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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Mar 2 20:52:54 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 2 20:41:13 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Aren't literalists fun to watch? Especially when they don't even bother to try to fact check it in the first place? THIS is why conservatives amuse me. :)
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 2 20:55:56 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 2 20:15:06 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Are you joking?
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 2 20:57:08 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 20:12:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Which event is a precursor to WW III? The Haredi demonstration?
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by DAnD124* on Sun Mar 2 21:00:24 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 2 20:55:56 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d the Jews i knew growing up all had to learn Hebrew.
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Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014, in response to Mideast Peace deal reached before Charedi protest, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Mar 2 04:10:22 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Of course, as far as "defend", look at how much he's "defending" the Ukraine. Notice no onus on the "Palestinians". Times of Israel Obama: US won’t be able to defend Israel if peace talks fail Ahead of meeting with Netanyahu, president says unprecedented ‘aggressive settlement construction’ detrimental to peace process By Adiv Sterman March 2, 2014, 11:51 pm Israel can expect to face international isolation and possible sanctions from countries and companies across the world if Benjamin Netanyahu fails to endorse a framework agreement with the Palestinians, US President Barack Obama cautioned on Sunday ahead of a meeting with the Israeli prime minister. In an interview with Bloomberg, Obama stressed that time was running out for Israel to achieve a peace deal, and added that he believed Netanyahu had the capacity to rally Israel’s citizens behind an agreement. But if Netanyahu “does not believe that a peace deal with the Palestinians is the right thing to do for Israel, then he needs to articulate an alternative approach,” Obama said. “There comes a point where you can’t manage this anymore, and then you start having to make very difficult choices,” he said. The president went on to stress that he would convey to Netanyahu, in the spirit of the Jewish sage Hillel the Elder, that the prime minister could lead Israel toward peace if he chose to do so. “If not now, when? And if not you, Mr. Prime Minister, then who?” Obama said. The president went on to condemn in no uncertain terms Israel’s settlement activities in the West Bank, and said that though his allegiance to the Jewish state was permanent, building settlements across the Green Line was counterproductive and would make it extremely difficult for the US to defend Israel from painful repercussions in the international community. “If you see no peace deal and continued aggressive settlement construction — and we have seen more aggressive settlement construction over the last couple years than we’ve seen in a very long time — if Palestinians come to believe that the possibility of a contiguous sovereign Palestinian state is no longer within reach, then our ability to manage the international fallout is going to be limited,” Obama said. The president added that Israel must come to a decision over its future character and weigh whether its current policies are conducive to achieving its true aspirations. “Do you resign yourself to what amounts to a permanent occupation of the West Bank?” he inquired of the Israeli public. “Is that the character of Israel as a state for a long period of time? Do you perpetuate, over the course of a decade or two decades, more and more restrictive policies in terms of Palestinian movement? Do you place restrictions on Arab Israelis in ways that run counter to Israel’s traditions?” he asked. Obama further stated that in his opinion, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas “has proven himself to be somebody who has been committed to nonviolence and diplomatic efforts to resolve” the conflict. “We do not know what a successor to Abbas will look like,” he added. Asked whether he felt Abbas was sincere about his willingness to recognize Israel and its right to exist, the president replied that he was sure that was the case. “I think that this is a rare quality not just within the Palestinian territories, but in the Middle East generally,” Obama said of the Palestinian leader. ”For us not to seize that opportunity would be a mistake.” Netanyahu left for Washington Sunday for talks about the US-led peace process and nuclear negotiations between world powers and Iran. Although Netanyahu would like the conversation with Obama to focus primarily on Iran, the White House appears to have a different agenda. “Obama will press him to agree to a framework for a conclusive round of Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations that is being drafted by Secretary of State John Kerry,” The New York Times quoted senior US officials as saying last week. Direct peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians, which began last July with the goal of reaching a deal within nine months, have made no visible progress. Kerry is now focused on getting the two sides to agree on a framework proposal which would extend the deadline until the year’s end. Although the document has not yet been made public, it is understood to be a non-binding proposal laying out guidelines for negotiating the central issues of the conflict, such as borders, security, Jerusalem, Israeli settlements and the right of return for Palestinian refugees. The proposal, or its outline, is likely to be presented to Netanyahu this week and to Abbas on March 17 when he meets Obama at the White House. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sun Mar 2 21:10:18 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Mar 2 20:34:00 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d ?
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Obama: US won’t be able to defend Israel if peace talks fail
Posted by DAnD124* on Sun Mar 2 21:11:52 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d title corrected
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Mar 2 21:17:39 2014, in response to Obama: US won’t be able to defend Israel if peace talks fail, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 2 21:11:52 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d That's a threat to Israel, dandKKKantisemite.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Mitch45* on Sun Mar 2 21:54:20 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Obama is a foreign policy disaster.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Mar 2 21:57:49 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 2 21:54:20 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Just imagine what it would have been like with McCain - we would have run out of bombs in Syria and had nothing left for Iran, and Palin would have pissed off Putin to the point where he'd be marching into France by now.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Mar 2 21:59:08 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 2 21:54:20 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d History books are being written before our eyes. The Ukrainians already know what a mess the man is.
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Obama to Israel: Drop Dead
Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Mar 2 22:45:41 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d More apt title
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Re: Obama to Israel: Drop Dead
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Mar 2 22:50:49 2014, in response to Obama to Israel: Drop Dead, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 2 22:45:41 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, considering the literal ramifications.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Mitch45* on Sun Mar 2 22:54:39 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 2 21:57:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You are demented.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Mitch45* on Sun Mar 2 22:54:39 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 2 21:57:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You are demented.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Mitch45* on Sun Mar 2 22:54:39 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 2 21:57:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You are demented.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Mar 2 22:55:38 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 2 21:57:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Guess it's official that you're demented.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Mar 2 22:56:48 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 2 22:54:39 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d As far as I can see, nobody'[s really up to the task. Except for Olog of course. :)
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sun Mar 2 23:02:18 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d This is another can't-win situation for Obama. If the talks fail, and Obama doesn't help Israel in the event of war, he will be said to have abandoned our "only real ally" in the Middle East. On the other hand, if Obama does send in the troops, aircraft carriers, and planes, the GOP will accuse him of being a "warmongering interventionist", sending our military into another foreign war. No matter what happens if the talks fall through, Obama will get the blame. If Romney were in the White House, nobody would say he was "threatening" Israel by stating a noninterventionist policy. Obama, meanwhile, is walking a fine line, and he's telling Netanyahu that the Israelis aren't helping themselves by taking a hard stance with Abbas. I seem to recall that when President Carter brokered peace between Begin and Sadat, it ended in Sadat's assassination, and the beginning of Egypt's downspiral into the mess it eventually became. I think Obama is simply stating that it is time for the interested parties to find peace on their own. I understand how incredibly charged this issue is, on both sides, but handling it is part of statecraft, which is the responsibility of Netanyahu and Abbas to work out. The question is, can they do it?
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Mar 2 23:12:10 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 2 23:02:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Then where is the criticism of Abbas as well? He is pressuring Israel to commit national suicide by talking up Abbas so Abbas has all of the leverage in negotiations because Obama has said that the United States won't back up Israel
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 23:17:33 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 2 23:02:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d On the other hand, if Obama does send in the troops, aircraft carriers, and planes, the GOP will accuse him of being a "warmongering interventionist", sending our military into another foreign war. How do you figure that? The GOP would certainly support going to aid Israel. It's Democrats that would take issue with it.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by AMoreira81* on Mon Mar 3 00:19:04 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ukraine is largely the EU's problem. The problem is that the EU has to choose between defending Ukraine or keeping its citizens warm, because Russia can retaliate with a natural gas cutoff. (That is also why the EU - and USA - would rather see Assad dead...because he is a Putin stoogie.)
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Edwards!* on Mon Mar 3 00:49:54 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 2 22:54:39 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe..but as far as I can see..that a million times more sane than most of you. Its ever so easy to do what your congress does,point fingers whine,cry about the mess they created..yet never Ever offer a viable solution to any given problem that would benefit Everyone. Frankly..I'm sick of the damn whining. Either Do something,or shut the hell up and let those who can do,Do it.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Edwards!* on Mon Mar 3 01:05:22 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 23:17:33 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Of course the GOP would support war..it fills their coffers with money..and strong arms the nation to believe the party line of Might makes RIGHT... WHY should the USA constantly play Global Police for a bunch of folks that have been fighting since the world was middle aged? Even if the president did help..it wouldn't be good enough for a political party dead set on opposing anything this man does for One reason.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Mon Mar 3 03:33:13 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 2 23:02:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d If Obama was as vocal in his criticism of Abbas for his foot-dragging and repeated insistence on things that Israel cannot accept in a final peace agreement, this wouldn't be a big deal. Obama does not understand that in the Middle East, the best way to get things done is quietly, and making a scene before each meeting he has with Bibi won't produce the result he wants. Obama needs to learn how to do diplomacy on the terms of others and not necessarily his own, there is a reason many world leaders aren't big fans of Obama.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Mon Mar 3 03:35:59 2014, in response to Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:08:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Obama's lack of onus on the Palestinians has been a constant problem in his efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Obama's inability to understand how other foreign leaders prefer to work (the best way to get things done in the Middle East is to talk behind the scenes, and not to air out issues publicly the way Obama does whenever Bibi is on his way to the US) is a significant reason in why foreign leaders don't particularly like how Obama handles himself when it comes to diplomatic efforts.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Mon Mar 3 03:36:05 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 03:33:13 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I'm gonan regret saying this for sure, but perhaps if Bibi didn't spend so many years pissing Obama off, maybe they'd get along a bit better. Diplomacy is a two way street, and Bibi's public embrace of Romney and interference in our election kinda blew the relationship.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Mar 3 03:36:24 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 03:33:13 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Excellent post.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Mon Mar 3 04:04:06 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 3 03:36:05 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Bibi's public embrace of Romney and interference in our election kinda blew the relationship. Bibi gambled and lost on that one, big time. But Obama has done plenty to piss off Bibi AND lots of other world leaders, let's not ignore that fact. Also, a fact conveniently forgotten is that Bibi took a big risk by agreeing to the 10 month settlement freeze that Obama suggested, Abbas never showed up to negotiate until the 9th month, and needless to say, Netanyahu wasn't going to extend the freeze at that point (nor should he have).
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Mar 3 05:20:35 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 3 03:36:05 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's exactly the opposite. Obama spent years pissing Netanyahu off.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Mar 3 05:33:07 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 2 23:02:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d We shouldn't even be involved in this. Israel can take care of itself. your pal, Fred
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel* on Mon Mar 3 05:52:01 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 2 19:57:43 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d entering Adar (that's the new month starting today) But Adar is the month that just ended!
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel* on Mon Mar 3 05:52:59 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 2 20:57:08 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Which event is a precursor to WW III? The Haredi demonstration? No, Irwin changing the subject line. Pay attention.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Mar 3 07:53:37 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 3 03:36:05 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's the other way around, Obama has pissed them off. Obama's foreign policy has been nothing short of a complete nightmare. It's worse than ever at this point.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Mar 3 07:55:13 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 03:33:13 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Obama's foreign policy has set us back decades. It's nothing short of a complete disaster. While our image wasn't that great before Obama got in, he's sent it into the stone age.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by bingbong* on Mon Mar 3 08:10:38 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 2 21:59:08 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The issue in Ukraine is not about America, it's about wishing to join the EU for economic benefit. Where did the crazy idea that it's about US come from?
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Dave* on Mon Mar 3 08:21:07 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 2 22:54:39 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d +∞
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Re: Obama says he won't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Mar 3 08:24:00 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 2 23:02:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Title corrected.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Mar 3 08:25:13 2014, in response to Re: Obama threatens Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 2 21:57:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Can't defend the current president, so to soften the bolow of his complete disaster, try and create a diversion about a hypothetical opinion of what a guy that was running 6 years ago would have done, and the hypothetical irrelevance of if he died and his running mate was president! LOL How about discussing the current president which is going on 6 years of foreign policy disaster instead of hypothetical opinion?
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Re: Obama says he won't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Mar 3 08:41:37 2014, in response to Re: Obama says he won't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 3 08:24:00 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d They're trying to change it back to the TOI article title, which is not very accurate. This is the POTUS that lets the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas) in the White House's front door while making the prime minister of Israel use the side door.
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Re: Obama threatens Israel
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Mar 3 08:42:16 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Mar 3 05:20:35 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's the precise opposite all right.
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by AlM* on Mon Mar 3 08:47:35 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Mar 3 05:52:59 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You mean Olog is referring to the event that didn't happen?
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 08:49:28 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 2 21:10:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Question mark.
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 08:51:39 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 2 20:07:34 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d And we are all supposed to have big noses too.
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Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 08:53:25 2014, in response to Re: Israeli National Suicide Deal Reached, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 2 17:10:04 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Let me guess, you are a Jew who voted for obama right?
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 08:57:57 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 3 03:33:13 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Will you now admit that obama is an anti-Semite?
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 08:59:32 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 3 03:36:05 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d In other words Bibi should have bowed down and kissed obama's ass.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by AlM* on Mon Mar 3 09:07:23 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 3 08:57:57 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d There's a difference between being a bad negotiator and being an antisemite.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 09:11:11 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 3 09:07:23 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Oh no, obama's a good negotiator. His intention is the destuction of Israel, and he is succeeding.
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Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Mon Mar 3 09:11:11 2014, in response to Re: Obama saysUS can't help Israel If Peace Talks Fail, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 3 09:07:23 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Oh no, obama's a good negotiator. His intention is the destuction of Israel, and he is succeeding.
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