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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:17:36 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 22:15:03 2011. You know, if they objected to a black bookstore opening up, I'd say "yeah, buncha racists" but the idea of opposing a new nightclub is really NIMBY.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 28 22:20:25 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:06:56 2011. I guess it's bound for Jersey. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 22:22:10 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 22:15:03 2011. Bullshit. I gave you a music genre that would upset locals. You ignore because I am right.There are always problems with Manhattan residents and rowdy bars. They even come out with an annual list of noisy bars. When WWE owner Vince McMahon owned the Cape Cod Arena he brought in rock acts like Blondie and he had to go to court because a group of residents and hotel owners were making life hard. Neighbors vs. music venues and clubs is nothing new. I'm not sure why you think it is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:44:36 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 28 21:51:29 2011. Flatbush Ave is not commercial? It's supposed to be on the corner of Flatbush Ave. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:47:03 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 28 21:51:29 2011. ????????????????????????????THIS is not "commercial" to you????? View Larger Map |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:48:07 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:47:03 2011. Yeah I always think "Main Drag = Commercial"your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:50:01 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:15:43 2011. But a Rock Club will attract a much older crowd. Do you see who shows up for Rock Concerts nowadays? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:52:07 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:10:51 2011. People with money buy real estate with the expectation that their neighborhood wont change.You mean minotities movie in? Say it ain't so about the "tolerant" White Elitist Democrats of Park Slope! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:53:32 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 28 21:50:58 2011. I don't see how conservatives would be any more welcoming, however. The residents were there first, not the club.Never said they would be. But remember, they aren't the ones making the claims of how "tolerant" they are of minorities. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:54:09 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:50:01 2011. I'm not talking Classic Rock tho, but a club featuring rock as opposed to hip hop or blues. Loud music with no regard to age of band or audience.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:55:35 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:17:36 2011. Park Slope is party central with bars everywhere. Whole lines of them actually! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 28 22:55:54 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:44:36 2011. That stretch is only light commercial, and was never intended to have anything as busy as a club there. If I lived there, I would oppose it too...even if the police precinct is just a stone's throw away (the 78th is at 6th and Bergen).Also, think about the traffic that it will generate in a residential neighborhood already hurting for parking spaces. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 28 22:56:45 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 20:51:45 2011. Don't forget having a black friend. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:58:57 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:52:07 2011. No I meant that in terms of a nightclub opening, or a Walmart.Like I said in another post, if all this objection was for a black bookstore, then I'd see an argument for racism. But nobody wants a nightclub in their neighborhood. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:00:11 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:50:01 2011. Not the GWAR, Tantric, Seether, Papa Roach, Disturbed crowds. They are not really older. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:01:16 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:54:09 2011. Rock falls to historic low on annual singles chart |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 28 23:01:52 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:00:11 2011. Is this rock? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:02:28 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:58:57 2011. But nobody wants a nightclub in their neighborhood.You mean in a neighborhood that is already infested with bars (and I think it's supposed to be a "sports bar", not a "nightclub"). |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:03:28 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:01:16 2011. I'll keep that in mind when we talk about a new nightclub opening in London, but as far as NYC goes there are still clubs catering to the rock crowd. New bands not the classic rock stuff.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:04:15 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:00:11 2011. Disturbed, Papa Roach, Seether, etc is from the 90's. I listed to them in my 20's. The 90's is now going on 15-20 years ago. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 28 23:06:01 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 28 19:50:10 2011. There's a nightclub/bar three doors down. Almost every week there's some shouting match. I wouldn't define the clientele as "upscale". |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:06:14 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 28 23:01:52 2011. Looks like a smattering of everything.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:08:36 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:03:28 2011. How many rock stations are in the NYC area? On Long Island we have NONE. We have 104.3 (classic), 102.3 (classic), and 103.9 (classic). We get 99.1 which is a semi Classic and 90's Rock station from Connecticut, but that doesn't count, as it's from Connecticut, and doesn't make it into the City.NYC has 104.3 (classic), 101.9 which is somewhat a rock station I guess, but plays a lot of classic stuff, and 92.3 plays ustin Timerlake type of stuff. Thank God for Satelite Radio, as I gave up on FM radio once 92.3 KRock went down, it was the last Rock station in NYC. 101.9 "tried" to fill the void. So again. How many Rock stations are in NYC? Compare that to other genres of music in NYC stations. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:09:49 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:02:28 2011. Exactly, and the funny part is that there's already a nightclub right next door to where this new club is going to be, and you guessed it, it's frequented by white people. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:10:48 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:02:28 2011. From the article:...Monday night to protest a liquor license for Prime 6 NYC, a live music venue and sports bar... your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:12:37 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:04:15 2011. In your 20's the major bands were Nirvana and Pearl Jam. The bands I mentioned reached prominence later in the decade or around 2000 and are still popular today. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:13:52 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:09:49 2011. I assume it's this building with the "Available" sign on it? If so, there is already a bar just two doors away:View Larger Map |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:15:23 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 22:17:36 2011. In this case, it's purely more than NIMBY, residents are obviously protesting this specific for a deeper, harsher reason than "hoops & hip hop". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:16:13 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:13:52 2011. Just spinning around, there's also THREE bars across the street, and that's just from spinning around, not even moving the position! |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:16:14 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:08:36 2011. I can't believe that you think that clubs only reflect music played on the radio. I'm talking guys and girls who practice in a garage and show up on friday night at a club to play and you're throwing corporate radio stats out there. Dude these are young people who spread their stuff over facebook and myspace pages and most likely own their own production companies. This is not old school AOR stuff. And they play in clubs.You really think that because there's limited radio coverage that rock music is dead? Not even close and that's not even bringing up college radio stations. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:17:05 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:12:37 2011. And other bands have taken their places. Music doesn't stand still.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:17:08 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:09:49 2011. Did you know that it's racist to give a n/b 6 train a skip between 86th Street and 125th Street?What is the name of the neighboring night club? And be more specific than "white people". What genre do they target? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:18:51 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 22:22:10 2011. What are you talking about? I did respond to your post. There are plenty of bars/clubs in Park Slope geared towards the rock crowd with drunk white people stumbling out of them all night, so why does this bar stand out to them so much?When WWE owner Vince McMahon owned the Cape Cod Arena he brought in rock acts like Blondie and he had to go to court because a group of residents and hotel owners were making life hard. Neighbors vs. music venues and clubs is nothing new. I'm not sure why you think it is. Don't know about Cape Cod, but it doesn't seem like it has the nightlife Park Slope has outside of the summer. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:19:47 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:15:23 2011. Can you prove that or is it just your own bigotry?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:19:52 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:17:05 2011. actually, many feel that the music industry is too slow at times to create stars. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:20:26 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:13:52 2011. Yes it is, as you can see, there are plenty of bars around there with plenty of drunk people already stumbling out of them at night acting rowdy, it's absolutely ridiculous that now they want to act like they're gonna take a stand. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:21:33 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:12:37 2011. Nirvana and Pearl Jam were big in my late teens and early 20's. Papa ROach, Seether, Disturbed etc was popular in the late 90's/early 2000's. It's 2011. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:22:03 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:19:52 2011. IMO it's in a state of flux right now because the production tools are in everyone's hands now, so we don't see "stars" but more "local celebs". But eventually the locals become regional and then nationwide and there's your star.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:22:22 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:08:36 2011. That's because the demographics of NYC can't support a radio station that plays Seether, Papa Roach, GWAR, and Metallica. Especially Long Island.NY in general needs KTU, Salsa, and lots of Talk(Sports and Politics). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:23:16 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 23:18:51 2011. Have there been any shootings or stabbings there lately? What is the name of this club/bar? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:25:09 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:17:08 2011. I don't know what you are asking, but I used to hang out along 2nd Ave up there all the time between 86th St and 96th St. There were (and I assume still are) bars all along that stretch too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:29:27 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:25:09 2011. I am mocking Osmosis. I worked with a motorman who said it's racist to give a 6 train a skip between those stops because it's not fair to minorities. This motorman saw racism behind every subway column, much like Osmosis. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:31:00 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:22:22 2011. That's because the demographics of NYC can't support a radio station that plays Seether, Papa Roach, GWAR, and Metallica. Especially Long Island.Long Island has more than NYC. But it's all Classic Rock. Our "rockiest" station On Long Island is 99.1, and we just get that because it flows across the Sound. All the commercials are about what's going on on Friday Night in "Hartford". We DO have WBAB 102.3, which is acceptable if I still listened to FM regularly, but it's all Classic Rock, and so is 103.9 WRCN. We don't even have a station that plays 90's Music anymore. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:33:09 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:21:33 2011. Papa Roach and Seether and Disturbed are still popular. They are on playlists on Modern Rock stations all over America in the year 2011. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 28 23:35:08 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:22:03 2011. Yuck. 16-track analog master tape pwnz. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 23:35:26 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:33:09 2011. I wouldn't know because we no longer have "Modern Rock" Stations in the NY area. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 28 23:38:10 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 28 23:00:11 2011. Papa Roach ripped off Iron Maiden. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:38:21 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 28 23:35:08 2011. I dunno. That could take the garage out of garage bands.you think these guys used 16 track? :P Somebody did a really good job of synching the studio sound track with the live footage. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 28 23:40:21 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:38:21 2011. I agree, but I was comparing supposedly superior with the true acme. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 28 23:44:08 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 28 23:40:21 2011. In terms of pure quality I agree but I think everyone is willing to compromise for universal availability. Kind of like earlier digital photography, where we all knew that film was a cleaner image but it wasn't that much cleaner enough to forego the wonderful PC darkroom we suddenly found ourselves with.your pal, Fred |
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