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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 11:37:16 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:28:24 2018. Olog thinks he's the kind of person who would do well in a totalitarian state like the USSR. However, after just a few minutes living in the reality that was the Soviet Union, he'd be crying to come home. Olog talks a good game, but he'd never be able to adjust to a society in which everyone is closely watched for signs of political instability. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:42:51 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:29:40 2018. Correct! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:45:48 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 11:35:41 2018. Listen, I hate the guy myself personally, but he has the right to say what he wants and Facebook and YouTube and Instagram should not shut him down because they don't agree with him.And no, that was witty! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 11 11:48:04 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:26:52 2018. I'll have to remember that one. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 11 11:52:38 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:29:40 2018. That's what they got VKontakte and RenRen (f.k.a. Hsiao-nei) for. The former even has a logo that resembles FB's. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 11:52:55 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:45:48 2018. He only has that right on his own dime. Nobody's taking away his website. He has no rights as far as any other outlet is concerned, especially when he engages in unlawful speech and thus violates the TOS of any given outlet. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 11:54:16 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:45:48 2018. he has the right to say what he wantsHe only has the right not to be arrested for what he says. That's all. Any other rights you claim he has have been fabricated. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 11 11:56:46 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:45:48 2018. They don't have to give him a megaphone. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:00:39 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 11:52:55 2018. It's not unlawful speech. Like I said, I can't stand that nut myself, but I will never shut him down because of what he says. But then again, I value free speech, even if I don't agree with it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:01:17 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 11:54:16 2018. Oh, come on! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:03:21 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:45:48 2018. And I love when I post about that fat blowhard having free speech, look at the three that reply! LOL |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 11 12:07:55 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:00:39 2018. The First Amendment exists expressly for speech people don't agree with. If people agreed with it there wouldn't need to be a law enshrining its right to exist.That said, it's similar to someone going into a shopping mall shouting on a megaphone while standing on a box. If the mall can kick that someone out, so too can Facebook kick Infowars out. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 12:08:23 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:00:39 2018. It's not unlawful speech.Libel is punishable under civil law, however. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 12:10:13 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 11 12:07:55 2018. Exactly.All the more so his speech is often libellous. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:12:02 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 11:37:16 2018. he'd never be able to adjust to a society in which everyone is closely watched for signs of political instability.True. I’m also having difficulty living in such a society and I consider myself pretty normal. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 12:16:26 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:01:17 2018. He's correct. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:18:56 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 11 12:07:55 2018. I’m not so sure about that analogy. Mainly because I don’t know law, but I’m wondering if there couldn’t be a case made that Facebook does have to abide by the first amendment and that they can kick people off for violating terms of service but can’t abridge free speech. At least in the US, which is one of the few countries that has freedom of speech, albeit not for long.Anyone that knows law care to weigh in? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 12:21:51 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:00:39 2018. Inciting criminal activity is NOT protected speech. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 12:26:43 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:18:56 2018. Facebook can, in allowing Jones access through and to their site, be liable for damages sufferers s a result of his followers actions against the SandyHok families, as there's proven criminal actions taken by his followers after his documented urging on numerous occasions.They have every right, and in fact responsibility, to ban him. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:27:01 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 12:08:23 2018. Was Alex jones punished in civil court for libel or are you suggesting that people accused of libel should have their freedoms abridged? Or something else? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:32:54 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 12:26:43 2018. My post wasn’t about Alex Jones specifically, but a larger question as to whether freedom of speech might apply to a company like Facebook even though they aren’t a government entity. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 12:52:55 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:12:02 2018. Really? Please do identify the secret state police agency that monitors speech for politically threatening content, and arrests the person expressing such views, in the United States.I'll wait. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:52:55 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 11 12:07:55 2018. A more apt comparison is 3 guys in the mall screaming on a megaphone, but they only throw 1 guy out because the people don't agree with him while the other 2 get to stay and continue screaming in their megaphones. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:54:04 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 12:26:43 2018. Bingbookburn |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:56:09 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 12:21:51 2018. Whatever you say, Bingoebbels |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 12:56:17 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:52:55 2018. If that is what the mall owner wants. Maybe throwing the one guy out is consistent with his moral beliefs, you know, like a business owner throwing a gay couple out for the same reason. You supported that principle, remember? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:04:08 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:56:09 2018. She's right. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 11 13:04:20 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:52:55 2018. Private property so he can do that if he wants. You and I would agree that it's not fair but it's his property so he can toss out whomever he wants. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:17:34 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:18:56 2018. I’m wondering if there couldn’t be a case made that Facebook does have to abide by the first amendment and that they can kick people off for violating terms of service but can’t abridge free speech.They are in big trouble if they were to "discriminate" in an unpermitted way. Obviously racial or religious discrimination gets you sued. Political discrimination is possibly OK. The NRA web site kicks you off if you post comments supporting gun regulation (much less banning of guns). But there is huge evidence that Alex Jones has libeled private individuals. I would think it's pretty much a no-brainer that you can ban people for libel. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:12 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 12:56:17 2018. Facebook is a different entity than a business. It would be like Ma Bell disconnecting your phone service because you are Muslim. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:57 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 11 13:04:20 2018. That's why they get the nickname the Tolerant Left. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:31:57 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:03:21 2018. That's because you posted something completely irrelevant. It would be the same as posting his blood type. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Aug 11 13:34:59 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:28:51 2018. Lol |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Aug 11 13:35:01 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:28:51 2018. Lol |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:38:12 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:18:56 2018. No. Facebook is not a governmental entity. The First Amendment only says that Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 11 13:39:33 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:45:48 2018. The right to say what you want ends when doing so results in people being harmed. That's why you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 11 13:41:06 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 11 12:07:55 2018. No, that's a different case. A mall is private property and the owners legally can keep people out under certain circumstances. A better example would be standing on a box in a public park shouting on a megaphone. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:42:21 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:32:54 2018. It does not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:43:14 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:12 2018. Ma Bell was a regulated utility. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:43:23 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:17:34 2018. Did Facebook ban Alex jones because he libeled private individuals? If so, they should have hundreds of millions more bans coming. Are you at all familiar with all the nonsense that gets posted on Facebook? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:44:26 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:57 2018. As if right wing websites don't do the same to the left. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:44:44 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 11 13:41:06 2018. Facebook is private property and the owners legally can keep people out under certain circumstances.And in fact they have long blocked many classes of visitors who didn't meet their criteria. For example, you have never been allowed to post non-obscene nudity there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:45:59 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:27:01 2018. What freedoms? I might want to distance myself from an accused defamer before a court actually finds that he committed defamation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:48:42 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 11:37:16 2018. Good point. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:48:55 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:43:23 2018. Jones' libels have done major damage. Some of his libel victims have had to move multiple times to stay safe from his followers.Are you saying that Facebook doesn't ban other libellers when there is a well-substantiated complaint against them? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:52:56 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:38:12 2018. Ok. I was thinking along the lines that there's only one internet and you need a federal license to operate on it, but there’s a lot wrong with my premise much less my conclusion. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:52:59 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:27:01 2018. Bill said it's not unlawful speech. I replied to say he might be wrong. Do you disagree?An "unlawful" activity isn't necessarily one you might be arrested for. Parking in a no-parking zone is "unlawful." You can get (financially) punished for it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:53:42 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:48:55 2018. I don't know what Facebook's TOS says, but I think it does restrict libelous statements. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 11 13:56:00 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:44:44 2018. That's true. I didn't realize you were taking about FB; I thought you were talking in general about publicly speaking on a megaphone. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:56:40 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:12 2018. In what way is Facebook a "different entity" than a business?It is a picky traded, for-profit corporation. |
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