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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 15:20:16 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:45:24 2014. Countries do not have open borders. There's a process to become a member of a country. Name a country worth living in that blah blah blah blah blahI never said that racism was rare, I just said it was wrong. No matter how universal it is. What a ridiculous analogy. You are equating a move of an American Citizen (I assume you are one) from one apartment to another home to changing the country you live in? What does one have to do with the other. OK, so American citizenship is necessary to live in America— so why is it that I have that and the supposedly "illegal" immigrants don't? I never applied for citizenship and I certainly never jumped through any hoops to get it. But I will bite.... And there still is a process to renting an apartment, you probably had to sign a lease, or you had some kind of an agreement with the landlord of terms and conditions, rent to be paid, etc if he allowed you to take up residency in his property. You can't just walk into an apartment and take up residency in it. No, I can't just walk into an apartment and claim it, but nobody ever did. If the correct "process" to move to an apartment is to form an agreement with the landlord specifying condition and rent (or to get permission from the apartment's owner in general, I guess) then why are you declaring that some people are "illegal" even if they followed that process? Moreover, if I did just walk into an apartment and take up residency, you'd probably say I was illegally occupying the apartment or that I was trespassing, but I doubt you'd claim that I'm inherently "illegal" as a person. ????? Yeah, so? If you are an American citizen, a naturalized citizen, or a legal alien, you can also. OK, so we've established that American citizenship automatically confers the right to move to Hawaii. But as I said, I never applied for American citizenship. I never had to jump through any hoops to get it. I never had to "earn" it. So if someone else wants to move to Hawaii, why can't they register for American citizenship (or "legal alien" status) and do it too? What does where in the United States you move have to do with anything? The entire argument is about who is allowed to move where, so asking where I or someone else is allowed to move and why seems perfectly apropos to me. Can you decide to go to Mexico City and decide to live there? Can you go to Montreal and just decide to live there without any paperwork, or doing the legal process with the Mexican or Canadian government? Pointing to the existence of other racists or the universality of racism does not disprove that you are a racist. It's irrelevant if you move 30 miles across an international border or 3000 miles across the country, if you cross an international border, you have a process to do so. Yes. If I move to a different city, there is a "process" to do so. If I move to a different state, there is a "process" to do so then too. The problem is that you're trying to argue for a double standard— an easy process for Alice or Bob and a different, nearly impossible process for Carlos and Dominique. More specifically, you're trying to claim that who gets the easy process and who is forced to go through the nearly impossible process should be determined by birth and ancestry— distinctions generally categorised under "race." |
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