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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 19:25:44 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:21:17 2011. >> And for the umpteenth time, dragging a $500/day rental of a ground-penetrating radar on a sled back and forth across the street along the route would either prove or disprove the entire thing.If we can get 20 of us who want to know...I'll kick in $25 to find out! Hey, how about this...we get 10 who say something is there, and 10 who say nothing is there. We all kick in $25 ($500 total)...and based on the results (if conclusive)...the losing team pays the winning team their money back. (I'm sure the $500 was just a rough estimate) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:28:42 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 19:25:44 2011. Depends on where you rent it and who's willing to go get the thing. These guys are probably right around the corner. :)http://www.nycsurveyors.com/#pageID=1059 There's plenty of others in the area too. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 19:30:27 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 28 19:15:30 2011. its been tried 2 times in the last 20 or so years by t.a.employee`s.you can see the marks in the wall.its 3 blocks thick with cement poured in the holes.I tried digging under the wall several years ago,made some progress than sand filled in what I had dug out.eyewitness accounts aren`t hearsay,they are an oral history. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:31:49 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. Frankly, nobody has done any research because we have nothing to go on. To put this to rest, consider this:1) Unearth missing construction photos of the station (if they exist) 2) Produce any records, be it NYC or Transit Authority that the station was built. 3) Follow Selkirk's advice and rent the damn radar sled after taking up a collection. Let's see if we can squeeze some greenbacks out of some Subtalkers ! Other than that, we're talking this to oblivion of what might have been or what someone saw. Pics or it was never built. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 19:33:00 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:28:42 2011. I may drop them an email...! After they get up off the floor laughing, I'll then say, "No, I'm serious!" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 28 19:33:34 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:42:07 2011. Not to mention that Pitkin was a relatively new street in that location, the "Old South Rd", slightly above Pitkin was the main road yet. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:33:37 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:31:49 2011. A fast back and forth along 75th Street across Pitkin a few times should settle it. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:35:14 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:33:37 2011. A fast back and forth along 75th Street across Pitkin a few times should settle it.Where does one rent such a gizmo ? But first, tunnelrat must put up the first $100 for good faith. :-) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 19:42:55 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:31:49 2011. no research?3 years ago I spent the entire winter going to every musuem in new york,including the queensboro library looking for anything written or photographed.they have very few construction photos of the system as compared to its whole.no photos of what should be a ground ball,construction photos of euclid ave.you will never find a photo of 76st.there is nothing written about the 66th ave ext.into the lirr but it exsists.please don`t sell me & my research short. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 19:44:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:35:14 2011. done,thought it would easier to break thru the wall. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 19:44:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:35:14 2011. done,thought it would easier to break thru the wall. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 19:45:29 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 28 17:05:11 2011. LOL |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 19:45:37 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:35:14 2011. One thing is for sure. If Con Ed, the phone company or the water department ever start digging out the intersection of 76 Street and Pitkin Avenue there will be about 200 "sidewalk superintendants " to oversee the operation.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:47:34 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 19:35:14 2011. Pretty much any place which supplies equipment for surveyors. Maybe Uncle Fred can suggest a few places. The equipment consists of radio equipment on a sled along with a laptop on which the display shows what's down there. You need to calibrate it, set the desired depth settings and how the display shows what you're looking for. You want someone who knows how to use the equipment since if something's found people will be bitching about the accuracy to the inch anyway. :)Perhaps someone already in the business can be pursuaded to volunteer a weekend in exchange for an eclectic writeup in Gothamite or NY Times. A story like this is something that could easily be pitched to a newspaper editor with a sideangle of "them zany subway buffs and their conspiracies." If there really IS a will, this can be done. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 19:52:06 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:36:34 2011. In any event why is that one track shorter than the others?All four tracks end at the same wall. Track A1 is shorter because the location of the switch connecting Track A1 to Grant Avenue and the subsequent reverse home signal protecting it is closer to the wall. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:56:43 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 19:45:37 2011. Are you kidding me? They'll need to build a reviewing stand and rent out concessions and fill all four blocks with porta-potties. :)Bloomberg might show. Heh. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 20:06:00 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 19:52:06 2011. Are those tracks still used for layups? A number of years ago a train that was being laid up on one of those track hit the bulkhead resulting in the death of the motorman.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 20:10:17 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 19:45:37 2011. One thing is for sure. If Con Ed, the phone company or the water department ever start digging out the intersection of 76 Street and Pitkin Avenue there will be about 200 "sidewalk superintendents " to oversee the operation.Pulling radar sled by two Subchatters would not produce one sidewalk superindent. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 20:14:22 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 19:42:55 2011. I wasn't referring to your research, just the subchatters here.Frankly, we need evidence or we're just blowing hot air. The same hot air year after year. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 20:26:28 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 20:06:00 2011. Yes, not normally, but sometimes they are used for lay-ups. I've sometimes seen an 8-car R-32 (C) laid-up on Track A1 at the block. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 20:27:28 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 28 20:14:22 2011. `nuff said. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 20:29:50 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 20:26:28 2011. any idea why they don`t layup/turn trains there anymore? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 20:42:14 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 20:29:50 2011. How can you turn trains there? There aren't any switches to bring trains back on a different track, unless you're relaying express trains just north of the station. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 20:42:46 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 17:47:35 2011. from what i,ve seen,no. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 20:44:12 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 20:42:14 2011. thats what I meant. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 28 21:01:59 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 19:23:24 2011. And I say he should submit them to railpictures.net for an opinion. ;-) |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 21:10:54 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 28 21:01:59 2011. Good idea. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 28 21:22:19 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. I believe it's there.But, I believe it is under the mall between North and south Conduit. I beleive it was to stay beneath thw mall untill it reacher Sutter Ave, then edge towards the eastern portion of Pitkin Ave. Google the area, and follow the roads. It could be. See the grates between the Pitkin yard and Grant Ave Station on the grassy mall. avid |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 22:17:11 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 28 21:22:19 2011. I don`t have to follow the road ,I was at the wall last month.it starts at pitkin & north conduit&lines up with pitkin.have you ever been to the area? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jan 28 22:21:02 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 19:15:35 2011. Okay, but you don't let it hold you back. And that's what counts.You're a good man Robert. Most here respect you for who you are. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by busdude on Fri Jan 28 23:23:52 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jan 28 22:21:02 2011. So if this station and trackway exist, wouldent NYCT have to inspect it on a regular basis? do they inspect other abandoned trackways/stations on a regular basis for structural stability, keep the homelss out, etc? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 23:31:35 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jan 28 22:21:02 2011. Seconded ... I've never met NETO in person, but I've certainly known him here for many years and he's a hell of a great guy. And one of the reasons why I enjoy coming here. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 23:58:35 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 23:31:35 2011. Thank you 2 for this. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 29 01:19:58 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 23:58:35 2011. You're welcome, bud! Just remember the golden rule - if you were meant to put up with other people's crap, they'd PAY you for it. :) |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:05:33 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by busdude on Fri Jan 28 23:23:52 2011. I'm not sure what NYCT inspects or doesn't inspect. Depending on the status of the area in question it may never have been officially transferred to the B of T or NYCTA and therefore it's custodianship may be in question. The old Polo Grounds Shuttle which was under the NYCTA at the time of abandonment was sealed at both ends and AFAIK has never been inspected by any agency since that time. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:07:08 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 28 19:33:34 2011. Not only that but if you look at Google, the thoroughfare in question is shown under both names Pitkin Av and Old South Rd. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:08:34 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 20:42:46 2011. I assume you are referring to So 4 St and Utica and if that is the case, why would any more be expected from the 76 St site? |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:13:01 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 28 19:52:06 2011. That has nothing to do with the difference at all! The wall at the end of tracks actually changes contour and the tunnel infrastructure at A1 tk does not permit the track to be any longer. The actual distance on A1 track between the switch to K1 tk and the wall is physically shorter than the other three tracks. I've been down there several times over the years since 1962 and that's the way it's been since that time. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:19:40 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 28 21:22:19 2011. If it were under the median between No and So Conduit, the mainline subway would have to veer sharply which it does not. What is (or was) on that median were 2 mounds of earth about 5 ft high that were "supposed to" be the ends of yd leads A7 and A8. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Jan 29 06:25:59 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 23:31:35 2011. Thirded. I can't imagine this board without NETO. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 29 08:12:38 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:08:34 2011. Well for one, South 4th was a PROVISION for expansion. 76th St, if built, is NOT a provision, but actual construction, as it would have been built as a continuation of building the line further, which they were planning to do. South 4th was just a provision for the future, 76th would be part of actual continuation of the line they were building. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 29 08:32:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jan 28 22:21:02 2011. Considering I have known the man for sometime now,worked in the same locations and hung out with him god knows how many more times I agree with your post Jimmy.He is not a say one thing here now and do a 180 five minutes later person. What you see here is what's in real life, a little rough around the edges a bit though but real as it gets. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 09:37:59 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Sat Jan 29 04:05:33 2011. no it wasn`t,both ends were opened.they used to drive cars into the sedwick ave side to strip them. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 29 10:49:35 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:33:37 2011. WE DO NOT WANT TO SETTLE THIS!IF WE SETTLE IT, WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO ARGUE ABOUT EVERY 12 WEEKS! Besides, if you prove it is not there, that would not be proof to those who claim it is there. 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 29 10:56:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 29 10:49:35 2011. I guess I have to agree....after all, we can't have the "They should make an M/V Combo" threads anymore.... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 11:03:23 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. Why you start thread? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 11:09:03 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 11:03:23 2011. why not? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 11:15:17 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 11:03:23 2011. second answer:many white men on board speak with forked tounge. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 29 11:22:27 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 11:15:17 2011.  |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 29 11:26:07 2011, in response to Re: 76th thread on this non-subject?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 29 11:22:27 2011. T.S. |
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