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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 11:32:02 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 5 23:23:29 2023.

Fanatic Trump supporters told it to you, indirectly.



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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 11:34:04 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:23:18 2023.

Other than being chosen by republicans, what is your specific objection to johnson?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:38:30 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 11:34:04 2023.

He’s a religious fanatic.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 11:39:03 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:25:54 2023.

The Vps dining room might need major renovation.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 6 11:49:10 2023, in response to NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 5 14:17:02 2023.

My kids keep asking me how Trump can be the president from prison.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:50:13 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 6 11:49:10 2023.

He can’t. He would have to be released.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 12:03:13 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:38:30 2023.

And his religion is what business of yours?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 12:08:06 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 6 11:49:10 2023.

They would let him out on work release. Do you ever think that he will ever be put in prison? Secret service wpuld need to protect the president carrying weapons in prison. Doubt that that would ever be allowed.

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Re: Axelrod to Biden: Drop out (was NYT/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in 5 out of 6 battleground states)

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Nov 6 12:12:43 2023, in response to Axelrod to Biden: Drop out (was NYT/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in 5 out of 6 battleground states), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 07:11:31 2023.

Who should take his place. Racist Talib? Bigomy Omar? Or are we putting Stacey from Georgia back on the ballot?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 12:15:21 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 12:03:13 2023.

It becomes my business when he is proposing legislation in compliance with only those religious beliefs and my religious beliefs compel different positions.

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Re: Axelrod to Biden: Drop out (was NYT/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in 5 out of 6 battleground states)

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 12:15:57 2023, in response to Re: Axelrod to Biden: Drop out (was NYT/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in 5 out of 6 battleground states), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Nov 6 12:12:43 2023.

They would probably want Buttfudge on the ticket

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 12:55:52 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 12:15:21 2023.

For example?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:00:25 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 12:55:52 2023.

His position on abortion, for example, goes against my position as a Reform Jew. His positions on those who have already come here illegally violate my religious beliefs as it pertains to Leviticus 19:33, 34.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 13:07:30 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:00:25 2023.

Since i have no idea what Leviticus 19:33, 34 is , I cant comment. As for abortion, I see nothing has changed since the recent supreme court ruling. Can you be more clear?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:15:35 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 13:07:30 2023.

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

As far as abortion he supports federal law setting an unreasonably early date for when abortion will/will not be allowed. Not only is this not a Federal issue so this would violate the Constitution, as a Reform Jew it would that abortion is both a medical and spiritual decision and that the decision to terminate a pregnancy is one that, in all circumstances, should ultimately be made by the individual within whose body the fetus is growing.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 13:21:45 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:15:35 2023.

Well, I guess if you are looking for reasons to not like the guy, Liviticus gives you your justification. As a Jew who does not live in a theocracy, I have no problem with the supreme court decision on abortion.


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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:29:27 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 13:21:45 2023.

Roe v. Wade was an awful decision as far as it pertains to the United States Constitution, but it did not compel those who did not wish to participate in an abortion to do so. If your religious beliefs allowed for abortion before viability, Roe v. Wade allowed you to do so. If your religious beliefs did not allow for abortions, Roe v. Wade did not require you to get one. Dobbs might be ever so slightly more faithful to the Constitution, but it also gave sanction to municipalities to enact legislation that restrict access to an abortion even though my religion would permit it. If we truly care about the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment this stands in stark contrast.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 13:29:41 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:15:35 2023.

Not only is this not a Federal issue so this would violate the Constitution

Not that I agree with Mike Johnson, but why is this not a federal issue? The Dobbs decision said nothing of the sort. An aside in Dobbs by one justice suggested abortion was up to the states, but nothing in the actual decision said so.



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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:31:11 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 13:29:41 2023.

Please show me what clause of Congress's powers in the Constitution allows them to regulate abortions.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 13:32:32 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:29:27 2023.

But the Supreme Court long ago said that if your religion recommends or mandates that you use peyote, the government can still ban you from using peyote.

None of the amendments are absolute. (Not the 2nd either, for that matter.)



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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 13:34:10 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:29:27 2023.

Mountains out of molehills. And i was not aware that Johnson was a member of the supreme court but if you are looking for excuses to hate him, being on the same side of the argument as bingbong should comfort you.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 13:39:02 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:31:11 2023.

Please discuss that with the Supreme Court. They have 9 votes and I have none. Nothing in Dobbs said that Congress does not have the power to regulate abortions.

And since the 14th and other amendments extend to the states the restrictions originally imposed on the federal government (all the Congress shall not clauses now applying to the states as well), if the federal government has no right to restrict abortions, neither do the states.





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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 13:41:21 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:38:30 2023.

You're right. Anyone who believes in G-d is a religious fanatic.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 13:43:50 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 13:41:21 2023.

So what happens when the faithful, sincere believer in God tells you that you have to believe in his God, or else you will die?

You know that has happened, and that your ancestors have suffered from it.



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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:51:45 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 13:34:10 2023.

I am not on the same side as bingbong. She wants no limits, whereas I believe that at a certain point the fetus has rights.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Nov 6 13:52:33 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 6 13:43:50 2023.

If God is going to speak to me, I believe I'll be already dead!

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 14:03:35 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 13:41:21 2023.

No, plenty of people believe in a god or gods without any fanaticism attached. Mike Johnson is not one of them.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 14:07:23 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 14:03:35 2023.

Bullshit. You may not like Mike Johnson, and that's fine, but just because you don't agree with his politics does not make him abnormal.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 14:24:20 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 14:07:23 2023.

He believes the world is 6000 years old and believes that the flood myth is true.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 14:31:18 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:51:45 2023.

That's not true. My problem with bans is that they do not include medical exceptions to protect the health of the woman. Upon the finding of a medical issue with a pregnancy abortion should be accessible at any point utilizing the least invasive procedure appropriate for that point of the pregnancy. A healthy woman can have another child at a later time. Preserving health is important. No woman should have to suffer to the brink of death because a pregnancy went wrongly.

As to elective abortions, sooner the better.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 14:33:52 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 14:31:18 2023.

That is a limitation with no limits because EVERY pregnancy has health risks for the mother or so you have claimed. Not to mention, if nebulous "psychological" health is covered then all it takes is some quack on the internet and you have abortion on demand including what would otherwise be an elective abortion.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 14:36:23 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 14:33:52 2023.

Yes, they do. Pregnancy is risky. And mental health is a factor, as hormone level changes can affect mental health.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 14:40:51 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 14:36:23 2023.

So then don't engage in activities that carry risk of pregnancy if you are that concerned with the possible side effects. The solution to unwanted pregnancies is not murdering innocent fetuses.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 14:45:00 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 14:24:20 2023.

And what does that have to do with you?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 14:49:26 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 14:36:23 2023.

You are jealous of any woman who csn carry to term. They remind you of your own failure as a woman. That us why you have the abortion blood lust as you do.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 15:11:28 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 14:40:51 2023.

Contraceptives fail. For that reason alone, elective abortion options are mandated. If any woman has issues based on belief or religion they remain free to carry to term. Nobody has ever forced a woman to terminate a pregnancy that she wished to continue. My primary issue remains abortion for medical reason. No woman should have to suffer to the brink of (or past) death because a pregnancy went wrong. What do you think of that?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 15:16:20 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 6 14:45:00 2023.

My government shouldn’t be run by people who have no grasp on reality. I also wouldn’t want someone who believed in the tooth fairy.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 15:27:28 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 15:11:28 2023.

There are more foolproof measures that contraceptives to prevent pregnancies. At well past 10-15 weeks there is no medical emergency absent imminent death to the mother that could not have been spotted well earlier in the pregnancy.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 15:48:55 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 14:24:20 2023.

No he does not. Link or fink.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 15:55:00 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 15:48:55 2023.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:09:17 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 15:55:00 2023.

LOL Huffington Post.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:09:45 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 14:24:20 2023.

Flood's no myth. Why are you anti-science?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:10:58 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 6 15:48:55 2023.

You don't believe the Noachic flood happened?

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 16:27:43 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 15:27:28 2023.

That only applies to ectopic pregnancy. Other issues such as encephalopathy aren't apparent until much later.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:29:45 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 13:15:35 2023.

Why are you twisting the meaning of Shemot 19:33-34?

Never mind using weasel terms like "unreasonable".

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:30:41 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 11:38:30 2023.

Commies always say that people with any kind of religious belief are "religious fanatics".

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 16:31:04 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:29:45 2023.

He’s interpreting those words correctly. You are not.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 6 16:31:48 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 6 16:30:41 2023.

No. Joe Biden is not a religious fanatic.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 6 16:32:01 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 16:27:43 2023.

I don't have a problem if the fetus has health issues. I am talking about nebulous "health" concerns about the mother.

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Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states

Posted by rkba on Mon Nov 6 17:17:17 2023, in response to Re: NY Times/Siena Poll: Trump leads Biden in five out of six battleground states, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 6 14:31:18 2023.

are you going to be bitter for the rest of your life about not having kids?

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