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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 12:28:24 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:26:00 2019. Very relevant. In civic planning, full knowledge of the full reality is crucial. The census is the primary database for population, upon which plans are made. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:29:17 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 12:28:24 2019. You are helping to make the Administration's argument for it. Give it up. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:32:58 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:26:32 2019. They don't vote. But fine then.Immigration status Check one 1. American citizen 2. Not an American citizen, but legal resident 3, Undocumented immigrant (illegal alien) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:35:02 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:32:58 2019. No question should be asked at all on the short-form census. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:35:02 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:27:12 2019. Open to interpretation. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:35:28 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:35:02 2019. Like hell it shouldn't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:36:18 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:35:02 2019. What interpretation is it open to? It's quite clear. Are illegal aliens not persons? Are they all Indians, and if so, are they not taxed? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:37:39 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:35:28 2019. It adds nothing to statistics that the census bureau collects outside of the main census and only depresses the census count, to the detriment of the bureau's constitutional duty. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 12:39:06 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:25:39 2019. And Ologites accuse liberals of being the ones who oppose the Constitution. I personally feel I can live with the Constitution just as it is. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:39:47 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:36:18 2019. They can't vote. They shouldn't be counted. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 12:40:38 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:39:47 2019. Feel free to amend the Constitution to achieve your goal. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 23 12:46:20 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:35:02 2019. No, actually it is quite clear. I may not like it, but it is not up to the Supreme Court to act as a legislature making policy decisions. The only question is it Constitutional. Since the result is that people will not be counted, then the answer is no. If you don't like it, amend the Constitution. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:46:25 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 12:40:38 2019. Not until you answer the question that I have asked you, and have ignored several times. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:47:12 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 23 12:46:20 2019. It is a perfectly legitimate question. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:48:26 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:39:47 2019. Too bad the Constitution says otherwise.And the interpretation couldn't be clearer. Back in 1866, they clearly used the word "persons," instead of "men," even though women couldn't vote. There was a clear intention that representatives did not merely represent voters but also those persons in their districts who could not vote. Similarly, children can't vote, but are nevertheless counted. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 23 12:48:44 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:24:35 2019. huh ????????????????????? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 12:49:47 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:29:17 2019. So then, you seem to be saying that even if it's a valid argument, if it's not in your political best interest, you shouldn't support it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 12:50:10 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:29:17 2019. How's that? A hospital, water system, and the like must be properly sized to accommodate the existing population. Should they add that evil question, many will not, for fear of being "found out", file their census. Which secludes them for one, and mandates more paid census takers to canvass neighborhoods in hopes of making contact. So it costs us all as well.It's stupid, hateful and denigrates the validity of the census. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:50:23 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:47:12 2019. No, it's not. The only legitimate question is: Who are you and where do you live? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 12:50:51 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:25:39 2019. Best argument there is against that stupid hateful question. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:51:55 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 12:49:47 2019. I wasn't saying that, but that's something I would say. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 23 12:54:54 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 12:47:12 2019. Maybe as a policy matter, but not a Constitutional one. There should not be a "Living Constitution" that a majority of Justices can subvert when the clear text does not support their policy aim. The Constitution makes no difference between those who are here legally and those who are not for purposes of counting in the census. As this question will result in the deliberate undercounting of those who the Constitution says must be counted is unconstitutional. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:54:56 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 12:50:10 2019. This is not the purpose of the census. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 23 12:58:48 2019, in response to Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 11:10:05 2019. LOL "rigging". Get some testosterone. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 13:00:03 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:54:56 2019. True, but by now many private businesses rely on the census. The efficiency of commerce degrades with a poor census.Of course, it also degrades with current US tariff policy and lots of other things as well. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:00:35 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 12:25:39 2019. I still have bookmarks on posts for your dead husband where he responded to an Orthodox Jew who used to post here frequently where he would invoke something about Judaism even when religion had nothing to do with the subject post. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 23 13:01:10 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 23 11:53:16 2019. And there's the real census rigging. Similar shenanigans that necessitated the three-fifths rule. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:04:54 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 23 13:01:10 2019. Which makes me wonder, do liberal voters understand that such policies help keep liberal politicians in office at the expense of the themselves. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:05:27 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 13:00:03 2019. Fine, but irrelevant. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 23 13:31:45 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 23 12:58:48 2019. Get some testosterone.Testosterone? I'm getting labs done very soon and will post my score. I know two dudes who got 150 and they are powerlifters. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:32:28 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:04:54 2019. It's the Trumpist politicians who work for their own interests over those of the people. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:56:17 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:05:27 2019. As is AlM, himself. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:58:19 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:32:28 2019. LOL. That's why conservatives want illegals and dead people on the voters rollds, I suppose. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 23 14:02:24 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:58:19 2019. Good post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 14:13:30 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 13:58:19 2019. Liberals don't want those either. But we want the illegals counted on the census, although I personally want them to self-deport. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Tue Apr 23 14:14:19 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 14:13:30 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 15:38:16 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:54:56 2019. It is to local and regional and state governments. The people who do things, like build water systems and approve infrastructure projects. No doubt even city planners use their statistics. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 15:55:18 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 15:38:16 2019. And none of that is required by the Constitution. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:31:03 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 12:25:39 2019. Section 2 needs to be read in context with Section 1:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. An illegal alien is neither born nor naturalized in the U.S. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 17:32:42 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 15:55:18 2019. True, but it has given the census a sense of purpose beyond its original establishment. Keeps it relevant, so those who don’t like the results they get don't try to eliminate it. Lots has changed since 1787. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:33:53 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census plan, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 23 13:31:45 2019. 150? Sure they're not women? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 17:36:03 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:31:03 2019. Yet they're here. So the reside they dwell within needs to be connected to a water system, etc. Should they move for any reason, someone else will likely inhabit the place, and they'll need water too. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:37:16 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 17:36:03 2019. LOL! Making shit up again, aren't you? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 17:54:29 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:37:16 2019. Can't make up reality. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 23 18:36:02 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 15:38:16 2019. Yeah, I can understand that. I'll bet if 200 illegals moved into your neighborhood, they'd tear up your block to put in larger sewer lines, you dumb bitch. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 18:52:29 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:31:03 2019. Have you completely lost your mind? Yours is the dumbest post in this thread bar none. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 18:53:00 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 23 17:37:16 2019. Her post is total bullshit but so is yours. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 18:53:29 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 17:36:03 2019. I spoke too soon. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 18:54:11 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 23 17:32:42 2019. THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE ISSUE! |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 21:15:44 2019, in response to Re: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Trump Administration census rigging plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 18:53:29 2019. There are two issues concerning the Census.Most importantly, there is the minimum that the Constitution requires. But there is also what is good and helpful for the country. That is important even if it cannot be used as a constitutional justification. As another example, the Constitution doesn't mandate early voting, but that doesn't make it a bad idea. |
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