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Re: Some Subways Found Packed Past Capacity

Posted by shadyelstation on Tue Jun 26 12:07:21 2007, in response to Re: Some Subways Found Packed Past Capacity, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jun 26 11:38:17 2007.

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The E is crowded, but PATHMAN's ascribing that to the new service pattern is utter nonsense.

The new service begun in 2001 succeeded in redistributing the passenger loads on the F train as well as improving local service along Queens Blvd. That was the goal of the service plan.


Indeed, but even the figures suggest that the (V) is underutilized. It's been suggested here (and I agree with this) that the (V) and (M) lines should be combined as one. Take two underutilized lines and make them one viable line. Retains basic function of current (V) service while introducing direct Midtown/6 Av service for those along the (M) line and B'way Brooklyn.

The E is crowded because ridership is up generally, the E serves the heart of Jamaica and is fed by an army of buses, LIRR and AirTrain. Jamaica Center is truly a zoo in the morning. While it is true that some people board the E because it is the express service headed for 53rd/Lex, the answer is not to cancel the service plan; the answer is to improve J service for people headed to Lower Manhattan, and post comparative arrival times at 53rd/Lex for the V.

Agreed that the (J) should be improved. My idea:

-Upgrade the Jamaica El by rehabilitating structure and installing a center track. This center track would run along the alignment, but rise in the vicinity of Cypress Hills and take the "Jamaica Ave Shortcut", avoiding the slow S-curve into Crescent and connecting to Broadway Junction via the so-called "Alabama Ave Launchpad".

-Replace current skip-stop pattern with (J) local and (Z) peak direction express service. Service pattern shall run rush hours and middays (as opposed to one hour in each direction). (J) makes all stops to Broad; (Z) makes all stops to Woodhaven Blvd (or 75 St), then nonstop to Broadway Junction (via aformentioned Jamaica Shortcut), then Myrtle, Marcy, and all stops on Nassau. Each service runs 7 TPH (or 8 Z's and 6 J's)

-Combined (M)/(V) service would run as the (M) 6th Ave Local via Chrystie Connector. I see the service running 9 TPH peak, with 6 TPH going to Metropolitan (due to Myrtle's at-grade crossing) and 3 TPH short-turning at LES/2 Ave. Combined with my proposed TPH levels for the (J)/(Z), 20 TPH will cross the Williamsburg Bridge. That shouldn't overburden it IMO.

Of course, cash and NIMBY's (especially with regard to the Jamaica Shortcut) will pose a problem. Also, 4th Ave and West End would lose the (M)...perhaps (J)/(Z) or even (W) could be extended there?
If anything, at the very LEAST expand the hours of skip-stop operation on the (J)/(Z).

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