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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:08:14 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 11:08:00 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No state has any "freelance electors. "If by "freelance electors" she means electors for whom there are no consequences for voting contrary to their pledge, then either all electors in a given state are like that, or none of them.

But legal consequences for faithless electors are irrelevant. If millions of people are willing to vote for some "RWNB" as bingbong would call it, his party can easily find 270 out of those millions to be electors.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:11:30 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 10:49:11 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Or so you say. You're the one who's unable to understand basic facts. I have no problem interpreting things.

You like to play "earthquake" with OTChat.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:13:59 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 10:55:21 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You are the one who seems to be stuck to rigid definitions here, since you ascribe some significance to electors having the freedom to vote as they please. That sounds more "OCD" than what you usually claim is "OCD."

You're a hypocrite.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:32:05 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:13:59 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Haven't learned to laugh at her yet?

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:34:21 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 11:41:14 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Wow, you're just as much of a liar as bingbong.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:35:28 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by DAnD124 on Tue Jan 21 11:25:01 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You really want the USA to turn into the USSR, dontcha?

I'm trying to figure out if you're just a stalker or just hate anything about what you call the "buy-bull" (as state atheist advocates, aka communists, like to call it).

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 14:35:42 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 11:05:52 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
For Terrorpin? Undoubtedly.

Like it or not, the shrinks said I'm fine.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 14:39:56 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 21 12:55:43 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No I'm not wrong at all. I stated that the Constitution does not mandate electors vote according to any pattern, that they are free to vote as they wish. SOME states LATER imposed laws on them, but at the Federal level there is no requirement for them to follow them (you see, Federal law supersedes state laws).

Perhaps you ought to take some time and comprehend a book about about our government. A head full of facts means nothing without understanding. You have none.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 14:47:51 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:34:21 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
How can I be a liar when I have said I'm not sure about something? I genuinely don't know, and that's what I said.



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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:50:21 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 14:47:51 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No, you lied about someone being a religious fanatic. Which actually says more about you than who you lied about.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 14:57:29 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jan 21 09:32:08 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Long time family stronghold of Oak Park and a few other 'burghs just outside of the loop. Family also represents in Detroit. Downtown still.

Gotta love a railroad that had its own funeral train and all sorts of other interesting stuff. NYC never went for any of that. :(

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:01:01 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 14:39:56 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No I'm not wrong at all

LOL!

SOME states LATER imposed laws on them, but at the Federal level there is no requirement for them to follow them (you see, Federal law supersedes state laws)

Contradicted yourself. Where no federal law exists, states are free to make their own laws. How can a nonexistent law be supreme to anything?

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:03:46 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:01:01 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The role and procedures for electors are written IN the Constitution itself. That supersedes law.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 15:04:55 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:13:59 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Just because New York requires them to vote as directed doesn't mean Alabama does.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:05:18 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:11:30 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No, that only works in Monopoly. You need a board to do that.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:06:00 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 14:39:56 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No, that is NOT what you said. It is what you're saying now because you moved the goalposts.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:06:33 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:32:05 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Been laughing at you for years.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:08:19 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:03:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
How can they be and not be at the same time? The 12th Amendment sets no procedures for electors, nor any requirement beyond voting and making lists.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:08:24 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:50:21 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
He didn't lie. You are a religious fanatic.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 15:08:46 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 14:50:21 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Opinion. Obviously I don't actually know you. You might be much more reasonable than you appear in 1s and 0s.


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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:10:28 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:08:24 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
That makes both of you liars.

As for me, I'm not out to forcibly convert and/or kill anyone who doesn't believe what I believe, which is the immutable definition of a religious fanatic. You can't say the same about your leftists whose masks are being shed all over the place these days—or actual religious fanatics.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 15:11:18 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:08:24 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Eh, he could just be posing as one. :)

I definitely have my doubts about RockParkMan being the Stalinist he acts like he is.



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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:12:13 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 15:04:55 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What are you talking about? Bingbong's own link shows the opposite to be true. And in any event it doesn't matter. That an elector can vote however he/she chooses does not make it any more likely that this will change the outcome of the election.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:12:33 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:05:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
This is a board.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:13:37 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:08:19 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It also requires that the electors meet in their respective state capitals.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 15:14:13 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:10:28 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
As for me, I'm not out to forcibly convert and/or kill anyone who doesn't believe what I believe, which is the immutable definition of a religious fanatic.

Not my definition.


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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:14:18 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 15:11:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
That is certainly plausible. It could be an act for either of them.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:14:38 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 15:08:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Opinion or prejudice?

Religious fanatics seek to forcibly convert and/or kill. Something I'd never do.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:20:16 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:08:19 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It's in the document itself. Read it sometime. Learn about the country you've been living in.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 15:21:08 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:06:00 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The ground in frozen and I own no backhoe. No goalposts have moved as a result. Get your eyes checked.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 15:26:54 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:12:13 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Just checking to see if this mic's on. I'm enjoying the show here. :)

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 15:30:30 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 15:12:33 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d


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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 21 16:33:34 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:13:59 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d

You're a hypocrite.


And she wonders why everyone questions her here. She's perhaps the biggest hypocrite here.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by DAnD124 on Tue Jan 21 21:25:52 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 21 15:11:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
if olog were faking it he wouldn't be posting the same stuff on freerepublic

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 21 21:31:06 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:13:59 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Lol! You really will never get it. Call me if you do. I won't be waiting up, k?

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 22 02:28:25 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by DAnD124 on Tue Jan 21 21:25:52 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I don't think Olog is faking it. The act is "too good."

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 22 11:49:57 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 14:13:59 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I'm kind of struggling to understand why the (supposed) fact that electors have the freedom to vote as they please is somehow being interpreted as a reason to keep the Electoral College.

In my, presumably bizarro, world -- the idea that there was a meaningful risk that a relatively small group of electors could overwhelm the will of the people and take over an election would be an argument for a direct popular vote election.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 22 11:52:46 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 22 11:49:57 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Only one person is using that as a reason to keep the EC and her arguments are weak and based on incorrect assumptions.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 11:57:31 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 22 11:49:57 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The founders felt the opposite was more likely, that the people would elect an unqualified idiot. Some say that's already happened, like 14 years ago.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 11:59:02 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 22 11:52:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
As opposed to an OCDed fool?

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 22 12:13:09 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 22 11:52:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yes, but if the argument was strong (and the risk of electors switching was high) it would be a compelling argument to scrap the Electoral College.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by DAnD124 on Wed Jan 22 12:39:38 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 11:57:31 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The founders felt the opposite was more likely, that the people would elect an unqualified idiot. Some say that's already happened, like 14 years ago.

you think Al Gore was an unqualified idiot?

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 22 13:15:23 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by DAnD124 on Wed Jan 22 12:39:38 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Now that's just taking unfair advantage. Do you use a shotgun when you go fishing? :)


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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 22 13:25:15 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 11:59:02 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Who is that? You?

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 13:28:00 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 22 13:25:15 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Hardly. I know what's important and the value of interpretation. You have shown time and again that you don't.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 13:33:04 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by DAnD124 on Wed Jan 22 12:39:38 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No. His opponenet has long been argued, however.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 22 13:36:39 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 13:28:00 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You fool know one here.

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jan 22 13:39:45 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 22 13:36:39 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by DAnD124 on Wed Jan 22 13:41:59 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 13:33:04 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
but the people elected gore

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Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 22 14:33:23 2014, in response to Re: The Republican Party’s uphill path to 270 electoral votes in 2016, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 22 13:36:39 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Ha ha! There's plenty of fools here, yourself included.

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