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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 01:14:12 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 4 23:46:11 2008. Look at how close the popular vote is. Still 3%. But when California is counted, it should widen. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 5 01:16:45 2008, in response to Re: McCain concedes, posted by R PansePCC on Tue Nov 4 23:40:26 2008. I agree completely with you. I am a big McCain fan. This just wasn't his time. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Nov 5 01:20:05 2008, in response to Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 4 21:25:13 2008. Congratulations! |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 5 01:24:39 2008, in response to Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 4 21:25:13 2008. Congrats to Obama & Biden.Bush is not sleeping well at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with all the cheering. |
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Re: McCain concedes |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 5 01:26:37 2008, in response to Re: McCain concedes, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 4 23:42:54 2008. We'd always wonder what President McCain would have gone with 9/11. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 01:27:34 2008, in response to Re: McCain concedes, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 5 01:26:37 2008. He would've been a better President than Bush, that's for sure. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 5 01:29:13 2008, in response to Re: McCain concedes, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 01:27:34 2008. True.But we'll never know what he would have done differently. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 5 01:57:04 2008, in response to Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 4 21:25:13 2008. 
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 5 02:12:11 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 4 23:11:38 2008. You're excused. :0) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 03:16:26 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 5 01:09:06 2008. Heh. IHT ... you ARE aware that they're owned by the NEW YORK TIMES which you hate so much, right? And no sore winner here, I *knew* this would happen, and KNEW that once the crap was over it would be time to get to work. You seem to be the one who's still writhing now that Germany has WON ... as you prefer to think of it. Already, the rest of the planet is happy to see America getting ready to restore itself, put aside its stupid swagger and get down to the business of an entire planet again.But yeah, what you've been selling is done. So time for you to decide if you're an American ready to get involved, or whatever you seem to keep carrying on with. As far as I'm concerned, the old game of dividing people and preying on fear is OVER ... time to get to work. So are you "with us? Or against us?" :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 03:17:28 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 5 01:12:24 2008. In a redbird? :) |
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Re: McCain concedes |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 03:21:49 2008, in response to Re: McCain concedes, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 5 01:16:45 2008. Sadly, in only the last few days (particularly on SNL) we once again got a chance to see the NON-Rove approved 2000 McCain ... I *almost* pulled the lever for him today. :(But the one they were peddling was just another republican. DAMN shame. :( |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Nov 5 04:25:45 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 4 23:37:19 2008. Hmmm, sounds like sour grapes to me. Lighten up,  |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Nov 5 04:26:55 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 4 23:17:03 2008. I thought your wife said you were not posting here any more? Is she a liar? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Nov 5 04:31:25 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 5 00:43:17 2008. 
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Nov 5 04:32:15 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 4 23:39:23 2008. >>>Why I am expaining this, I have no idea.<<<Really |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 04:38:20 2008, in response to Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 4 21:25:13 2008. Bradley Effect...GOODBYE! It was nice knowing you.And it turns out that the Democrats were only grossly overestimated in a handful of states, Georgia and Alaska primarily...and some races were never really races at all (NM went blue by 15 percent, and PA was won by double-digits (10 and change) for Obama...the tightest race in the Northeast along with New Hampshire, if 10 can be called tight. But the biggest surprise one had to see coming was North Carolina, home of the closet Democrat in NASCAR country, and the only state that was once listed as a solid McCain state that Obama wound up winning (by about 15,000 votes), IINM. McCain was gracious in defeat, but he needs to rip his party a new one on Friday...and as for Colorado, that state is going to be blue for years to come, completing the sweep that started in 2006. Others are less certain, especially if Obama fails to live up. Voters in the moderate South have spoken...don't F this up! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 04:50:13 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 04:38:20 2008. Indiana, Missouri, and NC are just so close, it's gotta be frustrating.But what can the Republicans do? I mean, with technology, early voting, exclusive use of absentee ballots in some states, we're entering an age where more people will vote, which means young people will have much more of a voice. They can't keep moving further to the right. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 04:54:27 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 04:50:13 2008. Fox has called Indiana for Obama, BTW.As for ballots, IMO, the Democrats, in spite of winning, should mandate a new standard for ballot machines: Mark-sense machines (similar to the so-called Scantron), where one fills out a car marked with the "answers", the answers being the candidates to choose. Insert card, and the machine prints the results on a paper tape that can then be used to verify any disputes. I was going to say this, win or lose for Obama. HAVA is broken, even in an Obama win. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 04:57:26 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Charles G on Tue Nov 4 22:26:19 2008. That is exactly what has happened...it appears to be much closer popular-vote wise. Republicans have simply concentrated in too many places.But I'm surprised that Bush (Herbert Walker) and Dole won more popular votes, but lost their elections to Bill Clinton in landslides. The rules, however, have changed. Women will figure prominently into voters' minds next time. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:03:40 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 04:54:27 2008. That's what we use in Florida. Scantron. I did not like it, and I really hated that it was printed in Spanish because it meant everything was printed twice, so it took up two pages and felt longer too. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:05:02 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:03:40 2008. However...Scantron is the surest way, IMO. No touch screens to deal with, and it's very quick and easy to deal with. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:09:33 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:05:02 2008. It is fast. What you do is, fill it out in a private booth, put the sheets in a "Privacy folder", bring it to the scanner, and a worker runs it through the machine. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:23:02 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:09:33 2008. Indeed.BTW, I hope the Republicans learn from this, and realize that McCain lost for the same reason that Carter lost in 1980...the product that the Republicans were selling was awful. Both were selling malaise, and Reagan and Obama were selling hope. As we know it, this incarnation of the Republican Party is DEAD. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 05:25:01 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 04:38:20 2008. Heh. Watch McCAIN get offered "Secretary of Defense" ... it'd be a BOLD and very WISE move, and McCain would be stupid not to take it if it's actually offered. From all the emails which have been flooding this box since the "results" from both my military, security, and friend contacts, looks like Obama wants to extend the offer to "fix this shit" to anyone willing to come on board in a bipartisan way. And McCain DID offer in his speech to "help in any way I can." Now THERE is the 2000 McCain I wanted to vote for before Shrub and his D'Amato friends took it off the table for THIS republican. I only wish they HADN'T phucked McCain. When his campaign was in the shitter, he got the old 2000 religion going again and then came Rove, Faux and all the other assholes to torpedo his battleshit. (reference to Harold and Kumar scene there)No, McCain SAW the reality, and as I've always indicated, I *WOULD* have voted for him were it not for that ball and chain "Assemblies of God" whore ... that completely sank his battleshit in MY eyes. McCain was NEVER beholden to the lunatics, but in the end he pandered to them and therefore Ryder had no choice but to turn his sox into a shoe beam on the third rail in Pelham 1-2-3. :( I would NOT vote for the 2008 McCain, but in the last days he reverted to the OLD John McCain, and for THAT, he has my undying respect for going out as the old "maverick" I once respected. And I *truly* think that he would be a TREMENDOUS help (if offered) in the Obama adminstration since he DOES know his military shit ... lessee what happens, based on the rumors in email I heard tonight ... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:26:24 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:23:02 2008. Well, they are expected to name Romney chairman on Friday in Norfolk. Not sure what they'll say or do. But they have to realize that technology and more diversity means more people voting, so they just can't go to far to the right. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:27:35 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:26:24 2008. Or, that they simply need to sell a better product and move to the center.This is where a third party can come in now, to start picking off the Republicans. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:29:48 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 05:25:01 2008. I say McCain declines, so that his party doesn't lose its filibuster-proof majority. Currently, McCain, Snowe (Maine Republican repping a strong Democrat state), and Collins (same as Snowe) are the keys. If McCain is nominated, that leaves the Maine moderate Republicans as the keys to a filibuster for the Republicans, something that they do not want. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:30:33 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 05:25:01 2008. McCain had to pick a woman. His ticket just could not have been two white men. Some say this election was about the economy. That's part of it. But I think minorities and women in America voted together to dethrone the white man. Obama definitely got 50% or more of female white voters, which will back me up. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 05:32:17 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:23:02 2008. Heh. I'm suing you for theft of my prior post! Heh. But yeah, you've got the score.All eyes turn to the "carne-val" (sic) cum Friday ... what I *fear* for the GOP is that they're going to wrap themselves even TIGHTER around the "Assemblies of God" and cast out the moderates, go totally mental and lose four of their senators to "lieberman" status and GIVE the dems their 61 votes. GOP has been INCREDIBLY self-destructive the last four years obviously, and going on 28 now practically. Even JESUS wouldn't make the cut with these fools lately. :( |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:32:33 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:27:35 2008. Who knows, they may rename the party on Friday. I don't see a third-party. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:32:58 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Charles G on Tue Nov 4 22:42:30 2008. You're way too close with that EV count. I think it's going to land around 340 or so for Obama.Probably 364 (and at least 349) with two left. It's looking as if NC will be Obama (just) and MO will be McCain (just). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:35:04 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:30:33 2008. And you know what caused it to backfire royally? Lehman Brothers going kaput, which turned the focus to the economy, from which it never left.But I see Janet Napolitano as a potential VP candidate in 2012 for Obama if she doesn't run for John McCain's seat first in 2010 (when she is term-limited). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:35:45 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:32:33 2008. I'm predicting that a third party will be a far right party, while this Republican party shifts back to the center. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:37:11 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:32:58 2008. Actually, 365 possibly. Obama may have won Nebraska 2 for one of its 5 votes (Nebraska and Maine award EVs proportionally by congressional district, with the bonus 2 for the winner of the state). (That one appears too close to call.) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:38:48 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 4 23:53:26 2008. Besides, he'd make a good QVC presenter. And no-one ever disliked a QVC presenter. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:40:19 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 4 22:01:24 2008. Don't worry. He'll bankrupt WV first. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:40:55 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:35:04 2008. I don't think the economy had anything to do with it. The novelty of Palin wore off, Obama outspent McCain, and the media was campaigning for Obama.Minorities and women wanted to remove white men from the white house, and that's all this was about. If you give a multiple choice test to 1,000 Obama voters in three weeks, and ask them to list the name of a major financial institution that went kaput just before the election, most would not know. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:41:59 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 4 22:25:33 2008. We are thinking ahead - the domains impeachobama.* have all been registeredBy whom? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:42:26 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:38:48 2008. Speaking of...did Saturday Night Live hurt McCain/Palin royally? Just by chance, they did not have the right players to successfully pull off an Obama/Biden impersonation, but the McCain/Palin ones were dead-on.Call it the Tina Fey effect. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:43:22 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:40:55 2008. The product that the Republicans offered also didn't help. America generally likes to think positive. That is going to be a lesson learned. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:47:35 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:35:45 2008. They have to shift. And the democrats can't possible try all the stuff Pelosi has talked about. Like eliminating 401k's, allocating more money to the UN, fairness doctrine, etc.......... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 5 05:48:47 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:29:48 2008. GLADLY trade him for Lieberman. Heh.As far as filibuster goes, I *want* that to remain an option. Despite Obama's kind mention of the 106 year old WOMAN from Atlanta, he STILL has refused to take a stand on SEXISM, and all the nasty shit Donna Brazile and the "blog-bombers" dropped on PUMA and the Hillary supporters throughout the campaign. Had Obama apologized for the sexism and the refusal to pay women on his staff the SAME amount he paid penises, then he COULD have broken 60% of the vote in his favor. BIGGEST mistake Obama EVER made was to not apologize to those Hillary supporters. The wife voted for Cynthia McKinney over this. :( McCain DID make an offer, Obama SHOULD consider it and appoint him to a major position - if not SD, then perhaps NATO or some other options. Sure the governor of AZ is a democrat, but somehow given the YEOMAN work McCain did this year, and KNOWING what the ego of a politician is, if *I* were him, much like Hillary, if something BETTER and more involved were offered, last thing I'd want to do is go back to being a clocker on the minority side of the house. McCain's ego could be stroked, Obama's ego could be stroked and more importantly, AMERICA would have VALID expertise to help guide us out of the harbor, to sea. I think McCain would be a TREMENDOUS asset ... and I *believe* that his patriotism is real and would likely TAKE it. Assuming it's actually OFFERED. Clock has been reset ... we're ALL Americans now ... until the day Obama screws up ... until THEN, we GOTTA get to work on this shit! :( |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:49:03 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:42:26 2008. Julie Louis-Dreyfus looks much more like Palin than Fey does. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:49:20 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 4 23:58:38 2008. 3. Death of the Republican Party as we know it. That party will need to start over.But will they blame McCain or will they blame Palin? If they're not careful, the wingnuts will win at the blame game. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:51:04 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:40:55 2008. The other big winner is MSNBC. What are the odds that one of their anchors is lost to a White House press secretary position? Olbermann is very unlikely, but David Gregory is a possibility. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:51:46 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:47:35 2008. McCain, Snowe, and Collins will keep the Democrats honest. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:53:29 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 5 05:49:20 2008. how can they blame McCain and Palin? Not their fault Obama outspent them. That the media favored them. Like I said, women and minorities worked together to break the monopoly white men had on the White House. That's how Obama won. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:54:03 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 5 05:53:29 2008. You can blame McCain partially, however. Remember that he has trashed 527s in the past...and none came to his aid. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:54:28 2008, in response to Re: Congratulations to President-elect Obama, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 5 05:54:03 2008. However...Sarah Palin is going to end up with the goat horns nevertheless. |
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