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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 21 22:22:47 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 21 15:44:20 2011. Some people do. The ones who use the disgusting term "Judeo-Christian" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 21 22:24:17 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 20:17:53 2011. Horrific as these things are, they do happen, and will continue to happen unless the trait is eventually bred outWhat are you, a eugenicist? The only upside is at least they killed the boy before they burned him Murder is an upside? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 21 22:41:14 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 21 19:40:58 2011. I am talking about the kids in the story. They should face hate crime charges.And you should fix your tie before your next public appearance, JayZeeBMT. It's supposed to reach your belt. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 22:49:02 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 21 21:43:06 2011. It is not propaganda. And for that matter, it isn't leftist.If you might have noticed not everything is partisan, and I say quite a bit that isn't popular with most liberals. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 22:58:13 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 21 22:24:17 2011. >>>>Horrific as these things are, they do happen, and will continue to happen unless the trait is eventually bred outWhat are you, a eugenicist? That was simply a statement of fact. But in any case, eugenics has gotten a bad rap. As discussed here before, left to its own devices, the population is not going in a good direction. Forced eugenics is wrong, but offering incentives for certain individuals to breed and incentives for certain less-desirable individuals to not breed is perhaps a strategy for combating dysgenic trends. >>>The only upside is at least they killed the boy before they burned him Murder is an upside? If they had to kill him, better to shoot him before burning him than the other way around. Not saying that there is anything good about the killing, and I think that point is quite clear. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 21 23:03:32 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 22:58:13 2011. Who decides which groups are "more" or "less" desirable? What criteria are you using to justify your statement that "the population is not going in a good direction"? The word "eugenics" is, to me, a fancy name for an unspeakably evil social policy. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 21 23:05:39 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 22:58:13 2011. As discussed here before, left to its own devices, the population is not going in a good direction.Someone agrees with you! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 21 23:15:45 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 21 23:05:39 2011. LOL @ "European-American" babies.Interesting what he says about public schools. Truth is, Italians ruined many schools in NY with their violent gangs and drugs. He's 100% right about whites doing everything to make sure their kids don't go to school with minorities. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 21 23:22:10 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 21 23:03:32 2011. He's posted his criteria NUMEROUS TIMES. Pay attention. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 21 23:22:15 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 21 23:15:45 2011. Yeah, the parts about schools were on topic for the other thread. Well not really, but on topic for the thread drift in the other thread. And is he correct? People in LA tell me similar things although they don't make it racial. But I've heard that LAUSD was one of, if not the best school district in the country in the 1950's, 60's and until the mid-70's. No doubt that it is one of the worst now. I live in one of the better LAUSD areas, but I don't send my kids to school here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 21 23:36:47 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 21 23:05:39 2011. Rock on. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 21 23:41:02 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 22:58:13 2011. That was simply a statement of factNo, it's a sick lie. You can't "breed" antisocial behavior out of people; it's learned and it can be unlearned before they act on it (hopefully). You're in Hitler-type territory with nonsense like that. But in any case, eugenics has gotten a bad rap You need help, really badly. If they had to kill him "Had to"? If you have to use a premise like that, then you're not worth engaging and can be dismissed as a sicko. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 08:55:48 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 21 20:17:53 2011. I don't see what's particularly psychotic about this shooting.The body disposal? What were they supposed to do? Keep the dead body around? Also probably just one guy did the shooting. The others may not have even known that it was going to end in murder. This crime is as run-of-the-mill as it gets. I don't find anything particularly shocking about it. It's not like they fed the corpse to pigs or something. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 08:57:15 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 08:55:48 2011. Not funny. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 09:32:45 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 21 23:41:02 2011. >>>>That was simply a statement of factNo, it's a sick lie. You can't "breed" antisocial behavior out of people; it's learned and it can be unlearned before they act on it (hopefully). LOL, sorry Olog, the facts are clearly against you. Psychopathy and other anti-social personality traits are clearly heritable and while it is possible to attempt to deter psychopaths from murder and other heinous acts such as this (with the threat of imprisonment or execution), the trait is not going away and these acts will continue to happen. Whether or not the trait can be bred out remains to be seen (it IS possible in principle), but the factuality of my statement still stands: until it IS bred out, it is not going away (a statement that borders on tautological, in fact). >>>they had to kill him "Had to"? If you have to use a premise like that, then you're not worth engaging and can be dismissed as a sicko. I think the meaning of my statement is clear. If you had to die, would you rather be shot or burned? Have you read The Origin of Species lately? As you've demonstrated in your post about the inherently racist nature of the Confederate flag, your posts can sometimes contain a great deal of merit. Now hopefully you see why ad hominems suck. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 09:34:16 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 08:55:48 2011. Yes on the scale of heinous murders this is nowhere near the top. It is still first degree murder, and clearly the work of evil psychopathic minds. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 09:49:15 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 09:34:16 2011. the work of evil psychopathic mindsI doubt that. More likely that all of the murderous friends were doing drugs together than that they were all psychopaths together. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:01:48 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 21 23:05:39 2011. Aside from these:He's harping on the plight of disappearing whites, but he is not also throwing East Asians and Jews, the other high-performing, low-fertility races, in that category? And he goes on extolling the achievements of whites and he makes it seem like Jews are just another minority getting special preference at elite colleges and not that they are there on their own merit (mean IQ of 113 vs 100 anyone)? And he claims whites are the victims of "genocide", when in reality they aren't anyone else's victim, they are just not reproducing. Is it black and brown peoples' fault that white people just aren't as horny? But those said, otherwise he is correct. White people, if they continue on the current (self-imposed) trajectory are on their way out. East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews share a similar fate, but in the case of E. Asians they are already so populous it is less noticeable. Increasing the fecundity of high-achieving individuals—of all races—is a necessarily goal to ensure the vitality of our country and our planet in the years to come. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:04:35 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 21 23:15:45 2011. As lower-performing groups populate schools their quality deteriorates. Then the higher-performing individuals, mostly white and E. Asian, move to place their children to schools that don't have these low-performers (mostly black and brown). |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:08:01 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 09:49:15 2011. Obviously I couldn't tell you for sure (they would need to be clinically evaluated), but this murder does sound like the work of psychopaths.Besides, birds of feather do flock together (and groom together, as some psychopaths are "conditional" and become psychopaths in response to their environment, like falling in with psychopathic peers). |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 10:16:37 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:08:01 2011. It sounds like a number of murders committed by similarly aged black and Mexican kids around here over the last couple of years. It's nearly identical to a murder somewhere around here where teens lured an acquaintance to watch a game (Superbowl maybe) and then killed him and burned his body. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:20:51 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 10:16:37 2011. No doubt some of them are psychopaths. But that said, it is, sadly, more "normal" for black and brown people to engage in violent turf wars (as hunter-gatherer tribes are apt to do). Killing an enemy in war (which what gang wars effectively are) is different than killing a member of your own group in a nefarious plot. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 12:11:31 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:20:51 2011. You make lots of assumptions. There's nothing in the story that even suggests that they were psychopaths and what little I have heard regarding their behavior before and after suggests that they were not. Also I wasn't speaking of "turf wars" and the killings that I was thinking of had nothing to do with gangs. Like I said they were just like this one. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 22 12:40:23 2011, in response to Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 21 11:57:54 2011. WHY ARE ALL OF THESE POSTS ON SUBCHAT??? DON'T WE HAVE ANOTHER PLACE FOR THEM??? |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 12:42:19 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 12:11:31 2011. There is a lot in the story that suggest that they are psychopaths. Do you know what a psychopath is (and more to the point how common they are)? The bulk of the people in prison today are psychopaths, to give you an idea. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 12:49:58 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 22 12:40:23 2011. You realize that this is OT Chat, do you not? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 15:00:23 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 12:42:19 2011. There is a lot in the story that suggest that they are psychopaths.No there's not. Do you know what a psychopath is (and more to the point how common they are)? The bulk of the people in prison today are psychopaths, to give you an idea. Yes I do know what a psychopath is and no, the bulk of people in prison are not psychopaths. If you meant to say that the bulk of people in prison for violent crimes are psychopaths then maybe, but really they aren't. Many in prison act tougher than they really are. They have empathy even if they say or act like they don't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 16:11:30 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 09:32:45 2011. the facts are clearly against youAdolf calling opinion "facts"? Not surprising. Psychopathy and other anti-social personality traits are clearly heritable You're getting "psychopathy" and evil confused. There's nothing clear about it being inherited. You're clearly mistaking opinion for fact. No physician has ever at any time definitively determined that conditions such as becoming a psychopath is a genetically-inherited disorder. (Must be why you can't find any legitimate links and have laid off the wackjob links. You've left the pseudoscientists alone too.) but the factuality of my statement still stands: A statement not based in fact? LOL If you had to die, would you rather be shot or burned? Again pushing your false premise. Who had to die? Have you read The Origin of Species lately? That's your bible, is it? A book full of half-suppositions and no conclusions? I don't push religion on you, so kindly don't push your Ancient-Greece-based religion on me. (Looks like you couldn't resist at least one pseudoscientist, who cited the non-scientific BS of people like Aristotle and Empedocles as fact; that makes it religion. And the full title is "On the Origin of Species", BTW. Hitler found it very convenient to appropriate this, even after banning it . . .) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:04:19 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 10:04:35 2011. You're awesome. A liberal of color who sounds like a white liberal. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 17:07:32 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:04:19 2011. Would that be the ultimate in self-hatred . . . ?(Watch out for backlash from saying "of color".) |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 22 17:15:08 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:04:19 2011. "A liberal of color who sounds like a white liberal."Sounds? where are you hearing his voice? eh? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 22 17:17:31 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 17:07:32 2011. "(Watch out for backlash from saying "of color".) ""Of color" is perfectly acceptable....even someone of your high degree of knowledge should know that....right? lol......need I say more? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 17:20:48 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:04:19 2011. Today I was talking to a former coworker and she was explaining that where she lives in OC (a very nice and fairly expensive area) will soon start accepting students from Santa Ana into their schools. It has something to do with no child left behind.The test scores at the schools in her area are really high so they have a program that will allow students from schools that test really low to transfer to schools designated "choice" schools which are the high achieving ones. At first they decided to require that students provide their own transportation (which would be hard for parents in Santa Ana where most kids walk to school), but now the district has said that they may bus students in. She's especially worried because the criteria for admitting students will be income based. Kids that have parents with the lowest income get admitted first. So they'll have the poorest kids from the worst schools in the worst area of the county going to their schools and they are freaking out. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:29:54 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 17:20:48 2011. Liberalism is destroying America. And who will be the first white people to scramble to get their kids into another school? The few anti-God elitist liberals who say "No child left behind" is a good thing don't think so when their schools are messed with.Same in liberal Forest Hills Queens. Jewel Ave is the border between Forest Hills HS and JAMAICA HS. As a result, those zoned for Jamaica scramble to get their kids into another school, but you can bet they vote as liberals. Hypocrisy. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 17:31:58 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 17:07:32 2011. Yeah, it's not my favorite for several reasons. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 18:29:08 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 09:34:16 2011. It is still first degree murder, and clearly the work of evil psychopathic minds.I don't see where psychosis fits in. The fact that they didn't know what to do with the body and needed one of the culprit's father to dispose of it proves that there was no premeditation. Right after they did it they probably went "oh shit!". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 18:33:43 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 12:42:19 2011. The bulk of the people in prison today are psychopaths, to give you an idea.Not true. The bulk of people in prison today are dumbasses. What you would describe as low IQ people. Many are mentally ill (often enhanced by "self-medication") but very few meet the definition of pyschopaths. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 18:33:45 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 18:29:08 2011. I think that they were all sitting around getting high and/or drunk and hatched their "plan" while under the influence. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 19:09:13 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:29:54 2011. The few anti-God elitist liberals who say "No child left behind" is a good thingLike this guy:  or it's House author: 
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 22 19:18:14 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 19:09:13 2011. lol |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 19:52:07 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 18:33:45 2011. I agree. And probably not even all of them. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 22:12:59 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 15:00:23 2011. We can argue this back and forth forever as neither of us have proof of our claims. They (AFAIK) haven't been clinically evaluated so we don't know if they are psychopaths. They could be, and I suspect that they are, but we don't have a way of settling that at this point.Yes I do know what a psychopath is and no, the bulk of people in prison are not psychopaths. Yes, you are right, I goofed, actually about 20% of prisoners are psychopaths. While surely there are more among the violent offenders, most psychopaths aren't violent, so many of the non-violent ones, even the people who walk among us are psychopaths. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 22:29:37 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 16:11:30 2011. We could keep going back and forth with ad hominems, and with this:>>>Have you read The Origin of Species lately? That's your bible, is it? A book full of half-suppositions and no conclusions? I don't push religion on you, so kindly don't push your Ancient-Greece-based religion on me. you've given me a lot to work with, even though I will refrain from stooping to the fallacy. But, not only is it fallacious reasoning, ad hominems, as you see, suck. The bottom line is however that attacking (or praising) the messenger does not affect the truth value of the message. All claims stand on the evidence. And the evidence abundantly shows that psychopathy, like all human behavioral traits is highly heritable. To the extent that it is heritable the trait could, in principle, be bred out (though in practice this is likely to be very difficult). And, we need a few psychopaths in society, as some (as politicians, business men, spies, etc...) do perform useful roles. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 22:34:09 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 17:04:19 2011. As you guys should know by now, my politics is dictated by fact. I have a foundational moral principle: to increase the well being of people (and some animals)—all people, and to reduce suffering. Once you have that in place, with the help of science, the rest follows naturally. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 22 22:36:40 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 18:29:08 2011. Psychosis is different from psychopathy. Psychopathy (broadly defined) is the absence of remorse. They committed a fairly well planned pre-meditated murder. They are candidates for psychopathy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 22:49:18 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 19:09:13 2011. big deal.if your nieces and nephews were here instead of Italy, you'd be complaining about pc zones and all that stuff. they'd probably have to go to Catholic school. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 12:53:54 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 22 22:49:18 2011. if your nieces and nephews were here instead of Italy, you'd be complaining about pc zones and all that stuff. they'd probably have to go to Catholic school.Wrong again as usual LuchAAA. I have no nieces or nephews in Italy. They are all here. If I had kids of my own, I would have sent them to public schools in District 30 in Queens for K-8. I'm glad that both of my nephews went to very diverse schools in DoD overseas, San Antonio and Fairfax County, Virginia. Diversity and multiculturalism cannot be taught. It can only be lived. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 23 13:16:52 2011, in response to Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 21 11:57:54 2011. OMG |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 14:01:17 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 23 13:16:52 2011. OYG? WIYG? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Apr 23 14:50:53 2011, in response to Re: Now these are some EVIL kids!, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 21 15:55:11 2011. Amber alert |
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