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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 12:47:23 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 12:40:44 2010. LOL. The settlements are illegal. Please cite the part of international law that makes them legal. Here's one that makes them illegal: Article 49 of the Geneva Convention: "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies." It really doesn't get clearer than that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 12:49:11 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 12:37:27 2010. The propaganda thing is starting to get old. Our newsmedia pisses all over yours when it comes to objectivityLOL . . . you mean in the EU, where the journalists are very worried about press freedom being restricted?? The "propaganda thing" is very much alive, and you're hip-deep in it. Try being a journalist in the EU nowadays; I feel very bad for those that want to be truly objective over there. Bush not a neocon? If he wasn't, he surely knew how to hide it well, and he surely was under an awful lot of neocon influence Take off the tinfoil hat. Do you also believe that the CIA was trying to undermine the EU, by any chance? That's what they were telling the Irish during the Lisbon Treaty vote that they were forced to redo. There's no denying that the neocons, while not originally Republicans, have a major influence on the GOP, and are most certainly in bed with them No, there is denying. Bush is a center-left liberal, and his actions point that way. The EU has used "neocons" as their bogeyman throughout the 2000s decade, while real Nazis and Fascists are entering the mainstream of politics in the EU continuously. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 12:54:47 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 12:47:23 2010. The settlements are illegal. Please cite the part of international law that makes them legalYou're the one who brought them up, so you cite the clause of so-called "international law" that makes them illegal. FWICS, the only thing that international law and the Geneva Convention seek to achieve is to stop the displacement of people that already live in the area. Settlements do not violate that at all. Article 49 of the Geneva Convention: "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies." Settling is not deportation. And Israel is not an occupied territory; it is a sovereign state. The imperialistic "Palestinians" (whose name is contrived) are the ones claiming occupation. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:30:50 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 12:49:11 2010. "The "propaganda thing" is very much alive, and you're hip-deep in it. Try being a journalist in the EU nowadays; I feel very bad for those that want to be truly objective over there."Hyperbole much? Pretty much everybody in Europe agrees that Berlusconi is a criminal, except for the Italians themselves who keep voting for him. And I'm not talking about the Bulgarian media, i'm talking about OUR media, as in the Belgian media. And guess what? Looking at the very press freedom index you use, it seems we're actually ranked HIGHER on the list than the U.S. As are most other EU countries, BTW. Oops? And I'm not even talking about journalistic freedom, but about OBJECTIVITY. In the U.S., the owners' political stance has taken over from journalistic intergrity, resulting in news organisations that spew nothing but propaganda. "Bush is a center-left liberal" Now I know you're certifiable... |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:36:36 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 12:54:47 2010. "Settling is not deportation"You missed the 'or' part. I'll quote it again for you: "The occupying power shall not deport OR TRANSFER parts of its own population into the territories it occupies." Or transfer. Read that? Building settlements for Israelis to live, outside of Israel's borders, is effectively transferring part of the population. ergo, they're in clear violation. "And Israel is not an occupied territory; it is a sovereign state." Who said anything about Israel being an 'occupied territory'? The West Bank and gaza Strip, however, ARE occupied territories. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 13:50:19 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:30:50 2010. I'm not talking about the Bulgarian media, i'm talking about OUR media, as in the Belgian mediaYou mean that's the Belgian media that got you into that propagandized state you're in? Wow. Pretty much everybody in Europe agrees that Berlusconi is a criminal, except for the Italians themselves who keep voting for him He hasn't been ejected from the EPP yet, though. Looking at the very press freedom index you use, it seems we're actually ranked HIGHER on the list than the U.S. As are most other EU countries, BTW RWB certainly isn't perfect. They're basing their stance on the fact that the US military arrested journalists, without looking at the activities of the journalists in question. Journalists aren't inviolable, even if freedom of the press is, and sometimes journalists fight against press freedom. And none of what happens in the EU happens in the USA. The police doesn't do anything of what happens to EU journalists. The point is that EU press freedom is on its way down. You've got Berlusconi influencing the highest echelons; EU law has supremacy over national law. Now I know you're certifiable You're not good at judging on actions, are you? Bush is a center-left liberal. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 13:52:17 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:36:36 2010. Who said anything about Israel being an 'occupied territory'?You quoted the Geneva Conventions, so you did. You called Israel an "occupying power" as such. The West Bank and gaza Strip, however, ARE occupied territories So you're saying that they're occupied by the Palestinians, then. Which is it? |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:54:33 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 13:50:19 2010. "RWB certainly isn't perfect."We need emoticons on here. The 'rolling on the floor laughing' one would do just nicely here. You really are unbelievable: when you think it confirms your extremist stance, their report is good enough for you to be used as a source. When its facts work against it, they're suddenly no longer reliable. Your cherrypicking tactics are completely ridiculous. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:55:49 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 13:52:17 2010. "You called Israel an "occupying power" as such."Do I really need to explain the difference between 'occupied' and 'occupying'? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 13:59:53 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:55:49 2010. There's no difference. An occupying power has occupied. Israel is not and did not. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:02:14 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 13:54:33 2010. Back to rhetoric, I see. I wasn't citing RWB as "perfect" prior to my saying they were not so, but as pointing out that press freedom is on the way down in the EU. Their using double standards for the USA does not invalidate the facts they brought to light about the EU.Why not try actual debate? You were doing well when you caught my gaffe between Belien and his wife. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:04:40 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 13:59:53 2010. "An occupying power has occupied"No, it still does. Israel occupies both Gaza and the West bank. But, since basic English is obviously beyond you, allow me to explain the difference between 'occupying' and 'occupied': 'occupying force' = the one who occupies. In this case, Israel. 'occupied' = the ones who ARE occupied. In this case, Gaza and the West Bank. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:08:14 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:02:14 2010. "Why not try actual debate?"You're one to speak! No use when the one I'm debating simply chooses what is and isn't reliable based on what he agrees and doesn't agree with, and when the SAME source CAN be used to attack the EU, but CAN'T when it comes to the US. What a hypocrite you are. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:13:46 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:04:40 2010. Israel occupies both Gaza and the West bankYou have a hard time distinguishing between Israel and the "Palestinians". Israel moved out of Gaza five years ago. The West Bank was supposed to be divided between Israel and the "Palestinians" according to the Oslo Accords, and nothing Israel has done can be construed as "occupation" there. As for the other rhetoric, you keep digging your own grave. Look up the phrase "argumentum ad hominem". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:18:36 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:08:14 2010. You're one to speakAm I? You get all bent out of shape when anything you claim is challenged. No use when the one I'm debating simply chooses what is and isn't reliable based on what he agrees and doesn't agree with, and when the SAME source CAN be used to attack the EU, but CAN'T when it comes to the US Well, you cite absolutely nothing. And I'm not cherrypicking anything; if RWB is using a double standard, they're using a double standard, but that doesn't invalidate the facts they cite, and the EU Observer article stuck with those as they related to the EU. Not my fault if you don't like certain facts; you certainly liked it when RWB cited favorable stats for EU member states, not that those matter when the EU is starting to exert supremacy over the press in those member states. And what's your paranoia about "attack(ing) the EU"? Is the EU sacred and inviolable? If neither the US nor Israel are, then the EU is just as open. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:23:20 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:13:46 2010. You're right on Gaza, got carried away there. The West bank, however, is a completely different story. To try and claim that Israel is not an occupying power, and that that somehow means the ISRAELI settlements thereare legal, is simply being dishonest. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:24:18 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:23:20 2010. Why is it being dishonest? They aren't an occupying power. No territories were forcibly taken from the Palestinian Authority. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:24:55 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:18:36 2010. Spare me the extremist rhetoric man, I've pretty much had it with you. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:25:29 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:24:18 2010. "They aren't an occupying power"We disagree. Signed, Everyone. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:34:26 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:25:29 2010. OK, fine. You want to hold with your lie, you're free to do so. I'll stick with reality and the truth. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:34:56 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:24:55 2010. What "extremist rhetoric"? You've spouted enough of that yourself. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 10 14:39:28 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:23:20 2010. How can you be an occupying power in your own country? The West Bank is part of Israel, period. Who started the Six Day War and then lost land to Israel, who? There was never a country called Palestine anyway. it was land ruled be the Jews in Biblical times but in modern times was ruled by Turkey then Britain, a land where Jews and Arabs coexisted for years until the partition by the U.N. when the Arabs immediately went to war with Israel. Telling the settlers they have to leave the West Bank is akin to the nazis telling the Jews they have to leave certain sections of Warsaw and move into a ghetto.The only reason the Israelis even are negotiating is because they are willing to compromise for peace, something the Arabs will never do. And just for the record, lest you call me bigoted, I am for the Ground Zero Mosque, but when it comes to Israel I'm not into revisionist history. The only |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:40:22 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:34:26 2010. "I'll stick with reality and the truth."No, you'll stick with what you've convinced yourself is 'reality' and 'truth'. A 'reality' and 'truth' almost the entire world agrees is neither. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:43:14 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:40:22 2010. Haha, still sticking with the "almost the entire world" BS line. A perceived majority believing a lie does not invalidate the truth, sorry. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:43:48 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 10 14:39:28 2010. They don't teach history like that in the European Union. They love revisionism. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:44:36 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 10 14:39:28 2010. "The West Bank is part of Israel, period."No it isn't. Please show me where Israel annexed the West Bank, and when it got international recognition. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:45:31 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:43:14 2010. It's not a 'perceived' majority. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:47:08 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:45:31 2010. Of course it's perceived. Even if it weren't, they can't turn a lie into the truth. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:47:57 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 14:44:36 2010. There you go with that "international" thing again. There's no international government that gets to approve what sovereign countries do or don't do, especially when they weren't doing what is claimed herein. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 15:05:45 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:47:57 2010. That wasn't the question. Please show where Israel annexed the West bank. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 15:07:38 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 15:05:45 2010. That's what I asked you. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 15:14:31 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 15:07:38 2010. I can't. Because they didn't. Hence, since the est Bank isn't Israel, the ISRAELI settlements there are illegal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 10 16:30:33 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:47:57 2010. Heh. Want to tell that to China or Japan about our debt? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Sep 10 17:07:26 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:47:08 2010. You're aruging with an idiot who claims there's no publically financed muslim schools in MN and 24 hours later the cities Newspaper does a very long story debunking him.I'm tired of morons cutting and pasting made up UN facts who has no understanding of what the UN even is or how it works. For the next bonebrain who complains about Jews living in apartments in a jewish neighborhood, I want to know why there's not the same issue international outcry with black muslims moving jewish neighborhoods in the US. Have him quote me the UN resolution written by Sudan and Libya. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Fri Sep 10 17:25:37 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Sep 10 17:07:26 2010. "You're aruging with an idiot who claims there's no publically financed muslim schools in MN and 24 hours later the cities Newspaper does a very long story debunking him."I did what now? You've got the wrong person, dipshit. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 03:29:24 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 10 14:02:14 2010. Why not try actual debate?He should debate with someone who denies the Bosnian genocide? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 12 03:30:35 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 03:29:24 2010. Those are the best ones to debate with, especially when you can't bring any evidence for said "genocide". |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sun Sep 12 05:26:48 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 03:29:24 2010. He's a negationist? Wow. I had figured out he was a bit screwed up, but I had no idea he was THAT much of an extremist... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 15:56:35 2010, in response to Re: Time: those darned Jews care too much about money to pursue peace, posted by Scorpio7 on Sun Sep 12 05:26:48 2010. A bit? :) |
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