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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:13:30 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:55:08 2011. I think you mean greed..cunning..barbarian nature..excelling at deception..thats where this so called "great AVERAGE intelligence" comes from..The clime down from those mountains..mating with various animals...bring plague..division..and anything else that bring destruction.. they've EARN the TITLE "DEVIL"..through actions recorded though out their history. The ONLY reason THEY ARE IN CONTROL..is through deception..oppression..and TERRORISM.. What they couldnt get through lies..they stole..attacked..KILLED UTTERLY WIPING OUT ANY OPPOSITION.T his is NOT the actions of a "civilized" people..its IS the action of a people spawned from the pits of HELL..put here to TEST the ORIGINAL MAN. Thats EXACTLY what YOU ARE..A TEST. UTTERLY WICKED..FOR THERE IS NO GOOD WITHIN THEM.Evil from conception..his actions shows you his TRUE NATURE.. Should I continue? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:15:28 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:51:24 2011. "Your Pal" certainly just took them as facts. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 6 16:16:12 2011, in response to Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 3 03:59:53 2011. It's time to put this thread out of its misery, so I'll get the ball rolling:HITLER |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:16:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 16:11:20 2011. hmm..i kinda though you were a child before..now im sure.no wonder you posted that whining bullcrap. Next time..whine to your momma..thats what shes there for. NO BITCHASSNESS ALLOWED..THIS MEANS YOU! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:21:26 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:53:35 2011. There are two fallacies in your statement.First of all, even if you felt comfortable making such statements, the thug element in Brownsville may not appreciate such free speech any more than you exercising your free speech a place like Howard Beach. Second, I was born and lived my early years at 139 Dumont Ave. right across from Betsy Head Park and went to PS 175 in the heart of Brownsville. There was a time when people of color could not feel so comfortable speaking their mind in my neighborhood. Your test, as colorful as it may seem, actually would prove nada. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 16:24:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:13:30 2011. You are aware that I am black (well, mixed) right? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:28:18 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 11:34:19 2011. HAH! I Did not mean to "offend"....but since this topic about the BLACK MAN continues in SUCH a DISRESPECTFUL MANOR..I just though I'd toss some of MY OWN TRUTHS in there..with history backing it up..Sorry if you dont agree.. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 16:29:26 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 16:02:31 2011. Like I said before, I'd have to consider the many non-intelligence related factors before I can come up with a firm answer on that. I didn't know about the relative success of the different races in Brazil at the time of that post and wasn't really implying such. I was trying to imply that different environments in Brazil & Saharan Africa might be one of the reasons for difference in IQ between Blacks in Africa & Asians in Brazil. You're not really going to have a fair & thorough discussion about this with anyone on this board, including myself admittedly, you'd be better off discussing this with someone on a science-oriented forum. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 16:32:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:16:51 2011. LOL, please. YOU was the one that started with personal attacks and is gonna have the nerve to call someone a child and a bitchass. The only one that's a bitchass here is you. You're like what? In your 60s? And you're acting like a child, as someone is is old and retired like yourself you're pretty damn childish. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:42:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:28:18 2011. It's not that I agree or disagree with any of the "acid" being spilled on the floor here. We all know all the negative stereotypes about all of us. I have no illusions that any here are truly free of prejudice 100%. I see nothing to gain by turning this into a huge adult racial rank-out session.......We can still all disagree about politics. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 16:43:43 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:21:26 2011. First of all, even if you felt comfortable making such statements, the thug element in Brownsville may not appreciate such free speech any more than you exercising your free speech a place like Howard Beach.Huh? I've actually discussed Howard Beach's past with a Howard Beach resident when I rode the Q11 there, and they didn't do anything to me nor made me feel uncomfortable telling them what I had to say. I've never discussed Bensonhurst's past with a Bensonhurst resident but I have no qualms about doing so. Second, I was born and lived my early years at 139 Dumont Ave. right across from Betsy Head Park and went to PS 175 in the heart of Brownsville. There was a time when people of color could not feel so comfortable speaking their mind in my neighborhood. When they began to though, whites fled the neighborhood. Your test, as colorful as it may seem, actually would prove nada. Yes it does, it proves that if you wouldn't feel comfortable saying anything related to race to a black person's face, then you probably shouldn't say it online, or you're a coward and most likely have some irrational prejudice against black people. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:47:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:15:28 2011. I CLEARLY..VERY CLEARLY STATED all of this crap JAYMAN and the "other" bitchasses spouted was,in my opinion,BULLSHIT.What offended me..as i clearly stated..was the utter DISRESPECT that was show to us..and how quick the PEANUT GALLERY jump on the DICK..TALKING more foolishness..["reasonable..logical..rational..what?] this whole freakin thread is a smear..and there is NO WAY I'm gonna let it pass without these asshole knowing HOW DISTASTEFUL THE WHOLE AFFAIR IS. That being said..I hope you dont take it personally. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Apr 6 16:56:36 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:04:31 2011. Salaam can!He even has a flicker account called "all white folks is the devil"! here It has a lot of pictures from the Planet of the Apes movies! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:58:09 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 16:32:03 2011. Sorry,son..MUCH YOUNGER..much much younger.no..YOU STARTED this nonsense with your bitchassness.. I did EXACTLY what any ADULT HERE should have done..check dat ass! now..if you are insulted..GOOD. NEXT TIME..ILL PLANT MY FOOT SO FAR UP YOUR ASS,YOU'LL NEED SURGERY TO REMOVE IT. PHUCKOUTTA HERE with that whining crap. stop being a bitch for these cats here..money dancing for them.. I can't STAND A NIGGA[IGNORANT BITCH]..and thats YOU. Stand up for yourself..free your mind..have some pride about yourself! BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE..! |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:06:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 16:29:26 2011. You're not really going to have a fair & thorough discussion about this with anyone on this board, including myself admittedlyThose are two distinct things. Interesting you admit that and normally I'd be kinda glad when someone says that in a debate, because then I know I'm not going to get anywhere, but you strike me as being genuinely curious now. Did I expect thorough? No. Fair? Not by all, but by some, at least. In any case, if you ask a legitimate question or pose a legitimate objection, it wouldn't be proper of me to ignore it owing to the inflammatory claims I am making. I didn't know about the relative success of the different races in Brazil at the time of that post and wasn't really implying such. It was in my set of links for evidence of my claims. Richard Lynn published a book titled The Global Bell Curve which contains IQ test results from all over the world and also shows that the racial hierarchy found here in the States is found the world over, and is the same the world over, you find an improvement in IQ scores and wealth and scholastic achievement going from Australian Aborigine/Black -> N. African/S. Asian/Native American/SE Asian/Latino/Pardo/Mulatto -> white -> E. Asian/Ashkenazi Jews no matter where you go. If this were due to environmental factors, why are they THE SAME all over the world? The cards fell the SAME way EVERY time? I was trying to imply that different environments in Brazil & Saharan Africa might be one of the reasons for difference in IQ between Blacks in Africa & Asians in Brazil. The interesting point here is that whatever environment in Brazil, all the different races were exposed to it. Japanese workers were brought in to Brazil to replace the freed black slaves. I'm not going to pretend that the environment is the same for EVERY race even in the same country, but the Japanese came over as poor farm workers and lived initially in squalor in conditions not much better than the black slaves, yet they are doing much better than blacks there today. The same story plays out about tons of immigrants is several countries in the world, such as whites in Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, S. Asians in Southern Africa, Chinese in SE Asia, and E. Asians and Jews here in the States. They all started out dirt broke, yet look at them today. You could look around for "non-intelligence factors", but only IQ makes sense as a consistent and thorough explanation for this. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 17:06:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:42:46 2011. THANK YOU...I LOVE YOU FOR THAT!THAT THE POINT I WAS DRIVING AT..AND YOU NAILED IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD! Its just that simple. Why harp about whats so different about us..why not embrace what the same? People who need to go the RACE ROUTE are INSECURE WITH THEMSELVES,and NEED to find a scapegoat. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 17:08:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 16:24:03 2011. So am I!What does that have to do with being a DEVIL? ANYONE can be! |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:12:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 17:06:34 2011. Why harp about whats so different about us..why not embrace what the same?People who need to go the RACE ROUTE are INSECURE WITH THEMSELVES,and NEED to find a scapegoat. Tell that to people (like teachers, school administrators) that get punished because the official policy is that everyone is the same. I'm certainly not saying race is the lens that we should look at life through, but just as it's foolish to contend that the sexes are the same in every last respect (but then, that doesn't stop certain women from filing a suit against Walmart), it's foolish to pretend that the races are identical in every respect and that race doesn't matter at all in the social sphere, when it clearly does. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:14:12 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 09:50:18 2011. you ripped into GP38Chris for saying that they are "Mexican", and now you call them "illegal". Shame on you. But typical. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:15:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:43:50 2011. LOL @ Osmosis Jones, again. Yes, everyone knows that blacks do extremely well in sprinting and sprint-based sports. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:15:55 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:14:12 2011. No you idiot, that was the 7-Eleven debate, the illegal immigrant debate was completely different. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:23:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:15:55 2011. Link?And yes, most of the day laborers in Farmingville are Mexican. Mexican consulate has an office out there for them to deal with their issues. That GP38Chris called them "Mexicans" is not bigoted or racist. That you attacked demonstrates once again that you seek race-based fights that allow you to call white people "bigots" and "racist". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:34:56 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:04:31 2011. white folks are prone to........... deceptive greedy behavioral habits..They have higher IQ's to pull it off? ;) murderous I think Jayman is talking about IQ averages among millions and millions of everyday people. Not the fact that there are criminals in every race, religion, and ethnic group. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 17:40:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:12:46 2011. You tell that to teachers and administrators. I come here to relax and have some spirited discussions. I'm not here to re-engineer the fabric of society. Your discussions may have a legitimate purpose in some venues but not so much, here! Thank you. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 17:47:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 16:58:09 2011. LOL @ this guy. If you don't like my posts then don't read them. Anybody with half a brain knows that average joe's in black neighborhoods, frequently fall victim to thug related crimes. Robbery, randomly jumped etc, I cannot believe you are defending this behavior.People on here think I'm a self hating black because I addressed this major issue in the black community? SMH. Its disappointing, many other black people feel the same way, and there certainly not self hating blacks. I honestly Don't know how someone who enjoys listening to Hip Hip & R & B/Soul Music, was HAPPY went Obama got elected solely because he was black, hates blacks or is a self hating black. Most known racists want to nothing to do with that. I have no reason to hate being black other than I probably won't be able to date/get with a blond white girl, lol. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:48:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:34:56 2011. Exactly! I knew we'd be in agreement again at some point! ;) |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:51:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 17:40:54 2011. The OTChat is heavily dominated by politics which is all about engineering society to one degree or another. I'm following that vein with actual factual information, which is quite often lacking.Truly sorry to spoil your nice, peaceful day. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:52:30 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:06:24 2011. but you strike me as being genuinely curious now.I wasn't ever genuinely curious, of course I want know why someone is saying my race is the dumbest on the planet on average, I can accept that it may be a fact, but it will add fuel to any racist's bonfire & may set us back especially in professional & educational are. It was in my set of links for evidence of my claims. Richard Lynn published a book titled The Global Bell Curve which contains IQ test results from all over the world and also shows that the racial hierarchy found here in the States is found the world over, and is the same the world over, you find an improvement in IQ scores and wealth and scholastic achievement going from Australian Aborigine/Black -> N. African/S. Asian/Native American/SE Asian/Latino/Pardo/Mulatto -> white -> E. Asian/Ashkenazi Jews no matter where you go. If this were due to environmental factors, why are they THE SAME all over the world? The cards fell the SAME way EVERY time? Based on the "Race and intelligence" Wikipedia article that I posted earlier, that's a huge question that not even scientists with PhD's can't agree upon. -"The concept of intelligence and the degree to which it is measurable is and has been a matter of discussion. Psychology, a psychology textbook by Schacter et al., argue that while there is a general consensus within western science about how to define intelligence, the concept of intelligence as something that can be unequivocably measured by a single figure is not universally accepted. A recurring criticism is that different societies value and promote different kinds of skills and that the concept of intelligence is therefore culturally variable and cannot be measured the same in different societies. Consequently, some critics argue, that proposed relationships to other variables are necessarily tentative." One of my personal theories is that the cooler climates White & Asians come from forced them to stay inside for longer periods of time & find other non-physical activities to entertain themselves with. The interesting point here is that whatever environment in Brazil, all the different races were exposed to it. Japanese workers were brought in to Brazil to replace the freed black slaves. I'm not going to pretend that the environment is the same for EVERY race even in the same country, but the Japanese came over as poor farm workers and lived initially in squalor in conditions not much better than the black slaves, yet they are doing much better than blacks there today. The same story plays out about tons of immigrants is several countries in the world, such as whites in Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, S. Asians in Southern Africa, Chinese in SE Asia, and E. Asians and Jews here in the States. They all started out dirt broke, yet look at them today. You could look around for "non-intelligence factors", but only IQ makes sense as a consistent and thorough explanation for this. Remember that Asians & Whites are the result of some of the original black humans that migrated from Africa to Europe & Asia & became they the race they are because of that migration & climate change. I'd imagine that when blacks were forced to migrate to other parts of the world it became hard for them to advance in those parts of the world since Whites and/or Asians were already in positions of power in those areas. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:53:05 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:52:30 2011. I wasn't ever genuinely curiousOops, I meant that say that I wasn't ever not genuinely curious. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:53:53 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:52:30 2011. I'd imagine that when blacks were forced to migrate to other parts of the world it became hard for them to advance in those parts of the world since Whites and/or Asians were already in positions of power in those areas.In addition to it being the first time, most, if not all of those blacks migrated to a new climate. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:55:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:48:00 2011. I'll convince you that marriage is a religious event/tradition usurped by the state, and we'll be in agreement once again.As for this IQ stuff, as an Italian-American, I'm sure that Germans and British rank higher than us and it doesn't offend me the slightest. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:56:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:23:37 2011. Link?You participated in both debates, one debate was the 7-Eleven debate & the other was about what should be done to illegal immigrants after they arrive in the country. And yes, most of the day laborers in Farmingville are Mexican. Mexican consulate has an office out there for them to deal with their issues. That GP38Chris called them "Mexicans" is not bigoted or racist. That you attacked demonstrates once again that you seek race-based fights that allow you to call white people "bigots" and "racist". Oh shut up, get a hobby stop, and trying to stir the pot up again for your little shits & giggles. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 18:00:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:56:15 2011. You participated in both debates, one debate was the 7-Eleven debate & the other was about what should be done to illegal immigrants after they arrive in the country.Since you brought it up, I figure a link is at the tip of your tongue. Oh shut up, get a hobby stop, and trying to stir the pot up again for your little shits & giggles. pwn3d? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 18:00:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:52:30 2011. White & Asians come from forced them to stay inside for longer periods of time & find other non-physical activities to entertain themselves with.You know, I'd actually like to see the difference in the amount of time that Black people spend outside compared to Whites & Asians. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 6 18:01:01 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 3 12:30:06 2011. Interesting choice of words there. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 18:21:28 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 17:47:15 2011. I have no reason to hate being black other than I probably won't be able to date/get with a blond white girl, lol.I know you're joking, but even thinking about that in anyway when trying to get with a "blond white girl" will almost assure that you won't get with her. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Apr 6 18:25:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Apr 4 20:10:35 2011. I agree, even worst I'm black, UGH!Why do these young black males continue to embrace the gang banging/thug stuff, I thought the seer fact that Obama became president, gee IDK, maybe young blacks would look up to the man and see that its possible to be successful in life and not be a rapper or a Athlete, but nooo, its the same old fucking shit. In NYC, these hood kids aren't that poor as you think they are, most of em have Cable, Computer, cell phones, game systems, brand name clothing etc, yet they continue to run their lifes into the ground. This is the last real issue holding back blacks, I'm so sick of this ghetto/hood mentality, we can't we just all get along and eat pork chops and kool aid? Damn. Its so frustrating man, why do young blacks have to act like this? why? Although I agree, how did you link this statement to what the OP is talking about? It's more than a black thing... |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 18:51:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:52:30 2011. I wasn't ever not genuinely curious.Well that's very good to know. :) I don't talk about this primarily to argue as I do to present facts, especially when I see that it's relevant. But if challenged, I will defend it. My primary goal is to inform, however. but it will add fuel to any racist's bonfire Yes, to some, and that happens because people take it to mean what some have here, that all blacks are dumb, criminals, and drug dealers/addicts (no one better quote that out of context) when that is definitely not what I am saying, only that group averages go one way or another. Individuals still need to be judged on merit. may set us back especially in professional & educational are. Not necessarily. While the facts about racial differences in intelligence does lend credence to the notion that affirmative action (mostly in the form of quotas) at schools and in the workplace should be eliminated, this is not necessarily a bad thing. Black students who, really, aren't cut out for top universities can do better at less prestigious but still good schools. Also, it suggests that it should no longer be illegal for firms to use cognitive tests to screen employees, because that is one of the best ways to assure a more competent workforce. Also, it would lift an enormous burden off educators and educational policy (hopefully with the elimination of NCLB, which is absolutely ridiculous), which would no longer obsess over closing a gap that can't be closed by schooling. And while charter and KIPP schools and the like are good because the give bright black students a chance to succeed, this does nothing to help the majority of black students, who, really, shouldn't be expected to succeed in the "white man's school." Instead, perhaps education for minorities can be set up to play to their strengths, giving them physical and trade skills for jobs where their proclivities would serve them well and hopefully steer them away from the gangs. >>>>If this were due to environmental factors, why are they THE SAME all over the world? The cards fell the SAME way EVERY time? Based on the "Race and intelligence" Wikipedia article that I posted earlier, that's a huge question that not even scientists with PhD's can't agree upon. It's mostly because they don't want to agree more than the evidence being lacking. Soon we will identify the individual genes involved in intelligence (we've already spotted some), and that will settle the debate once and for all. I already have my suspicions on where that is going fall... the concept of intelligence as something that can be unequivocably measured by a single figure is not universally accepted. g has emerged as a prominent measure of general intelligence, and its relevance to real world is demonstrated again and again. That being said, there are other average mental specialties that each race has, that evolved in response to the environment that they found themselves in. This is not incompatible with the notion that some races are more intelligent than others overall on average, and certainly doesn't invalidate the concept of intelligence or intelligence testing. Remember that Asians & Whites are the result of some of the original black humans that migrated from Africa to Europe & Asia & became they the race they are because of that migration & climate change. Yes. We are all descended from Africans (in our cases more recently). But today's human populations have been historically separated by tens of millennia, and each evolved differently, as populations often do when geographically isolated. The general thought is that when some of the latest batches of humans left Africa (there have been several waves of modern humans and earlier ancestors that left Africa), they encountered colder and harsher environments and evolved new traits like light skin (to maximize solar vitamin D production) and increased intelligence to cope with survival in winter, and increased cooperation/planning necessary to hunt big game. Later when agriculture was invented in the Middle East, it prompted further changes, as did the advent of civilization. I'd imagine that when blacks were forced to migrate to other parts of the world it became hard for them to advance in those parts of the world since Whites and/or Asians were already in positions of power in those areas. Not necessarily, because many of those countries, like Haiti, were majority or exclusively black. Certain traits that had already evolved in whites and Asians have yet to evolve in blacks. Today's blacks, if set off on a similar path to ancestral Eurasians, would eventually evolve higher intelligence as well, but there is no selective pressure today favoring increased intelligence and unlikely it will occur "naturally", owing to the comforts of modern society (greatly increasing the survivability of even the lowliest). |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 19:05:55 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:55:10 2011. Actually, Richard Lynn claims that there is an increase in intelligence in Italy as you go from south to north, and he suspect it's because southern Italians are more intermixed with North Africans (Arabs, Berbers, etc...) (where as northern Italy is more Germanic in descent like Germans and the English). But if this is true, it appears to be a small difference, perhaps smaller than the difference between the English and the Scottish/Irish. Mediterranean Europeans in general have slightly lower average IQ's than northern Europeans, and perhaps this is indeed due to admixture from North Africans from the south (particularly during the conquests of the Caliphate and subsequent waves of Muslim invasions). But even Sicilian Americans are doing fine (I'm not going to speculate how they climbed up the ladder :p), so again, any difference is likely to be small. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 19:06:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 18:51:25 2011. What you're saying - that genetic differences among races make some races more successful than others - is practically the definition of racism. Are you comfortable with that? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 19:12:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 19:05:55 2011. Actually, Richard Lynn claims that there is an increase in intelligence in Italy as you go from south to north,LOL. Well there you go. Makes sense. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 19:16:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 19:06:03 2011. You don't think genetic difference among races make some races more successful in sports than others? You can't be offended by someone pointing out why whites do better than blacks on IQ or even civil service tests, but celebrate the fact that blacks dominate many sports, largely due to genetic differences. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 19:21:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 19:06:03 2011. No it's not. I think I defined racism pretty well earlier. What is true is still true even if it seems to put certain races at a disadvantage (even though it doesn't as I'll come back to). Certain discoveries about race differences earlier on have been hijacked by racists to fuel their sinister causes. Ironically though, the Nazis banned IQ tests because Jews kept outscoring gentile Germans!In any case, even though I'm saying some races have been more successful largely due to genetic differences between them, disacknowledging the fact won't change the reality; blacks will continue to drop out in large numbers despite all the fruitless attempts to change it, and whites/E. Asians/Jews will continue to do well. Nature (in this case human nature) doesn't care about what we think or believe it will continue to be what it is regardless of what we want or think is acceptable (moralistic fallacy). Wouldn't it be better to acknowledge the facts and take a realistic approach to managing the situation? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 20:02:22 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 17:51:23 2011. Your sarcasm is as transparent as your motives for continually raising this issue. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 20:23:12 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 20:02:22 2011. Haha only my last comment was sarcastic and even then just barely. I certainly didn't intend to stir up emotions and pick fights, I would much rather civil discussion. However if I have to ruffle some feathers to get people to change their way of thinking in light of new ideas that they might impulsively reject (as is often necessary to do) -- especially in relevant discussion -- then so be it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 6 20:30:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:55:10 2011. I'll convince you that marriage is a religious event/tradition usurped by the state, and we'll be in agreement once again.You won't convince him because he will only believe something that is true. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:34:48 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 19:21:35 2011. No, that was/is not the definition of racism. That is your definition. You can find the real definition of racism online from numerous sources. Here are a few:wikipedia - Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1][2][3] dictionary.com- a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. Webster - : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race You can obviously do what you want, but as this is an emerging field of sorts, and conclusions are not yet finalized I don't know what your rush is to lecture everyone on the latest HBD theories. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:41:26 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 19:16:06 2011. West Africans and their descendants tend to be relatively fast on average, but "West Africa" isn't a race. East Africans are good at distance and I don't know what central Africans are good at, but it doesn't seem race based. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:45:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 17:55:10 2011. Italy |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 6 20:58:55 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 19:21:35 2011. I think I defined racism pretty well earlierYou didn't actually, but keep on thinking so. |
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