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Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 18:51:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 17:52:30 2011. I wasn't ever not genuinely curious.Well that's very good to know. :) I don't talk about this primarily to argue as I do to present facts, especially when I see that it's relevant. But if challenged, I will defend it. My primary goal is to inform, however. but it will add fuel to any racist's bonfire Yes, to some, and that happens because people take it to mean what some have here, that all blacks are dumb, criminals, and drug dealers/addicts (no one better quote that out of context) when that is definitely not what I am saying, only that group averages go one way or another. Individuals still need to be judged on merit. may set us back especially in professional & educational are. Not necessarily. While the facts about racial differences in intelligence does lend credence to the notion that affirmative action (mostly in the form of quotas) at schools and in the workplace should be eliminated, this is not necessarily a bad thing. Black students who, really, aren't cut out for top universities can do better at less prestigious but still good schools. Also, it suggests that it should no longer be illegal for firms to use cognitive tests to screen employees, because that is one of the best ways to assure a more competent workforce. Also, it would lift an enormous burden off educators and educational policy (hopefully with the elimination of NCLB, which is absolutely ridiculous), which would no longer obsess over closing a gap that can't be closed by schooling. And while charter and KIPP schools and the like are good because the give bright black students a chance to succeed, this does nothing to help the majority of black students, who, really, shouldn't be expected to succeed in the "white man's school." Instead, perhaps education for minorities can be set up to play to their strengths, giving them physical and trade skills for jobs where their proclivities would serve them well and hopefully steer them away from the gangs. >>>>If this were due to environmental factors, why are they THE SAME all over the world? The cards fell the SAME way EVERY time? Based on the "Race and intelligence" Wikipedia article that I posted earlier, that's a huge question that not even scientists with PhD's can't agree upon. It's mostly because they don't want to agree more than the evidence being lacking. Soon we will identify the individual genes involved in intelligence (we've already spotted some), and that will settle the debate once and for all. I already have my suspicions on where that is going fall... the concept of intelligence as something that can be unequivocably measured by a single figure is not universally accepted. g has emerged as a prominent measure of general intelligence, and its relevance to real world is demonstrated again and again. That being said, there are other average mental specialties that each race has, that evolved in response to the environment that they found themselves in. This is not incompatible with the notion that some races are more intelligent than others overall on average, and certainly doesn't invalidate the concept of intelligence or intelligence testing. Remember that Asians & Whites are the result of some of the original black humans that migrated from Africa to Europe & Asia & became they the race they are because of that migration & climate change. Yes. We are all descended from Africans (in our cases more recently). But today's human populations have been historically separated by tens of millennia, and each evolved differently, as populations often do when geographically isolated. The general thought is that when some of the latest batches of humans left Africa (there have been several waves of modern humans and earlier ancestors that left Africa), they encountered colder and harsher environments and evolved new traits like light skin (to maximize solar vitamin D production) and increased intelligence to cope with survival in winter, and increased cooperation/planning necessary to hunt big game. Later when agriculture was invented in the Middle East, it prompted further changes, as did the advent of civilization. I'd imagine that when blacks were forced to migrate to other parts of the world it became hard for them to advance in those parts of the world since Whites and/or Asians were already in positions of power in those areas. Not necessarily, because many of those countries, like Haiti, were majority or exclusively black. Certain traits that had already evolved in whites and Asians have yet to evolve in blacks. Today's blacks, if set off on a similar path to ancestral Eurasians, would eventually evolve higher intelligence as well, but there is no selective pressure today favoring increased intelligence and unlikely it will occur "naturally", owing to the comforts of modern society (greatly increasing the survivability of even the lowliest). |
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