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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 31 15:34:04 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:11:03 2014. are you saying they did better under the more incompetent Republican Administration..who basically fed them to the wolves..sent their children to two useless wars..stole their homes from under them..and other unscrupulous things?selective memory i see. its okay..we all may have "senior moments" but you, it seems, more than others. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 31 15:43:40 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 13:50:44 2014. you shouldn't.he certainly doesn't feel the same way about You..or anyone else here. his "thing" is to ridicule"..and if you get in his way..it'll happen to you too. Fuck him. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 31 15:53:56 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Edwards! on Sat May 31 15:34:04 2014. iawtp !lol |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 16:39:39 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Edwards! on Sat May 31 15:43:40 2014. I guess you've met him? |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 31 17:37:07 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 11:34:15 2014. False. Since 2007, Congress has provided a 60% increase in VA discretionary funding, adding nearly $23 billion for veterans’ health care and services. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 31 17:51:22 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sat May 31 17:37:07 2014. Maybe, maybe not. How does this increase compare to the increase in the population needing care (because of an increased number of combat veterans)? |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 31 17:53:03 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by AlM on Sat May 31 17:51:22 2014. Lagging. But bingbong's statement was flat wrong (gee, what a surprise!) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 17:55:14 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sat May 31 17:37:07 2014. That's not enough. Ight now, there's seriously wounded vets coming back from 2 bush wars and aging Vietnam vets needing care. Underfunding is the same as cutting when it comes down to results. Doctors (including my sister) did not get their contracts renewed because of a lack of funds. This has been the story since President Obama took office. The redboys are holding back as much as they can to make the President look bad. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 31 19:36:43 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 17:55:14 2014. VA doctors usually don't get contracts renewed because of complaints by patients or supervisors (unless an entire facility loses its VA contract). The problem with money has been that it hasn't been enough to match the tremendous patient growth, even as funding is increasing.The Bush administration cut funding in the early 2000's to reduce waste and inefficiencies. But starting in 2007 the VA budget started to rise dramatically. The 2013 budget represented an 11% ($13 billion) increase over 2012 spending and a 72% increase from 2007 spending (despite a 10% decrease in the number of veterans between 2007 and 2013). Spending on medical programs grew 42% between 2007 and 2011. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 19:43:49 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sat May 31 19:36:43 2014. Congress apparently did not fund the VA as requested. The need is greater than what thebwee willing to fund.My sister had no patient complaints, the facility was not funded sufficiently and they let her go at the end of her contract. Cut yer crap right here and don't try to tell me otherwise. This isn't your family. You don't know what happened. Patent growth requires personell growth. That means hiring doctors. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:05:22 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Edwards! on Sat May 31 15:34:04 2014. What I said was exactly what I said. This should forewarn everyone about the quality of care under a single payer system under and especially under a democratic administration. I thought I said it pretty clearly the first time. There3 should be no doubts what I said now - right? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:08:09 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by AlM on Sat May 31 17:51:22 2014. That's the point. obama'care' intends to add 30 million recipients to the healthcare roles. Have they done anything to support the additional increase in load? Have they added more hospitals? Have they sought to increase medical staffing? So based on that, how can you expect the quality of medical care to get better or even remain the same for the majority of Americans? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 20:18:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:08:09 2014. Have they added more hospitals? Have they sought to increase medical staffing? So based on that, how can you expect the quality of medical care to get better or even remain the same for the majority of Americans?Because the demand for hospitals and medical care will be reduced. At the moment, people who can't afford health care simply ignore obvious problems until they become unbearable, and then go to an emergency room— at which point, they're often told they have a significant problem requiring extensive treatment that would have been simple and easy to deal with if they had sought treatment when the symptoms first appeared. Giving people comprehensive health care means more people getting problems dealt with when they're small and easy, or even avoiding them entirely through preventative measures, and thus reduce the need for more expensive and extensive interventions later. Keep in mind, of course, this assumes that the ACA will actually provide comprehensive health care to millions of people, which it was never intended to do. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:28:27 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 20:18:23 2014. "Because the demand for hospitals and medical care will be reduced."Oh really? You need to explain how this works. If my boss increased the size of my fleet by 12% and told me that I didn't need additional parts and manpower to maintain it, I'd certainly be skeptical. At some point, if you add 30 million people to the US healthcare system and you do not add infrastructure and personnel to support it, the system will become overloaded. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 31 21:25:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 19:43:49 2014. Maybe the facility had complaints against her? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 21:43:25 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sat May 31 21:25:23 2014. None that I was aware of. She was told they had budget restraints and could not renew her contract. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:34:15 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:05:22 2014. It's got nothing to do with the nature of a single payer system and everything to do with plain mismanagement. Anything mismanaged can go awry - Look at Metro North. The VA can be fixed; it's not inherently a bad idea just been run poorly.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:38:11 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:08:09 2014. What you're saying is that those 30 million people never visited a hospital or clinic before Obamacare. Of course they did, it's the same thing only now they have insurance. We also still paid for their medical care.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat May 31 22:59:22 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:28:27 2014. A better analogy would be: the TA picked 12% of the fleet and put it on a program of deferred maintenance, fixing them only when they really break down. The ACA is putting that 12% back on a program of regular maintenance, just like the other cars. There'll be an initial effort to bring them back up to spec, but after that, it's more proactive than reactive. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 31 23:36:26 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:34:15 2014. ... and pretty threadbare based on the actual need. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 23:39:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:38:11 2014. Paid a lot more dare say so. Using an ER to access care is very costly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 31 23:41:21 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 23:39:23 2014. And taking care of the small stuff before it becomes major as outpatient office treatment is much much cheaper. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 03:55:40 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:34:15 2014. More like the subway in the 1970s. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 03:55:48 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:28:27 2014. Oh really? You need to explain how this works.I already did. It's in the part of my post after the first sentence you quoted. Which you seem to have ignored. Namely: At the moment, people who can't afford health care simply ignore obvious problems until they become unbearable, and then go to an emergency room— at which point, they're often told they have a significant problem requiring extensive treatment that would have been simple and easy to deal with if they had sought treatment when the symptoms first appeared. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 07:23:07 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 21:43:25 2014. Was she the only physician let go? What is her specialty? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 1 08:08:00 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 03:55:40 2014. I needed something contemporary, plus the Metro-North thing bugs me.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 09:13:52 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 21:43:25 2014. That sounds a bit contrived & convenient. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 09:15:41 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:34:15 2014. Exactly and yet with this mismanagement we are nor suppose to entrust our healthcare to the same incompetent fools who fucked up the VA? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 10:49:39 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 07:23:07 2014. There were several others that year in different specialities. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 10:51:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 09:13:52 2014. For them, perhaps. That's what I know. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 13:21:01 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 10:49:39 2014. Odd. Is the patient flow down at the hospital? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 13:37:00 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 09:15:41 2014. To the Republicans and DINOs? No way. Of course, we'll have to evict them from office before we get single payer anyway.Of course, I'd trust the VA more than my current health insurance— with the VA, I might get treated eventually, while with my efficient free market supported private insurance, I know they won't ever cover anything so I'd better not get sick. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 13:47:04 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 13:21:01 2014. No. It was consistent. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 1 15:16:47 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 07:59:08 2014. Probably not, Luch doesn't seem to be able to do that. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 15:22:52 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 1 15:16:47 2014. LOL. You're batting a thousand today. I agree with you again. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 1 15:28:16 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 15:22:52 2014. Thanky!!! |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 16:53:38 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 13:47:04 2014. Is your sister a specialist? What type? Maybe there was less of a need for her specialty? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 1 17:00:36 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 1 15:16:47 2014. Your wife does. You just aren't aware. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 17:30:31 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 16:53:38 2014. She's a radiologist / nuclear medicine specialist and they are quite in demand. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 1 17:33:50 2014, in response to Shinseki "Resigns", posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014. ???Why is "resigns" in quotes? Every news outlet is reporting that it was his decision and not Obama's. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 17:47:55 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 17:30:31 2014. What is her opinion on obamacare? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 18:36:06 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 17:47:55 2014. Like most doctors, in favor of.it. This way she can more easily treat a patient at stage 2 instead of 4. It gets difficult and way more expensive to treat advanced disease. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 18:38:14 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by AlM on Sun Jun 1 17:33:50 2014. Excellent question. Consider it answered in the corrected thread title. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:04:34 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 13:37:00 2014. And my experience has been just the opposite. I've never had a problem with coverage from my insurance company. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:09:34 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 03:55:48 2014. Your POV is inconsistent with the obama administration. You are claiming that there is a net zero gain in people covered by the US health care system while the obamites claim that 30 million more people now have access to health care where they previously did not.Under the obama scenario, there has to be a net loss in health care coverage since they have done nothing to increase the healthcare infrastructure and personnel. Under your scenario, if those 30 million already had access to health care, then what was the reason for the democratic party taking over the entire healthcare industry? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:11:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:04:34 2014. That's because the leftist politicians and unions put you into a rather large group and got preferential prices because politically, it would be bad for them to offer you the shit tier plans that the private sector gets, and that's if they offer anything at all. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:11:47 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by AlM on Sun Jun 1 17:33:50 2014. Given that this president holds no one accountable for incompetence, perhaps you have a point but I suspect that he had help making the decision. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:16:32 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 07:23:07 2014. Perhaps the administrator at that facility got a bonus for cutting expenses by seeing less patients and then cutting staff. One then has to wonder why the democrats rejected a bill to hold the civil servants at the VA accountable instead of rewarding them |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:17:21 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 18:36:06 2014. I thought most doctors are against it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:18:07 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:17:21 2014. Most are ! |
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