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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 23:26:41 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Feb 28 20:22:16 2012.

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I hope you get a new contract in the next 200 years. I'd be furious about a Democrat offering 0's. You'd expect that from a Republican.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:28:33 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Feb 28 20:22:16 2012.

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Apples and oranges. If you're saying that our Founding Fathers had the idealism of "let's march on Jerusalem and kill all the Jews", you have lots and lots of problems.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:31:45 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 23:26:41 2012.

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He just compared the birth of the USA to a takeover by the Ottoman Empire. Do you really think he's thinking straight?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 23:34:17 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:31:45 2012.

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I'm of the opinion that he went to his local high school, followed by CUNY schools, where that kind of thinking is taught. It's the only explanation.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:53:55 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 23:34:17 2012.

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Too much of that. Right out of the Communist Manifesto, that is:
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
Combine that with "abolition of the family" and "abolition of private property" and you can see where that's leading.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 29 00:02:20 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:53:55 2012.

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Yep ... the republican platform committee. :)

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Egypt Revolts; Islamist picked as speaker of upper house of Parliament

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 02:30:00 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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AP via Seattle Times
Originally published Tuesday, February 28, 2012 at 6:58 am

Islamist voted speaker of Egypt's upper house

By HAMZA HENDAWI
Associated Press
CAIRO — Egypt's newly elected upper house of parliament picked an Islamist as its speaker on Tuesday, consolidating control by the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party over the two legislative chambers.

The election of pharmacology professor Ahmed Fahmy as speaker of the Shura Council came during the chamber's inaugural session. Saad el-Katatni, like Fahmy a member of the Freedom and Justice Party, was elected speaker of the more powerful lower house, or People's Assembly, on Jan. 23.

The Muslim Brotherhood is Egypt's oldest and most powerful Islamic organization. Its Freedom and Justice Party members hold just under half of all seats in the 508-seat lower house and 106 of the Shura Council's 180 elected seats. An additional 90 lawmakers are due to be appointed by the ruling generals who took over power when Egypt's longtime authoritarian president Hosni Mubarak was ousted after a popular uprising a year ago.

The generals are expected to leave the appointments to the nation's next president, due to be elected before the end of June. Then the generals say they will hand over power to a civilian government.

Ultra-conservative Islamists known as Salafis made strong showings in elections for both chambers, finishing second behind the Freedom and Justice Party and giving parliament a distinct Islamic character. The two houses are due to hold a joint session later this week to select a 100-member panel to draft a new constitution, the main role of the chambers, chosen in Egypt's first free elections in decades.

Liberal and secular activists who spearheaded the mass demonstrations that toppled Mubarak last February fared poorly in the election for the Shura Council, repeating their failure in voting for the People's Assembly.

As was the case when the People's Assembly held its first session, Salafi members of the Shura Council improvised when taking their oath of office on Tuesday. The oath ends with a pledge to respect the constitution and the law, but several of them added "God's law" or said "as long as there are no contradictions with God's law."

Egypt's military ruler, Hussein Tantawi, sent the Shura Council a message, blaming outside forces for Egypt's continuing turmoil.

Tantawi, who was Mubarak's defense minister for 20 years, spoke in the message of "attempts to sow sedition among the people" to distract the armed forces from what he called the restoration of state institutions.

Tantawi, as in previous public statements, did not say who was trying to drive a wedge between Egyptians nor elaborate on their motives.

Tantawi and the generals on the ruling military council have been accused of killing protesters, torturing detainees and putting at least 10,000 civilians on trial before military tribunals. They also are accused of bungling the transition and failing to revive the economy or restore security over the past year.

Fahmy read the message to the chamber, then heaped praise on the military, repeating the generals' line that the military sided with last year's popular revolution against Mubarak's regime and has since served as a "sword and shield to protect and defend the nation."

Fahmy's comments appeared to give credence to growing suspicions that the Brotherhood and the generals have reached an understanding designed in part to isolate the youths and liberals behind Mubarak's ouster. They have been campaigning for an end to military rule.

The generals are hoping that the Islamists will provide them with immunity against prosecution for any crimes committed during their rule. They also want protection from civilian oversight for their vast economic empire.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by JayMan on Wed Feb 29 07:46:57 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, US liberals have "bitter awakening" to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 18:44:50 2012.

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You'd be deluded to think anything remotely resembling democracy can take hold in the inbred Muslim world.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by JayMan on Wed Feb 29 08:36:18 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Feb 28 20:22:16 2012.

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It'll take more than a few hundred years. More like a about 1,000. And it's not like they're off to a good start as it is (first, they need to outbreed a bit...)

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 29 15:18:53 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:53:55 2012.

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Just because it's in the Communist Manifesto, it doesn't necessarily make it not a worthwhile goal. Or do you believe that public education should be abolished, and laws against child labor repealed?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 29 15:39:33 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by JayMan on Wed Feb 29 07:46:57 2012.

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I think it may have to do with the fact that people in the Middle East tend to be a lot more tribal culturally. Scale this up to the level of nations, however, you get the "strongmen" and favoritism which make these nations so much fun. Plus these people have probably never known democracy, so it's natural they gravitate to what they know when everything is in turmoil.

English royalty aside, the colonists from England already knew of some form of representative government, so they simply had to build on that, minus the royalty. Even so, it still took them 7, 8 years to ratify the Constitution and set up the government more or less the way we know it now.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 16:15:05 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 29 15:18:53 2012.

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Just because it's in the Communist Manifesto, it doesn't necessarily make it not a worthwhile goal

That erases your credibility 101 percent.

Or do you believe that public education should be abolished, and laws against child labor repealed?

How bad is your reading comprehension? I said combined with abolition of the family and abolition of private property. In communism, one does not go without the other. And in communism, there's no room for parallel private education; everything has to be "free" (which by definition is not free; I did not say "public").

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Feb 29 17:06:33 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:53:55 2012.

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Right out of the Communist Manifesto,

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Feb 29 17:10:54 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by SMAZ on Wed Feb 29 17:06:33 2012.

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Yo, SMAZ. Just who is this Olog, N-E-WAY!?!? WEIRD

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 17:14:12 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 16:15:05 2012.

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LOL!

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 17:28:20 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 17:14:12 2012.

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Dhimmi say something . . . ?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 17:29:09 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Feb 29 17:10:54 2012.

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Wow, two dhimmis in a row.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Feb 29 17:30:54 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 17:29:09 2012.

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Pro Oil= dhimmi.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 17:32:51 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Feb 29 17:30:54 2012.

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Nope . . . no need to bow down to OPEC. Shoulda been busted up in 1973, but liberal moral "character" was too shallow to do it.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 17:36:04 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 23:28:33 2012.

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Olog, you've been proven wrong too many times to count, your ability to understand international diplomacy is weak at best. Your mind is stuck in a time that is best describe as Cold War Era. You're borring, and you've been caught lying and making comments that one can be described as disgusting because when you're backed into a corner you call people communist, nazis or anything else. You should stick to your knowledge of trains because your knowledge of anything else is limited.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 17:38:04 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 23:26:41 2012.

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Trolling again Luch? Turning a discussion from Egypts future into a discussion about a contract when one has nothing to do with the other? Do you really want me to shame you like I did last time? You have no credibility anymore, don't become Terrapin...

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 17:41:56 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 17:38:04 2012.

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The way I see it, the only shame is that there is a Democrat in Albany who is offering 0's. That's a credible statement.

When did you shame me?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 29 17:44:05 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 29 16:15:05 2012.

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I said combined with abolition of the family and abolition of private property.

Which have to do with going to a local high school and CUNY, how? Since the call for BOTH their abolition has not occurred, we're pretty far away from communism, no?

In communism, one does not go without the other.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 17:45:42 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 17:41:56 2012.

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The only shame is you cannot stay on topic when the topic is about Epypt, or do you lack anything credible to add to the conversation... if thats the case... then leave you troll. Stick to the conversation, if you want to discuss the Contract then make a thread about it and I shamed you good when you couldn't bring up numbers and kept changing your statements when it came to your asinine statements about illegal immigrants.

Stick to topic or leave... Terrapin...

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 17:50:08 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 17:45:42 2012.

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I never made asinine statements about immigrants. You said that I accused them of "abusing" the system, which I never did.

I was simply hoping to read your input on the Egypt issue because you were so gung ho about it a year ago, and not as passionate about it lately.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 18:12:02 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 17:50:08 2012.

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Now you change the topic again... then if your goal was to wonder about how I feel about Egypt then why bring up the contract what does one have to do with the other? I'm still gun ho for Egypts future, it won't be an easy road, the US took 200 years to get where we are now when it comes to freedom and rights. I read the news... just because I don't post all the time on subchat doesn't mean I'm less interested.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 18:21:25 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 18:12:02 2012.

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Question:

How did I change the topic again? I responded to your statement about immigrants and asked about your interest in the Arab Spring. You recommended that I start a separate thread on union talks and I'm going to. It needs to be discussed.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 18:38:04 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 23:26:41 2012.

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IMO they should just tie all general raises to the federal inflation rate and not bring the issue up again.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 18:40:02 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 18:38:04 2012.

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There used to be a clause in the contracts that stated that raises we're to meet any increase in the cost of living but the union gave it up in the 80s/90s

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Feb 29 18:41:47 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 18:38:04 2012.

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IAWTP

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by dand124 on Wed Feb 29 18:43:51 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 18:38:04 2012.

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that would eventually lead to the workers being underpaid.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 18:47:02 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 18:38:04 2012.

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That would not be bad. But it appears that TWU has no clout. People remember the 2005 strike, and the work force has a very poor image, barely above that of a meter reader. Cuomo is smart enough to know that TWU workers would never vote against him anyway, and the public does not want them to get a raise.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by JayMan on Wed Feb 29 19:03:40 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 29 15:39:33 2012.

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I think it may have to do with the fact that people in the Middle East tend to be a lot more tribal culturally.

Indeed. But tribalism is a hallmark of an inbred society, and not one that's conducive to democracy...

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Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 29 20:39:45 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, US liberals have ''bitter awakening'' to Islamic future, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 18:21:25 2012.

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How did you change the topic? You switched from Egypt to the TWU Contract back to Egypt actually you completely ignored that fact in your previous posts... either you have the shortest memory of any human that roamed this planet or you're a complete idiot.

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Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for "construction violation"

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 02:52:28 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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The libs better not forget to pat themselves on the back for supporting this tyranny . . .

Compass Direct News

Egyptian Court Sentences Priest from Attacked Church Building

Assailants uncharged, but clergyman gets six months in jail for building violation.

CAIRO, Egypt, March 7 (CDN) — A priest in Egypt was sentenced this week to six months in jail for a minor construction violation at his church building, while no one in a mob that burned the same structure down has been arrested.

The Rev. Makarious Bolous of the Mar Gerges Church in Aswan was sentenced on Sunday (March 4), but neither the imams who called for the attack nor the Muslim villagers who destroyed the church building last September have been charged with any crime.

Bolous said the ruling, coupled with the absence of prosecution against those who burned down the church building, is clear evidence of persecution and a legal double standard between Christians and Muslims.

“I feel it is unjust,” Bolous said. “It’s not fair.”

The lower court that made the ruling also fined Bolous 300 Egyptian pounds (US$50). Bolous remained free Tuesday (March 6) awaiting appeal.

Local government officials said the building was 2.5 meters taller than what they had approved on a series of architectural drawings. Bolous said the citation was issued days after the fire.

The priest said the charges surprised him. A significant percentage of construction projects in Egypt are done without permits, he said, and even when permits are issued, adherence to their stipulations is casual and enforcement is lax. The village where the church building once stood is surrounded by homes that have two or three extra floors built outside of permitted specifications and by others that were built with no permit at all, according to Bolous.

“The whole village is full of people who are building against their licenses,” Bolous said. “So the whole thing is, ‘Why did they only cite the church and pick on the extra bit of building?’”

Bolous’ attorney, Osama Refaat, said the citation was unusual because by law contractors, not property owners, are responsible for permit violations.

“The right law was used, but in the wrong way,” Refaat said.

The Attack

On Sept. 30, 2011, shortly after afternoon prayers, approximately 3,000 villagers set fire to and then demolished the Mar Gerges building in the El Marenab village of Aswan. The mob also razed four homes near the church building and two businesses, all Christian-owned. Widespread looting was also reported.

“Imams in more than 20 mosques called for crowds to gather and destroy the church and demolish the houses of the Copts and loot their properties,” Michael Ramzy, a villager from El Marenab, told local media in September.

The tension in El Marenab began the last week of August, when Muslim extremists voiced anger over renovations taking place at Mar Gerges. Muslim villagers claimed that church officials were turning a guesthouse on church property into a church. They were also upset that symbols of the Christian faith, such as crosses, could be seen from outside the church building.

That same week, Muslim villagers began blockading the entrance to the church building and threatening Copts on the street — in effect making them hostages in their own homes.

On Sept. 2, a meeting was held with military leaders and village elders in which the local leadership of the Coptic Orthodox Church agreed to remove all crosses and bells outside the building. Peace returned briefly to the village, but by early the next week, the Muslim villagers abandoned the agreement and went back to harassing local Christians. They demanded the removal of domes newly constructed on top of the church building, and the hard-line Muslims — ignoring pleas by priests to leave the church building alone — called for it to be burned.

Throughout the dispute, Muslim leaders in the village claimed that the renovations were illegal because the building wasn’t a church but a hospitality facility — even though the original structure on the site was used as a church building for roughly 100 years.

The governor of Aswan, Mostafa al-Sayyed, sided with the rioters and cast blame for the attacks on the Copts and local leaders of the Coptic Orthodox Church. He claimed he had never given permission to turn a guesthouse into a church, in effect blaming the Copts for bringing the attack on themselves. But documents produced by church officials and independently verified by a non-sectarian group, The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, showed that Al-Sayyed signed off on construction permits that authorized the renovation of an existing altar area inside the building.

Bolous said Tuesday (March 6) that tensions remain in the village. Despite government guarantees to fund and build a new church structure to replace the old one, the promises have proven empty.

“It’s been six months now, and even after Field Marshall Tantawi gave the permission to rebuild the church, I cannot go back to the church or hold any prayers there or even go to the village at all,” Bolous said, adding that part of the problem is that Al-Sayyed blocks all attempts to build the replacement. “He keeps saying, ‘Tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, the day after — we are going to do it,’ but it never happens.”

The villagers who burned down the church building and have escaped criminal prosecution, Bolous said, are the same ones blocking the construction of a replacement. Because he can’t go back to the village, approximately 40 Coptic families in El Marenab are without a priest and cannot meet for Mass or other meetings traditionally held at a church building.

Protests and Death

Copts across Egypt were incensed at being blamed for the destruction of the Mar Gerges Church building. Coptic leaders also accuse the government of playing a colluding role in the violence by not enforcing the law, which requires imprisonment as a penalty for acts of sectarian strife, “thuggery” and vandalism of private property.

On Oct. 9, thousands of people marched through the streets of Cairo to protest the governor’s statements, the government’s lack of action to stop attacks against Christians and its refusal to prosecute perpetrators of violence against Christians.

The protest turned into a blood-bath after counter-protesters opened fire on some of the demonstrators, and soldiers ran over others with riot-control vehicles. Of the 27 people killed, at least 23 were Christians. Witnesses claimed that the shooters and the military were seen working closely together on the evening of the protest.

The army denied any responsibility for the killings, but eventually charged three soldiers with what amounts to accidental vehicular manslaughter. No one was been charged in connection with any of the shootings.

By comparison, the government has charged two priests with inciting sectarian strife, illegal possession of firearms, illegal possession of a bladed weapon, and destroying public property — charges that are much more serious than anything the soldiers face.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:13:00 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for "construction violation", posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 02:52:28 2012.

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I'm sure the PNAC boys will be very proud of this. Only problem is that the engineers of all this were CONSERVATARDS. But DO carry on ... democracy is working wonders over there, wouldn't you agree?

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:23:54 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for "construction violation", posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 02:52:28 2012.

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Why are JayZeeBMT and aspectoclaro so quiet about Egypt these days?

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:26:57 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:23:54 2012.

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Probably because they're not aware of the characters behind the scenes who decided at the turn of the millenium as they got voted into power that "democracy" doesn't always mean "American" and they screwed up badly here.

Ever wonder why Obama was taken by surprise when it all came down? It's because the OTHER guys designed and set all this into motion. But don't tell Olog that. When right wing shit blows up in everybody's faces, must be them damn commies and libs that done it. LOL

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:32:15 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:26:57 2012.

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Barry Soetoro is more worried about Rush and Hannity.

apectoclaro and JayZeeBMT were all over this story when it broke. Now they explain any setbacks with brilliant rationale like, "It took until the 1960's to get civil rights in America".

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:34:26 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:32:15 2012.

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Heh. Yep ... change the subject. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:36:52 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:34:26 2012.

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babbling about "commies and libs" and I'm changing the subject?

thanks. hope you bought flowers for bingbong for itnat'l woman's day.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:38:03 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for "construction violation", posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 02:52:28 2012.

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So William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz are libruls now? Serving the Obammy administration? LOL

You got your dream back in 2001 and it ain't doing it for you now that it's "mission accomplished" back then?

Behold the powers you bow to, son ... YOU won! Spread the joy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 03:39:39 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:32:15 2012.

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. . . which throws their reasoning upside down, since they're comparing the birth of the United States to the formation of the Ottoman Empire.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:41:29 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:36:52 2012.

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Didn't have to ... :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 03:41:49 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 03:36:52 2012.

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The biggest babbler accusing others of "babbling" . . . ? Talk about the ultimate in projection. What I remember is the libs crowing up and down about how wrong the "righties" and "GOPers" were when it was mentioned that Egypt would turn radical Islamist with Mubarak's ouster. As I foresaw, those on the "right" (at least those to the "right" of such liberals) got a hollow victory, and the libs want to keep quiet all of a sudden . . .

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:43:12 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 03:39:39 2012.

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You keep talking up your right wing, son ... now you're reaping the whirlwind and sadly, your righties handing over to Iraq and then the rest of the Muslim world is ONLY the beginning of what you espouse.

Ready for the repercussions of conservatardism? Gonna sign up for the war? Nope. Just another chickenhawk with a big mouth like the rest of them.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:45:01 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 03:41:49 2012.

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LOL

*YOU* won! Just look at all the good things you've done for the world with projecting America on people who wanted no part of it.

Excellent work! :(

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 9 03:59:03 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 03:45:01 2012.

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No he's right, all the hard leftists (Jay Zee started the thread about how great the revolution was) were praising the Muslim Brotherhood for what was going on in the Revolt. Many of the more right leaning people were saying it would turn into an Islamic Extremist country, and look what's happening.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 9 04:00:38 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 9 03:59:03 2012.

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But I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about the geniuses at PNAC who engineered this whole mess since the days of Daddy Bush. "Bring democracy to the middle east ... regime change, rah rah rah."

OK ... NOW what? They GOT their wish. Republicans ... conservatives ... here we are. THEIR design ...

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Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation''

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 04:13:24 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—church arsonists not charged, but priest gets 6 months for ''construction violation'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 9 03:59:03 2012.

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He can't wish me wrong. Sad but true reality.

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