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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011 its been 2 days that I put the challenge to all the nay sayers about 76st.to post the extent of their research concerning 76st & to date the silence has been deafining I have put this challenge out since i,v been posting hear,at lesst 5 years& in all that time not one of them has posted their expertise in this matter,why not? come on boys,why haven`t you posted anything? I posted everything that I remember about this,you haven`t.how much "hands on"research have you done?I.E.going into towers, layup tracks yard leads etc.for the record i,ve never been beyound the cinderblock wall.if I were we ALL would know about it.as far as water still leaking,rediculous!it would have collasped the wall.I,as well as many others await your responce.since nobody has posted on this your credability is ZERO. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 28 15:49:02 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. Nobody is disputing that there are towers and layup tracks in the area. That proves nothing. Sorry, but the burden of proof is on the person making the assertion that something exists, otherwise I can say that there's a china teacup ride down there and you would have to accept it unless you can disprove it. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 15:58:16 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 28 15:49:02 2011. you still didn`t answer a very simple question,what research have you done. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 28 16:05:10 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 15:58:16 2011. We don't need to counter your arguments as they are not convincing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 28 16:06:01 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. We all know the board exists in the tower, the yard leads, and all know that the tracks led to there. The controversy is not that it was planned to be put there, the controversy is whether it actually IS there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 16:18:31 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 28 16:06:01 2011. do all of you have a reading disability?it seems so.answer the question. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 28 17:02:05 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 28 16:05:10 2011. Plus he's an out and out liar (see the minimum speed discussion in the How fast do you drive thread). |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 28 17:05:11 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 28 17:02:05 2011. Posting three minutes before Shabbos? Cutting it kind of close are we??? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:06:12 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 28 17:02:05 2011. so far nobody has posted what I asked for.if I didn`t bring it up,you would just ignore it.no research info for 5 years+ NO CREDABILIT,period. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 28 17:09:19 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. Skepticism is the default position on extraordinary claims for which no evidence has been furnished. You are making the claims, therefore you need to provide the evidence. You know what evidence looks like, namely one or more of: a photograph of the station interior, copies of some documentation relating to the construction works (it isn't enough just to claim you've seen them), or a geophysical survey of the relevant section of Pitkin Avenue. So show us your evidence.Your challenge is specifically irrelevant on these grounds: since i,v been posting hear,at lesst 5 years& in all that time not one of them has posted their expertise in this matter,why not? This is the argumentum ad verecundiam. And that's not to mention the arrogance of it. .how much "hands on"research have you done?I.E.going into towers, layup tracks yard leads etc.for the record i,ve never been beyound the cinderblock wall As you have yourself demonstrated, that line of research quite literally runs into a wall. It would be a futile waste of time to replicate it. But I'm glad you enjoyed leading your tour party down there. as far as water still leaking,rediculous!it would have collasped the wall. Evidently not. Perhaps they used good mortar. I,as well as many others await your responce.since nobody has posted on this your credability is ZERO. No, the argument from silence is a stupid argument here. And the only person whose credibility is damaged by your attempt to invoke it is you. And although formally it makes no difference to your arguments' validity (or lack thereof), you would probably find people better-disposed toward your posts if they were easier to read. You could achieve this by starting each sentence with a capital letter and ensuring that you put at least one space after periods. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:19:25 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 28 17:09:19 2011. plenty of evidence has been furnished,nothing on your end. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 28 17:28:20 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:19:25 2011. plenty of evidence has been furnishedWhich evidence in particular do you think points to anything more than an unbuilt plan? I would be happy to admit to having missed something if you can actually point it out. nothing on your end. As I've explained, you are the one trying to convince everyone else; therefore it's up to you to provide your evidence. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 17:32:30 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. Steve: You and I had this discussion a while back and while I do not doubt your sincerity or veracity I have to say that the jury is still out on this one.Let me ask you some specific questions though. 1) Assuming that the tunnel structure east of the bulkheads was built, what form of construction was used? Was it cut and cover or deep tunnel boring? 2) If the station at 76 Street was built were any stairways ever constructed up to the street level and if so how long were they there for before they were sealed up? 3) I believe that you told me that you spoke to someone who ran a work train into the station. Do I recall this correctly? If so was it hauled by diesel or electric? 4) Also am I right in assuming that the station never ever had any form of revenue service? I look forward to hearing from you. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 17:47:35 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 17:32:30 2011. You brought up some very interesting questions that not only pertain to 76 St but to other unfinished stations on the IND that we do know are definitely there. Were there ever any provisions for exits at street level at either So 4 St/Bway or Utica upper since I don't think passengers would have been expected to go to the lower level platforms at those stations to access the existing stairways to the street. Also although stairways might have been built from the platform level at 76 St to the mezzanine level, the ones all the way to the street level may not necessarily have been broken through since if they had, I would imagine that there would be some residents of the area who lived there at the time who would have noticed some sort of construction for them even if there were only openings without railings at the street level. |
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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 17:52:25 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 28 17:02:05 2011. So Brian, are you going to answer the question? Perhaps you missed it: here |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:54:42 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 17:32:30 2011. larry,I can only assume it was cut&cover as I have seen construction photos of the A line coming from ENY to liberty ave in an 2 or 3 year old copy of era`s bulletin.it was cut-n-cover.the transit musuem`s construction photos of the yard leads are cut-n-cover.the stairway to the mezzanine& [I assume]the street are sealed up from the platform.it was the pump train,I didn`t ask if it was diesel or electric.none,as I have posted so many times before the only tracks that were laid towards the station were A7[it bumper blocks before the station]& A8 which I do not know where it ends.the station is only framed out towards queens,the city bound part is only partially built.BTW,did you have any trouble reading this,because I didn`t use CAPITOLS.what a stupid thing to say. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 28 17:57:52 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:19:25 2011. No evidence has been presented. All we have is word of mouth accounts, plans that they were going to build this station, the station and tracks on the board at the tower (which was built as part of the contract with the station planned).That's not evidence of the existence of the station, that's evidence that they most definitely PLANNED to build it. No one is disputing they were planning to build it. No one wants to believe this more than me, but there is NO evidence it exists. None at all. Until then, it's no different than believing or hoping ghosts exist or an afterlife. We have no more evidence of either of those either, no matter how much we would want them to exist. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 18:01:49 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 17:52:25 2011. Uggh another good picture thread destroyed :( |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 28 18:03:18 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. I'll provide my research that 76th Street doesn't exist when YOU publish your research that proves the locomotive John A. Lott is not buried beneath the right-of-way of the Brighton Line at Washington Avenue. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:05:00 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 28 18:03:18 2011. lol |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 28 18:10:29 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:05:00 2011. So you finally admit it is buried there? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:18:56 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 28 18:10:29 2011. I don`t know who the hell he was& why is it buried under the brighton line? |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:23:47 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:54:42 2011. What is interesting is that the C/R who told me he was in there said that he rode in on a long relay from Euclid although I don't know why that would have been the case since the only place a train returning from A1 S/O Euclid is back to A1 in Euclid station. It could be that the track did go as far as the station and the train going in there was being used as some sort of rail polisher. What lends a little credibility to the idea that A1 track did go that far is that the concrete wall that is currently in place zigzags so that A1 track as about 50 ft shorter than the other 3 tracks at that location preventing a full 600 ft train from being stored there. It sort of begs the question as to why the wall at that location is not even across all 4 tracks so that a full length train could be laid up there if required. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:30:22 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:23:47 2011. randy,he most have confused A7 with euclid ave.NO TRACKS were built past the b/b`s at grant ave.there is no trackbed,you can see where it drops off. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 18:35:15 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 17:47:35 2011. My thought had been that if cut and cover construction had been used there certainly would have been a good deal of disruption to the traffic on Pitkin Avenue.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:36:28 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 18:01:49 2011. >> Uggh another good picture thread destroyed :(Well, apparently just a portion of it, the part he started was reefed. The original post with photos is still there. I just felt he needed a dose of his pwn medicine. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:36:34 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:30:22 2011. It may have been "temporary" and ballasted rather than concrete for work trains to get in there. In any event why is that one track shorter than the others? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:40:00 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:36:34 2011. one one knows.the ballast theory sounds like a good one. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 18:40:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 17:54:42 2011. BTW,did you have any trouble reading this,because I didn`t use CAPITOLS.what a stupid thing to say.Steve: I don't understand the meaning of the above. I asked a serious question and you gave a serious answer. So the only tracks that would have gone there would have been the Pitkin Yard leads A7 and A8. The four mainline tracks A1 thru A4 did not extend past the bulkhead even if the trackways did at one time. Would that be a correct statement? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:41:33 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 18:35:15 2011. back then there was hardly any traffic along there. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 28 18:42:07 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 18:35:15 2011. At that time the population density was so low in the area there would have little traffic to disrupt. Don't forget, few people owned cars prior to WWII when the subway infrastructure was actually built so that's another reason why there would be little traffic to disrupt. Most of the people living along Pitkin Ave up to Euclid would have been using the Fulton St el as their principal means of transportation and beyond Euclid, the number of residents along Pitkin dropped sharply then. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 18:44:31 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:36:28 2011. Yeah but it should never have gotten to that point. :( |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 18:48:39 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 28 18:40:30 2011. read kew gardens teleport post at 1709.it was scarcasm.not to you. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 18:52:06 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 17:52:25 2011. The rest of what he said about me is also gone. |
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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:55:29 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 18:52:06 2011. No...I think it's still there, I only linked to my question calling him out on that. Just click the "response to" links and you can trace it back. Or go here |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 28 18:55:53 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 18:52:06 2011. The boy gets caught, he whines to his buddy thread gets reefed no shock. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 18:59:29 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:55:29 2011. Ya that the rest. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 28 19:04:14 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:55:29 2011. No its gone teddman the boy had Larry remove i completely he dont want his buddies to see what kind of mind he has, a rotten one. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 19:04:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:55:29 2011. Shit the part were he called ma a Fat F, and my reply is gone complety. He know he was called out on that one. the dirty Bastard. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 19:12:38 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 19:04:30 2011. He had no right saying that about you. He has no respect for no one. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 28 19:15:11 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 19:12:38 2011. I dont even think he respects himself.... |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 28 19:15:30 2011, in response to 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 28 13:58:35 2011. It's very simple.No one on this board has any information other than hearsay to substantiate that the station was built rather than just planned. Also, no one has any information that proves the station was never built. For example, someone could rent a backhoe and start digging up Pitkin Ave in the neighborhood of 76th Street and as long as they didn't cut an electric, sewer, gas, or telephone line they probably wouldn't even be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to jail for 3 years. Someone could start digging, but no one has. Someone could sneak into the tunnel and start picking at the cinder block wall with a hammer and chisel, but no one has. The end. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 19:15:35 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 19:12:38 2011. That shows his status as a person. I been living with this my hole life. |
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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 19:18:17 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 28 19:04:14 2011. Wow...yeah, I see that now. The actual post is there, but it was edited and that part removed. Amazing, simply f**king amazing. Well, we all know what he said, and I for one will remember it! |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 19:20:11 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 18:36:28 2011. Well, it is what it is, and That's all Folks. |
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Posted by teddmann on Fri Jan 28 19:20:51 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 28 19:15:30 2011. ...what about that, "Call before you dig"? Is that *just* for utilities? What if you wanted to dig a 2 or 3 story basement and sub-basement there? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 28 19:21:17 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 28 19:15:30 2011. And for the umpteenth time, dragging a $500/day rental of a ground-penetrating radar on a sled back and forth across the street along the route would either prove or disprove the entire thing. No holes needed!It can SEE that far down, it can tell if there's concrete, rock or sand at various depths and if there's iron at depth below the piping, that too would show up. So simple and yet so distant an option. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 19:23:24 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 28 19:15:11 2011. I agree and told him that here: http://www.subchat.com/thereef/read.asp?Id=52347 |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 28 19:24:46 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 28 19:15:11 2011. Took the words right out my dang mouth! |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jan 28 19:25:14 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 28 19:15:35 2011. Yes, but that gives him no right to attack you for it. He is too disrespectful :( |
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