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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 15:37:12 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:57:32 2014. Solely because he sees Palin for what she is? By ejecting all rational people from the Republican Party, you are ensuring that they will never win another national election for decades, if ever. I, for one, am not interested in one party rule. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 3 15:37:27 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 15:34:56 2014. Another Spider attack.I thought it was a combination of the entrance exam and grades. Either way, those two would not have made it in. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 15:37:59 2014, in response to Re: Obama says US can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:59:36 2014. You believe they are righteous? If you believe that these people do not exist at all, you are just keeping your head in the sand. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 15:39:19 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 14:35:38 2014. Or at least he would actually know something about Jewish traditions besides Kahanism. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 15:40:45 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 3 15:36:36 2014. I hear tell :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 15:42:17 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 15:39:19 2014. Yeah, at least. He's a fake.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:42:54 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:46:38 2014. Of course there are, but what does that have to do with the Evengelicals? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:43:50 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 12:30:08 2014. The World Trade Center was a direct result of the Clinton Foreign policy that happened to carry over to the Bush Presidency. But just what do you think obama would have done if it happened on his watch? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 15:43:55 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 3 15:37:27 2014. It is 100% the entrance exam.In any case, how do you figure? |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:44:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 14:24:09 2014. Stop displaying your ignorance, Olog. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:45:14 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 12:24:01 2014. He's portrayed this nation as weak. His "red lines" are a perfect example. He might as well be doing them in chalk. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 15:46:56 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:43:50 2014. Bullshit, Bush was asleep at the switch. Eight months on the job, buildings destroyed, 3000 dead. You can blame Clinton all you want, but he wasn't the President.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:47:05 2014, in response to Re: Obama says US can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:49:57 2014. Thinking she isn't smart enough to be president does not equal lack of respect. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:49:11 2014, in response to Re: Obama says US can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:53:55 2014. Obama and Israel DEFINITELY are not! |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 15:51:16 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:45:14 2014. Those aren't concrete examples of where he doesn't defend the nation's interests. While his 'red line' rhetoric was wrong, it was a one time error and not a policy. To his credit he's fought the war on terrorism more skillfully than his predecessor and hasn't put our military in harm's way for no good reason.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:52:12 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 15:46:56 2014. Your emphatic "bullshit" not withstanding, the first attack on the World Trade Center occurred on Clinton's watch. Instead of making intelligence sharing easier, the Clinton Justice Dept. made it more difficult for the sake of pursuing criminal cases against terrorists. But just for the sake of argument, what warnings did the Bush Administration ignore that led to the WTC attack? Would you have accepted the grounding of all commercial aircraft for 8 months? Why didn't clinton do that? |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:53:46 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:57:32 2014. Dems fightin' words! *VBG* Politically I'm a centrist, I suppose. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:53:52 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 15:51:16 2014. Oh really? Then why is Al Qaida rebuilding in Afghanistan and Pahkistahn? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 3 15:56:15 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014. Where is the threat? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 3 15:59:38 2014, in response to Re: Obama says US can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:58:36 2014. What diffeence would it make?He rarely if ever saw or spoke with his father, it's clear that he received no religious guidance from him. This is such anon-issue, isn't it well past time to drop it? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:02:15 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:52:12 2014. The Clinton Justice Dept brought those terrorists of the 93 bombing to justice.As for Bush, there was the Aug. 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing with the ominous headline "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." There were reportedly other more specific briefings describing al Qaida operating within the US. What likely took Bush's eye off the ball was more the focus on Iraq by Neocon members of the Administration rather than terrorism. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:03:25 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:53:46 2014. Yes, I'd say you are more centrist, maybe bat a little to the right.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:07:31 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:53:52 2014. We're not done killing all of them. Seriously I doubt we ever will unless we set on a path of complete destruction of any nation we suspect of hosting them. We can keep them at bay, much like roaches in NYC.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 3 16:10:07 2014, in response to Re: Obama says US can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 13:58:36 2014. Did you know that Barack means Baruch? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:21:58 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:07:31 2014. But under Bush, they were on the run and losing strength. Under the current administration, they are rebuilding. This President has focused on high visibility targets than in undermining the organization's support structure. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 16:24:55 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:21:58 2014. In many cases, this POTUS has protected the support structure of Islamic terrorism; even promoted it. What did he think that speech in Cairo would do? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:26:45 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:02:15 2014. Roosevelt had more intelligence that the Japanese were going to strike the US. Yet he could not act to prevent it. What would you have expected President Bush to do? There was no intelligence that Al Qaida was planning to use commercial air craft as tactical weapons. There was no intelligence that the World Trade Center would be attacked for a second time. I think the argument is a red herring. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 16:26:55 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:44:42 2014. What "ignorance"? You're among those promoting the alleged existence of a bogeyman. There aren't any legitimate sources for the existence of a large mass of so-called "Christian Zionists".Remember your failure to prove that "price tag attacks" exist, now. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:27:59 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 16:24:55 2014. To an extent, I agree. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 16:28:12 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:26:45 2014. Even if Bush could have prevented it, the left would never have approved of the means to stop it. Never. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 16:29:35 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:27:59 2014. The hands-off approach to Iran and Egypt speak to what I'm saying. Even worse, allowing our ambassadors to be killed in Libya and Afghanistan with absolutely not a sliver of repercussions for the killers speak further to same. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:32:06 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:21:58 2014. You've got it reversed. Bush focused on significant members of Al Qaeda and the Taliban while Obama expanded the drone attacks to foot soldiers, resulting in 4 times as many casualties as when Bush was President.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 3 16:34:26 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 3 15:53:46 2014. But you have nothing to say about what Obama should have done differently? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:38:44 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 16:32:06 2014. I don't think that I have it reversed. How do you account for Al Qaida rebuilding and retaking territory under the current president? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:41:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 16:28:12 2014. Of course not. If they had intelligence that the attack was going to occur on 9/11/01 and they believed the nature of the attack would be to use commercial air liners, and Bush ordered all commercial air craft grounded on that date, could you imagine the uproar from the general population and especially from the left? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 16:42:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:26:45 2014. There was no intelligence that Al Qaida was planning to use commercial air craft as tactical weapons.I believe there was |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 16:43:10 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 3 15:19:39 2014. Please don't confuse Olog with facts. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:48:15 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 16:42:42 2014. Please post a credible reference to such intelligence. I'd love to see it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 17:00:58 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:38:44 2014. I think you do have it reversedA large part of it is probably due to Syria's civil war and its positive effect on recruitment. Iraq isn't secure either. Al Qaida is cancer. It goes into remission and comes back. You then have to think about sacrificing body parts, or whole nations to defeat it. We have a better doctor in Obama than we did with Bush, but he can't work miracles unless we take more drastic steps and start wiping out a lot more people, including innocent ones. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 17:01:27 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 16:48:15 2014. Here you go. There was plenty of intelligence, though none of it was deemed credible to warrant warnings. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Mar 3 17:03:26 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 13:35:09 2014. True, there is a certain lack of self-awareness in these right wing partisan rants. Any takers on which posters here would fail the Turing test if it were administered? Maybe we could make a list. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 3 17:04:02 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 17:01:27 2014. He said credible sources. Aside from Wikipedia's own credibility deficiency, innuendo from the MSM and people's books doesn't quite cut it. (Are we really back to "fake but accurate"?) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 17:16:46 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 16:43:10 2014. He's incapable of being at all affected by facts. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 3 17:18:04 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WillD on Mon Mar 3 17:03:26 2014. They're just repeating what they see on Fox News and read on similar sources without any understanding of what they're repeating. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 3 17:22:23 2014, in response to Re: Obama says US can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 3 12:02:16 2014. Those other guys are comedy, too :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 3 17:56:53 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 15:43:50 2014. Bush was warned--twice--that the 9/11 attacks were coming. That he was unwilling to listen to the two FBI agents who sounded the alarm in early August 2001, or to the NSC, which issued a subsequent warning two weeks before the attack, is ALL on him. Not Clinton, or any other "liberal". |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 3 18:02:47 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 3 11:25:55 2014. Obama's foreign policy record is actually pretty good, considering he must deal with an obstructionist Congress. He successfully captured and killed Osama Bin Laden, as well as numerous other Al-Qaeda leaders, got us out of Iraq, restored foreign confidence in American trade, established the first strategic arms limitation treaty with Russia since the Cold War, and adroitly handled the tricky challenges of the Arab Spring. He's held a hard line on human rights, and been an active participant in the United Nations. Oh, and he has presided over the greatest period of international trade growth in American history.All this, with your side trying to stymie him at every turn. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 3 18:07:19 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 23:17:33 2014. Every single Democratic President since Harry Truman has supported Israel unflinchingly, including Obama. But achieving peace in the Middle East is not the responsibility of the United States.Netanyahu inserted himself into American politics by publicly supporting Romney, at that, so it should come as no surprise that Obama is lukewarm towards him. But even with that, it's still Netanyahu and Abbas that must work things out, no matter how distasteful that prospect appears to both of them. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Mar 3 18:10:29 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 3 18:02:47 2014. Are you thinking about becoming a stand up comedian because that post is hilarious? "Obama's foreign policy record is actually pretty good", you should try that line out at the improve, you'll get a lot of laughs. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 3 18:21:17 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Mar 3 18:10:29 2014. OK, you're also saner than most of the conservatives here. Exactly what should Obama have done differently? (I agree he's said some stupid things, like his Syria chemical weapons red line remark.) |
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