s tour came about 10 minutes later.this was aweek before the D types went to the docks.american pig I never called anything on this a myth.where did you get this from.Don Harold also heard about the sucicide years before I met him,call him a liar too.in order to check the bklyn eagle from when the 4thave line construction,a whole lot of reading which I have no intention of doing.your turn.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:31:24 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 23:37:03 2011.

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as for nostrand&bedford,joe brennan states that he believes that a brt shell station was constructed west of the intersection.the president of the nhrrhs,l.I.div.was a city cop,not a transit cop.I wrote the letter,period.who says my credability was shot without even knowing or meeting me,you.you STILL haven`t respond to my challenge.who can believe what you say.brennan can contact me anytime he wants.the bklyn eagle story is fact,the date is wrong& the location.it was 59st& 4th ave,bklyn..the mezzanine is now a relay room.pete rosa is quoting the NY times article,google it yourself.it was written by randy kennedy,who also got a date wrong.the 2 cops were in ther in 1978,not 1968.paul matus is refering to the nevins st.complex.not what I wrote.we ain`t in a court of law,a rediculous thing to post.that was subtalk.as far as contacting me,thats all I had to do was post my phone #.you can guess what would have happened.many times over the years I have said if anyone wants to contact me,email me& meet for coffee.not one responce.I don`t recall the eagle article date on the sucicide.I have posted many times that when I first started research I did not print anything down,my mistake.as for pacific st,this was told to me& my girlfriend at the 36st&4th ave cut into the SBYRR.we were wating for bmtman to conduct a walking tour of the sbyrr into the bklyn army terminal.we were right at the subway cut when approched by a retired t.a.track foreman who was hired by a civilian contractor to supervise civilian trackwork being done there.he was the one that told me& my girl about it.doug`s tour came about 10 minutes later.this was aweek before the D types went to the docks.american pig I never called anything on this a myth.where did you get this from.Don Harold also heard about the sucicide years before I met him,call him a liar too.in order to check the bklyn eagle from when the 4thave line construction,a whole lot of reading which I have no intention of doing.your turn.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:34:49 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:31:19 2011.

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sorry for the quadroople post,p.c.froze.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 30 00:47:29 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jan 29 19:16:12 2011.

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John, I can't believe you actually thought that Joe was the one who started all this!!!! You must think people here are pretty stupid...

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jan 30 01:08:20 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 30 00:47:29 2011.

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John, I can't believe you actually thought that Joe was the one who started all this!!!! You must think people here are pretty stupid...

The first I head if this was the 03 31 2002 in Joseph Brennan USNET post. My historical knowledge of NYCT is puney compared to what I know about WMATA.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 30 02:09:01 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 29 18:22:13 2011.

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I love this sort of thing.

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 05:00:25 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011.

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could it be?

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Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 30 05:26:24 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 29 16:22:44 2011.

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But until the Pope does a calendar with subway cars on it, I'll stick to the usual suspects. (grin)

Heh.

Bill Newkirk



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Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 30 05:29:32 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 29 15:15:48 2011.

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I thought cats are afraid of water.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 30 06:27:59 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 05:00:25 2011.

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Could what be?

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Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jan 30 07:05:48 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 30 05:29:32 2011.

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Depends on the cat. My three and my brother's two love to take baths.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 30 07:14:37 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jan 29 19:13:27 2011.

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That WASN'T INFORMATION you posted..it was a joke..like you knew it was before you posted it..

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:17:56 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 29 20:43:23 2011.

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All true, but this is from 1924, which is before any construction would have been done. Unfortunately though, the only next image is 1956, which would be way after....we need the 30's or 40's!

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:19:26 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 21:28:15 2011.

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Absolutely. That's what I am thinking too. Again, this doesn't prove anything either way, but "if" there was to be a long forgotten subway station somewhere in the city, "this" is a place it "could" have happened.

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:24:20 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 22:45:31 2011.

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Yes, that appears to be the point we need. It's obvious that the realignment happened some time after 1924, but before 1956, but that's 32 years, and that's a long timeframe yet. As for construction photos, even on the street, they are so hard to come by as there was nothing really there at the time, so no one probably took photos. When there's construction through a more developed area, people take photos. Through "emptiness", not so much.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 30 07:25:06 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 00:31:19 2011.

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Brah...

Its a waste of time fighting with these people.
They have no intrest in the topic..they only want to "show you up"..make you "look bad".



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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:27:05 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 29 23:12:15 2011.

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I really believe that the realignment of Pitkin into Old South Rd was "probably" done when they were planning to put the subway through there. They wouldn't have jogged the subway up 100 feet just to go back 100 feet 3 blocks later, so "if" they were building the subway, it would have gone straight through. If the land was all broken up anyway, why not make the road go through too. But then again, there would "have" to be records somewhere. The city would have had to take that triangle of land through Eminent Domain or something, "someone" had to own that new ROW of Pitkin Ave for those three blocks before the city did.

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:33:44 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by f179dj on Sat Jan 29 22:48:52 2011.

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I remember that boat ride at the end. Is that still there too? What exactly was damaged and closed off in that "earthquake"?

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 30 07:33:59 2011, in response to PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 21:45:22 2011.

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*Y-A-W-N*

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:35:52 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 19:34:39 2011.

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It was declared a joke by later that day already. It didn't take "that" long for people to figure it out. UNfortunately, the whole thing happenend when SubTalk was down for a few months, and we all were at the Other Side of the Tracks message board, which is now done, so the thread is lost.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:36:51 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 29 19:37:00 2011.

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I knew something was wrong when reading the text. "Balls disappear into the ground", some guy yelling "What you take photos", that was a dead giveaway right there!

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:38:12 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 20:23:52 2011.

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The thing is, we all know "what was proposed and why", no one disputes it wasn't supposed to be built. The controversy is "if" it was built that far along.

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 30 07:41:24 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 23:18:28 2011.

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.........

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:47:02 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 21:36:41 2011.

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Oh Great, now we have an abandoned forgotten station at Bedford and Nostrand, and also on the R between DeKalb and Pacific! Any more information on these out there?

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:01:13 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 23:10:58 2011.

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Do you have a link for that? This intersection is sounding more and more like the Twilight Zone than anything else. "Homeowners had their first floors become second floors and their 1st floors basements? That is like something out of "Cities of the Underworld".

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:02:13 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 05:00:25 2011.

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Bad link....only links to the main page. You have to click the "link to this map" button to link to what you want, it's a photo of two chains linking on the menu.

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:30:09 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 30 07:33:59 2011.

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Does that mean you've worked out which station I'm referring to?

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:37:33 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:35:52 2011.

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UNfortunately, the whole thing happenend when SubTalk was down for a few months, and we all were at the Other Side of the Tracks message board, which is now done, so the thread is lost.

Here it is.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:45:54 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:37:33 2011.

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Wow, how the heck did you know the link to find that?

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:47:14 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:45:54 2011.

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Well, the first page works anyway....

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:48:26 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:30:09 2011.

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Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!! I just got the joke!
That is a GOOD one.
Actually trains use this station every day, even to today!

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:49:29 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 22:53:05 2011.

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Actually, I have photos of this station too. In fact, some of us can even get some new ones today.

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:50:20 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 23:15:06 2011.

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I'll post them myself, I have a few I took myself there back in the 1990's.

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:51:49 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:48:26 2011.

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And like all things 76th Street, it is a rehash. I found it in an old thread on Subtalk and thought it was time... So thanks, Jeff Rosen!

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:52:20 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 29 21:31:57 2011.

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Where is "the wall" in relation to that track board?

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:55:22 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 08:45:54 2011.

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I'd found it linked to on an old thread on Subtalk I was reading yesterday; so it didn't take me long to find it again. As for the second page not working, try replacing the long number in the address with an asterisk and choosing one of the other archived dates.

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Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?

Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jan 30 09:04:46 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 30 05:26:24 2011.

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But until the Pope does a calendar with subway cars on it, I'll stick to the usual suspects. (grin)

Bill: Don't give him any ideas. The last time the pope messed with the calendar we lost two weeks pay.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:19:27 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 08:51:49 2011.

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Actually, that's what I must have remembered too. I forgot about it until you mentioned it

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 30 09:32:05 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 28 17:02:05 2011.

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That's less lying than being misinformed (in the speed thread).

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Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 09:37:46 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jan 30 07:05:48 2011.

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do they wear those cute little shower hats when they do?

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 09:40:02 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 30 09:32:05 2011.

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Where is this speed thread?

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jan 30 10:00:18 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 22:17:11 2011.

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Above ground, Yes.
Below ground, countless times, as an A train passenger with my nose flattened on the railfan window.
To the Pitkin Yard, once when track replacement was being done in the Hudson Ave area. Trains were being run on the center track, into Pikin, reversed direction , then run to Euclid.
All of this is nothing compared to your time, and range of movement.
I just suspected the mall route, because of its width.

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Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 10:35:34 2011, in response to Re: Time to put this myth to rest Was: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 07:47:02 2011.

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check brennan`s site,he says there might be a shell station[ind] station at bedford&fulton,wesr of the ind row.

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by f179dj on Sun Jan 30 10:38:52 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 23:18:34 2011.

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Me too, since my home stomping grounds and took care to get it while I could. Only moved about 2 miles away, but there is no station shell at 212 and Hillside, nor at Springfield and Hillside.

The glass disks on 212 and Jamaica are (a) rare, and (b) typical of what was put over sidewalk vaults. This responds to the theory that the route shifted from Hillside to Jamaica at 212th Street.

Hollis Court Blvd. was wider and would have been a better choice for a subway; but then Moses would have had to be careful extending the Clearview to points south.

Since I lived in Hollis at the time, what happened in Bellaire/Queens Village didn't concern/interest me at the time, it was light years away even though only a couple of miles. But I'm glad, now, that those people in the area dug in their heels and said, this far and no farther about the Clearview (great road for speeding though; straight and relatively flat!). Otherwise I would be just about living on the service road of the expressway extension.

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Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by f179dj on Sun Jan 30 10:41:41 2011, in response to Re: PROFF Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 23:28:44 2011.

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Looked concrete to me; but I'm not breaking out my subway gear to go back there and investigate. One of our junior train operators can report back when the make a relay there.

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 10:45:34 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 30 09:40:02 2011.

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so i,m an out&out liar.tell ya what,your `re a bklyn boy so why don`t you meet me at kings plaza at your convenience and we`ll take a 2 minute drive to the h`way patrol pct.on flatbush ave&we`ll ask the desk officer about it.I will abide by his answer,will you?

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Re: 76st what happened?

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 30 10:47:49 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jan 30 10:00:18 2011.

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even t.a.people think thats what the median was built for.

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