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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:32:26 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 02:38:00 2013. Who's pretending to be a Republican? LOL . . . |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:33:16 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 02:38:00 2013. how does "pretending to be a Republican" help, when the GOP lost the last two elections? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Dec 14 03:34:57 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 02:19:50 2013. ?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:35:16 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:33:16 2013. What last two elections? I remember a "shellacking" in 2010. Danke für Angriffe. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:36:47 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:35:16 2013. 2010 was so great because we AMericans knew it was probably the last time we'd w1n big.this country is going to be a tyrannical government in a few years. many will see their property confiscated. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:38:23 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:36:47 2013. It is certainly possible. But the populace does have guns. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:38:59 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 02:19:50 2013. True. But it's funny how the elements are so strongly behind Cuomo, will vote for him again, and he does not even have to give the element a raise to get their vote. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:40:23 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:38:23 2013. what good will a gun do against an army? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:43:00 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:40:23 2013. Someone answered that question ten years ago. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:51:55 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:43:00 2013. obviously the Nazis would have changed their strategy had they met resistance.a good percentage of Americans want confiscation anyway. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 14 10:27:56 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by bingbong on Fri Dec 13 23:51:50 2013. Mazol Tov. That means congratulations. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 14 11:08:50 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Dec 13 09:02:17 2013. I actually think we'd be better served by a list of extremists from both sides. They are the ones truly out to destroy America. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 14 11:45:02 2013, in response to 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 12 23:49:44 2013. Compared to you, those on list are probably the better educated once. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 14 11:45:54 2013, in response to 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 12 23:49:44 2013. Compared to you, those on list are probably the better educated once. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 11:59:24 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:51:55 2013. No they don't. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 12:04:19 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 11:59:24 2013. yes we do and We'll get the guns. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:10:15 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 12:04:19 2013. If you get the guns the only ones who will have them are criminals. It is not having guns that is the problem, it is that people are irresponsible with gun ownership and there is no need for high capacity magazines for self defense or sport (unless you are a really bad shot!) |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 12:12:28 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:10:15 2013. crimes committed with guns should be capital crimes This should include possession. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:16:34 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 12:12:28 2013. No it shouldn't. The framers of the Constitution realized that the British tried to limit the colonists power by confiscating weapons so included the 2nd Amendment to prevent the United States government from doing the same to its citizens. That being said, what the framers new as "arms" were muskets and other single shot weapons, not (semi-)automatic weapons we know today or high capacity magazines. If a shooter had to reload after six shots or less it would force him/her to stop more frequently giving others the chance to take him/her down or defend themselves |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 12:17:32 2013, in response to 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 12 23:49:44 2013. Add the Colorado school shooter to the list. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 12:38:44 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:16:34 2013. You contradict yourself. It just shows how outdated that two and a quarter century document is. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 12:48:06 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Dec 14 02:55:01 2013. You DO realize that Spitzer and Paterson count as one governorship, right? And Paturkey was down for three? As to playing republican, he's handing out tax money to corporations and cutting back on everyone else. His new "enterprise zone" stuff wants to move chemical companies into the NYC watershed in Delhi and Oneonta and have them pay no taxes for ten years for the privilege.Upstate, he's been cutting back hard. We don't like him at all up here and very likely he will see to it that we get another republican governor on his re-up. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 12:52:28 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 03:32:26 2013. I take it you've never seen a pander bear. And no, one bullet is all you need to take out bambi if you know how to aim. Of course, your side probably needs mortars and RPG's and would still miss. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 12:54:18 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:33:16 2013. Because, according to his handlers, going as a New York democrat won't sell in flyover country for his run for President and therefore he needs to do a reverse Christie to win. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 12:58:12 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 14 03:38:59 2013. That's only because the best the republicans can come up with is THIS guy ... note the surrender stance even before the election! :)
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:58:15 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 12:38:44 2013. How exactly do I contradict myself? Yes you have the right to bear arms, but only the types of arms recognized by the framers at the time the Constitution was drafted |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 13:04:18 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:58:15 2013. Muzzle loaded single shot black powder firearms. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 13:07:35 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 12:17:32 2013. Why is no one discussing this? If he were conservative there'd be over 100 posts already. Haha. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 14 13:34:22 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 13:07:35 2013. Probably because the news came in late here and there was no information about the shooter. I would have put them on the "list of /b/tards" but dunno what we've got here yet. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 14 13:36:26 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:10:15 2013. If anyone is that bad a shot then they shouldn't have a gun to begin with. First order is ensuring public safety WRT firearms. Owners need to be trained and verified as competent in all aspects of gun handling. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:02:32 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 13:07:35 2013. Ain't that the truth? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 14:04:57 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 12:17:32 2013. Why? Not seeing anything one way or the other in the articles listed in Google News. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:08:28 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 12:58:15 2013. That's not what the Second Amendment says. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:33:08 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:08:28 2013. I am just going by the framer's intent. When the Constitution was drafted and ratified the framers only knew single shot rifles and muskets as "arms." I do not think that the framers could have ever envisioned what we have today. It was not until the 1800's that revolvers first started to be affordable to more of the population. If you believe that the Constitution is unchanging and should be exactly what the framers meant then the 2nd Amendment's right to bear arms should only be limited to the types of weapons that the framers knew. Unless, of course, you believe in a living Constitution |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 14:40:03 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 14:04:57 2013. Well they can't just come out and admit that he was a liberal can they? I'll post an article from the Daily News. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 14:41:04 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:33:08 2013. Cannons existed in 1788. Does dragging your personal cannon with a team of horses count as bearing arms? They forgot to tell us. So Justice Kennedy will probably tell us instead sooner or later where to draw the line. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 14:44:45 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:33:08 2013. Another take on it could be that a CURRENT infantryman's individual weapon would be permitted. i.e. M-4 or M-16. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:46:18 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:33:08 2013. I am just going by the framer's intentReally? The word "arms" is unambiguous and is not bound by time frame whatsoever. The framer's intent is for arms of any level of technology. You really think that the framers of the Constitution really wanted higher-technology armaments to be in government's hands exclusively?? especially after freeing themselves of armament-grabbers? That view is not part of the "living Constitution" school, either. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:48:39 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 14:40:03 2013. Which Daily News? |
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Posted by The I MAN on Sat Dec 14 14:50:57 2013, in response to 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 12 23:49:44 2013. Whatever happened to studying the issues and making up my own mind? Riding the party line on everything is just ignorant. This goes for both sides of the fence here. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:51:20 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:46:18 2013. If they wanted to mean "arms of any level of technology" they could have spelled that out. If you asked the framers when the Constitution was drafted what did they consider arms I doubt they would have said AK-47's |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 14:53:05 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 14:48:39 2013. It was NY Daily News, but they lifted the facts from the Denver Post, so I posted that one instead. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 14:57:44 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:51:20 2013. If you subscribe to "original intent" (I do NOT!!!), then "arms" would be defined as the type CURRENTLY carried by individual infantrymen. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 15:06:32 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 14:57:44 2013. RockParkMan, my posts on what was good in 1789 are more for playing devil's advocate than what I actually believe but that is because the 2nd Amendment lends itself to that. My posts in response to streetcarman regarding Garden City's zoning laws and my posts on Capitalism not being the same as trickle down are my beliefs |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 15:07:27 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 14 14:51:20 2013. Arms are arms. Your dissembling is just that.Constitutions that get too specific are the constitutions of tyrants. Your dissembling bespeaks that, too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 15:08:23 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 14 14:57:44 2013. What the blazes do you mean by "original intent"?? Arms are arms. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 14 15:09:45 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by The I MAN on Sat Dec 14 14:50:57 2013. There is no such major party as the "Liberal Party" in the USA, so a "party line" is impossible. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 15:16:26 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 14:40:03 2013. Aha, I see. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 14 15:47:13 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 14 11:08:50 2013. obama is an extremist. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Dec 14 16:02:24 2013, in response to Re: 2013 List Of Liberals, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 14 15:47:13 2013. No, President Obama is a good man who means the very best for his country. Just as President Bush was. Neither is super-human, but history will be kinder to them than their contemporary critics. |
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