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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:15:12 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:08:00 2011. I don't think it should have. Not by a long shot.It shouldn't have if he posted a link to a credible source. Still, you did nothing to stifle the disgusting statements coming from the people calling several of us racists. I thought the same way too, and still somewhat think the same way about JayMan and you for defending JayMan's statement, but not Spider-Pig anymore. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 18:17:09 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:48:32 2011. I agree with all the facts. The facts about racial differences (empirical claim) do not say anything either way about discrimination (moral claim). That's up to us to decide, and you've seen my position on that. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 18:19:38 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:18:53 2011. Very excellently explained! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:27:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:14:15 2011. But why would that post make you think that? And why would you continue thinking that?? He's shown beyond any doubt that he has sources for all his statements and he conducts himself in an utmost respectable manner. So....? And you would believe Train Dude, Railman718, and Edwards! over JayMan?!?! Wow.Those guys provided real answers to R33/R36 Mainline's original post, while JayMan simply posted statistics (that could reinforce stereotypes in a racist's mind, although I'm aware that wasn't his intention), then seemingly made an attempt to smear black people by saying that they have smaller brains & therefore less mental capacity on average without actually citing a source. If I had to take a wild guess on which of the two parties actually cared more about the advancement of black people based on that, I'd say the Train Dude, Railman718, and Edwards! party does, and I'm pretty sure you do too despite the differences. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:29:21 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:14:15 2011. Huh?You don't even know if they read JayMan's post a month ago, but you're incorrectly still saying that I'm wrong. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:31:01 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 18:17:09 2011. Maybe I should reword that, I meant to say any stereotypes the statistics may reinforce. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 18:34:07 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:47:18 2011. I have shown you evidence. Here it is again.Here is Rushton's and Jensen's paper that describes it in detail: Race and IQ: A Theory-Based Review of the Research in Richard Nisbett’s Intelligence and How to Get It |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 18:38:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:03:14 2011. The less g-loaded tests like verbal tests or the WISC do measure knowledge (since knowledge is correlated with g), but purer g-loaded tests like the RPM I showed you are designed to measure abstract reasoning, and are most applicable when discussing racial differences. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:39:07 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 18:34:07 2011. You're correct, but the PDF file says that there are flaws in the theory. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 19:23:43 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:31:01 2011. Even stereotype isn't really a good word because stereotypes are stereotypes because they have a statistical basis quite a lot of the time. If someone has the stereotype that blacks are poorer, more ignorant, more violent, more drug addicted and more likely to be on welfare, these are not just stereotypes, these are, on average, true. Does that mean that that applies to every last black person? No, no more than every last Jew is a doctor or a lawyer or that every last Asian is a bad driver. But the stereotypes developed because there is a statistical disparity in the rates between groups. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 19:28:40 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:39:07 2011. What are referring to specifically? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 19:47:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 19:23:43 2011. Black stereotypes are worst than stereotypes for other races, and I think that instead of dwelling on them like you are, we focus on the positive & start to improve our image from there. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Apr 5 19:48:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 4 21:30:37 2011. Fred G. (for Gullible): Here's what you should do: |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 19:49:04 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 19:28:40 2011. The section that mention's Albert Einstein's brain. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 5 20:07:48 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Apr 5 19:48:34 2011. Heh heh . . . |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Apr 5 20:11:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 5 20:07:48 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 5 20:14:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 10:52:40 2011. Don't care about them either way.They are not the greatest ever in their sports like Woods or Jordan are though so it doesn't matter as much. The greatest female players ever are Navratilova, Evert, Billie Jean King and Steffi Graf. The Jackie Robinson of women's tennis is Althea Gibson anyway and Serena or Venus Williams are no Althea Gibson. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 20:21:16 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:03:14 2011. Here is an example of an IQ test question (from Wikipedia): No outside knowledge necessary. Not even the ability to read. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 20:23:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:59:29 2011. Yeah, but that's different and the analogy breaks down when you consider that. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 20:52:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 10:52:40 2011. By the way and before anyone corrects me, I know that it's Serena and not Sabrina. I don't know how I made that mistake. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:53:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 5 01:30:43 2011. I disagree. He's posting facts, not "feelings". Also believing that racial characteristics tend to make one race superior (or inversely inferior) to another is the definition of racism. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:55:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 09:43:04 2011. He's already said as much in other threads in pretty much those same words. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 20:56:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 13:26:03 2011. None taken, I can assure you. TS has long ago come to terms with what he really is. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:58:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 10:55:05 2011. Why do I get the sense that you are frequently wrong and easily confused? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 20:58:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:55:50 2011. He may be the brightest bulb in the box but the brightest bulb doesn't need to tell everyone how bright it is. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:59:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 5 11:17:17 2011. Yeah, fuck you too. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 21:00:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 5 11:20:58 2011. Not much else to say. Shows what type of person he is for sure. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 5 21:03:41 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 20:56:52 2011. TS has long ago come to terms with what he really isIf he did, then he'd try to change. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 21:04:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 15:22:31 2011. I have no idea what you're talking about. If there was beef between us before now I never noticed. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 21:05:40 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 19:49:04 2011. Please quote the passage. I can't respond intelligently unless I know the actual claim you're making. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 21:07:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:55:50 2011. Well that, I suppose, is a way at looking at bell curves, albeit rather obliquely. |
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Posted by Orion In Chains on Tue Apr 5 21:08:33 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 21:05:40 2011. testing.. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 5 21:11:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 10:55:05 2011. Holy crap! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 21:16:27 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 5 21:03:41 2011. Unless he likes being a malcontent prick. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 21:18:18 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 20:58:37 2011. He brings up race and IQ incessantly. I could speculate on the reasons, but I'd rather not. There's obviously something going on in his head and I wish him luck working through whatever it is. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 5 21:21:06 2011, in response to Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 3 03:59:53 2011. Is this the Why Does Everything Suck board? I initiate perfectly good threads about a variety of subjects such as the dangers of flight, fraudulent college athletic programs like Boise State football and Gonzaga basketball, and Profile America pieces yet those are ignored by and large. My contributions to this site deserve better and demand better. The apathy is endemic or pandemic whichever one means widespread and is utterly reprehensible. Thanks again for your time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 21:23:21 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 5 21:21:06 2011. Good post. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 5 21:25:31 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 5 21:21:06 2011. It's because this board sucks, per se.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 5 21:36:43 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 21:18:18 2011. I wonder what a conversation between him and Peter Rosa about race, IQ, Alpha males and scoring would be like. |
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Posted by FWT9000 on Tue Apr 5 21:37:35 2011, in response to Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 3 03:59:53 2011. If you believe it does then check this outhttp://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1103PSIEOAVD/6PSIM409/PR |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 21:52:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 20:55:50 2011. Actually, recognition of race differences in intelligence has real consequences, having enormous implications for social policy, as I said here:You'll see me talk about race a lot, while ardently combating racism. I talk about race and race differences because it does explain a lot of the issues with society, and heavily impacts policy, from the obvious things like immigration and to education, to less obvious segments like taxation, poverty—both on a national and global scale, health care, socialism, perhaps even the financial meltdown. Race does matter. Where political and social commentators make their mistake—particularly conservatives—is that you criticize ills suffered by darker people and act as if the fact that they are darker people has nothing to do with the problem (because to suggest so [would] be so racist). Unfortunately that's not productive. One big one is education. Teachers are the constant victims of blame for failing to narrow the achievement gap, which is the gap in score between black and brown people vs whites and E. Asians, a gap, which in reality, is no fault of anyone involved, and cannot be narrowed in the foreseeable future. But we continue to focus our educational policy all around the gap—literally all around it, and inflict all manner of misery on society: How to fix America's worst schools - CSMonitor.com Here's a little insight of what it is like on the inside of public policy on this matter: http://www.nas.org/polArticles.cfm?doc_id=1310 The matter of cognitive ability, particularly the disparity in such, is a huge issue in country that will soon be majority colored. It affects many aspects of society from where people choose to live, how much taxes people pay, how much government spends and to where our political debate lies (as I'll explain in more detail later, I suspect that one reason American politics is so far to the right vis-a-vis the other developed countries in the world is because we have a large segment of black and brown people). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 5 22:00:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 21:52:50 2011. everyone is picking on you tonight.if you explained the biological or evolutionary reasons why blacks dominate sprint-based sports like sprinting and basketball, no one would give a fuck. people like to pick and choose what offends them, and the IQ stuff offends, but a discussion about the success of blacks in sprinting won't. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 22:03:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 5 21:36:43 2011. LOL I've already commented on some of Pete's posts about alpha males and discussed race, gender, and IQ with him (I'm not going to search for them).I talk about race and IQ a lot because, as something that I've studied in depth only recently I'm incredibly fascinated by the concept, as it elegantly explains some otherwise intractable facts, and it has huge implications for social policy. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 22:05:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 21:52:50 2011. I know, but the volume of your posts on the subject is just too much. IQ while an important indicator of success, is not the only indicator and there's no reason I can think of to harp on it here on off topic the way that you do.Also as seen in this thread it's a sensitive topic and imo you approach it too clinically and dispassionately without any regard for the way that it may be interpreted. People are going to be offended and even worse. Hopefully impressionable younger black kids aren't reading your posts. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 22:09:04 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 22:05:45 2011. Very well said. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 5 22:10:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 5 01:04:47 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 5 22:19:33 2011, in response to Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 3 03:59:53 2011. See what you did?You just made everything suck even more. (it was my turn to pile on you) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 22:21:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 5 21:21:06 2011. Great post. Good shooting.Coincidentally there's a very important soccer match on tv between Real Salt Lake and Saprissa. We should start a match thread. Just now a player threw a ball into the field and it hit someone in the head and he's rolling on the ground like a girl. Oh and someone else just fell down. Still zero-zero. Don't miss it! You can feel the energy building. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 5 22:22:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 5 21:11:57 2011. This is one of the worst threads ever. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 5 22:22:55 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 5 21:25:31 2011. I thought EVERYTHING sucked. |
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