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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 16:50:00 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 16 16:30:19 2014. On the contrary— if you don't have 60 votes for cloture, you bring the bill to the floor for a vote and require the Republicans to actually filibuster it if they hate it so much. Then you sit there for several hours listening to a Republican spout gibberish until he gets tired or hungry and then you pass the bill with a simple majority now that the Republicans have "chosen" to end the filibuster.Even if the Republicans managed to maintain the filibuster over the long term (by taking turns on the floor), the Democrats could try to break the filibuster by refusing to let anyone leave the Senate chamber until a vote was held— and if that didn't work, then simply letting the Republicans stand up and read from the phone book day in and day out isn't so bad actually; sure, nothing gets done, but the Republicans make themselves look like colossal asses to even the most minimally informed voters, and it makes the lack of action clearly their fault rather than something that can be blamed on the Democrats. Eventually, a few Republicans in swing districts who are up for reelection in 2010 would have enough self-preservation instinct to vote for cloture. And that's assuming, of course, that they didn't just change the rules to prevent Republican filibusters— something Reid could have easily done and consciously chose not to on several occasions. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 16 16:58:51 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 16:50:00 2014. Would be cool if they actually handled it that way, but the practice now is, if it fails cloture vote, it's done. In order to have the opportunity to bring a bill back at a more opportune time, it can't hit that fail point. So they don't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 17:01:08 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Fri May 16 16:58:51 2014. I'm not aware of any law or rule that requires the discarding of any bill which fails a cloture vote.In any case, a cloture vote likely wouldn't be necessary; historically, it wasn't even allowed and the Senate worked well enough. A filibuster is like a temper tantrum— it'll burn out fairly quickly on its own. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 16 17:14:00 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 16:50:00 2014. They were filibustering the morning prayer fer krissakes. In the beginning, Reid would actually do that. Ended up with nothing at all getting done, so they stopped feeding them. As to changing the filibuster rule, if the other side came into power that'd be even handier for THEM. :( |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 16 21:44:34 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 17:01:08 2014. IMO, that's wishful thinking. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 23:22:20 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Fri May 16 21:44:34 2014. It's worked in the past before cloture was a thing.Of course, that was also before the Democrats had disintegrated into a bunch of spineless cowards. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 17 00:31:10 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by train dude on Fri May 16 09:42:39 2014. LOL!Your "majority"? consist of nut jobs who travel to Washington DC to overthrow the government..arrest our president..and put him in a "mobile prison" only to be met by the crickets" Your brand of "majority" is the wrinkled old fart who is a bigoted son of a bitch sheriff from NH..or AZ. Your brand..are selfish sons of bitches..who want it all..sharing nothing...and keeping others from seeing the "dream". The only "truth" you understand is the double down inflation,low paying,"keep em down"trickle down economics your "savior" gave you. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 17 06:19:51 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 17:01:08 2014. IINM there hasn't been a filibuster against legislation since Al D'Amato in the 90's. If they don't have the 60 votes they shelve the bill.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 17 06:22:37 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Fred G on Sat May 17 06:19:51 2014. I forgot about Ted Cruz' recent filibuster.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 11:35:05 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Fred G on Sat May 17 06:22:37 2014. That wasn't a filibuster. It was just a ranting idiot yammering all night long. He tried to make it LOOK like a filibuster, in order to attempt to put some context to why he was yammering all night long, but that failed in the end. It was just a yammering idiot, all night long. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 17 12:38:06 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 11:35:05 2014. In his "defense," a filibuster pretty much is just an idiot yammering all night long. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 12:41:29 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Nilet on Sat May 17 12:38:06 2014. Yeah. In this case, there was no bill or cloture vote attached or related to the yammering. It was just yammering. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 17 13:12:56 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 12:41:29 2014. Was Wendy Davis filibustering or yammering? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 13:33:55 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Dave on Sat May 17 13:12:56 2014. Texas' rules allow her speech prior to a vote on a bill. That she made it past midnight meant the vote could not be taken, as the session was closed. Your rules, not mine. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 17 17:00:42 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Dave on Sat May 17 13:12:56 2014. She was actually trying to delay a bill in order to kill it. Ted Cruz just wanted to hear himself talk. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 17 18:15:57 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 13:33:55 2014. You didn't answer my question. Do you consider her actions to be a filibuster or yammering? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 18:36:37 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Dave on Sat May 17 18:15:57 2014. That question can't be answered as the rules in Texas are different than the rule in the US Senate. Wendy Davis was completely within the rules in Texas. That's all that can be said. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 18:39:46 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 18:36:37 2014. texasss sucks |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 18:48:45 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 18:39:46 2014. Southern California sucks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 18:58:39 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 18:48:45 2014. Then there's also that state that begins with the word "Ill." :) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 17 19:00:49 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 18:58:39 2014. We finally agree on something. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 19:02:57 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 17 19:00:49 2014. That's OK ... it'll pass. :) |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:08:21 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 06:27:17 2014. I agree. The Democrats were fairly spineless. When the Republicans have/had the majority in all houses, they actually got some of their agenda done. The Democrats just capitulated. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:08:26 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 18:48:45 2014. its a lot better than texass !what do you have in texass better ? LOL |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:10:13 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 15 19:39:27 2014. In many places, state and local governments are already cut to the bone. There is a Republican candidate running for governor of Arizona who is promising smaller government. The issue is that it's hard for me to imagine the state government getting any smaller as anyone who was "extra" was cut years ago. Any further cuts will likely fundamentally harm the state. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:12:26 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:10:13 2014. az sux |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 19:14:41 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:10:13 2014. Yep ... and then they wonder why the bridges are collapsing and nobody wants to come and visit anymore. Once upon a time, the GOP was run by folks who knew how to run a business, and wanted to make government more BUSINESS like. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money and you don't turn your property into garbage. Clearly no business people left in the GOP. :( |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:15:10 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:08:26 2014. I like Texas.The people there are nice, the economy is good, and taxes/property values are not astronomically crazy. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 19:19:34 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:15:10 2014. They DO get you on sales tax though, I was amazed to see that it compares to NYC. Sure glad we don't pay like that up here ... |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:20:08 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 19:14:41 2014. The guy running his "smaller government" campaign actually was the former CEO of Cold Stone Creamery. He is running on his "business" mentality. But, in all seriousness, the state government is being run at about as lean as it possibly can be run.People aren't going to like it, but I see most of the currently non-tolled freeways and bridges becoming toll roads and bridges in the next 10-20 years to pay for infrastructure improvements and maintenance. The GOP doesn't seem to have a lot of issues with toll roads and virtually all new highways built in the past 10 years in Texas, Florida, and Colorado already are toll routes. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:21:32 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:12:26 2014. No it doesn't.My fiance and I have decent jobs and reasonable costs of living. I don't agree with it politically (in its entirety), and when my -future- kids become kindergarten age I'm not sure that I want to raise them here, but I can think of several worse places to live. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:24:03 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 17 19:19:34 2014. Sales tax isn't horrible there though.The total sales tax rate in Dallas is 8.25%, the total sales tax rate in Phoenix is 8.30%, and the total sales tax rate in Los Angeles is 9.00%. I calculated Albany, NY and showed a sales tax rate of 8.00%. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 17 19:32:04 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Dave on Sat May 17 18:15:57 2014. What is yammering? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 17 19:35:33 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:10:13 2014. The issue is that it's hard for me to imagine the state government getting any smaller as anyone who was "extra" was cut years ago. Any further cuts will likely fundamentally harm the state.Mississippi is the model. As for your last point, see the thread about state-by-state median income. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 19:37:04 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:24:03 2014. Try Schenectady NY. That's where ya shop local around here. For clothing, Massachusetts and / or Vermont are daytrips, with favorable tax statuses on those items. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:43:34 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:21:32 2014. its too hot and its a right wing RED state too !arizona sucks |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:44:47 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:43:34 2014. No. It doesn't suck. It's just not to your tastes. There's a difference. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 19:46:11 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering?, posted by TonyG on Sat May 17 19:44:47 2014. not only is it too hot but the politics there sucks big time !i prefer california texasss sucks too |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 20:35:25 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 18:39:46 2014. Southern California sucks. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 20:42:26 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 20:35:25 2014. so cal rocks and is wonderful |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 17 20:47:33 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 20:42:26 2014. so cal burns!!! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 20:48:34 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 17 20:47:33 2014. san diego did |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 20:50:37 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 18:39:46 2014. Southern California sucks. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 21:12:06 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 20:50:37 2014. Southern California we love it here |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat May 17 21:53:30 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 17 20:50:37 2014. As do you |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 17 22:25:09 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 18:36:37 2014. WABB.She filibustered. So says your god, the New York Times. Your track record for being wrong is remarkable. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 22:31:01 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Dave on Sat May 17 22:25:09 2014. Lol! The NYT is no god, but they're obviously more accurate than brightbart. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 17 22:33:54 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 22:31:01 2014. So do you admit you were wrong and Wendy filibustered? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 17 22:35:48 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by Dave on Sat May 17 22:33:54 2014. When you admit brightbart was. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 17 22:48:07 2014, in response to Re: Maybe the economy is finally recovering, posted by SubwaySurf on Sat May 17 21:53:30 2014. lol |
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