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[PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time
Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023 The first four photos from what I was told was for photo documentation of advertising on buses. So you can reminisce about the buses and advertisements. #81 at Williamburg Bridge Plaza #104 in downtown Brooklyn on a hot day (all windows open). Is that the post office building behind the bus ? #774 at East NY Depot. Anyone remember LaRosa pasta ? #2055 - Any idea which location this is ? #4715 in a very bad accident, possibly crashing into an "el" pillar. #8088 brand new with air conditioning and "bat wing" advertisements. #8803 on the B-34, location unknown. Movie shoot utilizing a GM Fishbowl. Did Ulmer Park depot hold an open house in 1963 ? Brand new #3850 posing for a photo with local families.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Jan 8 16:04:47 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Bill, these are fabulous photos. I must admit, I am absolutely drooling right now!
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Jan 8 16:04:47 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Bill, these are fabulous photos. I must admit, I am absolutely drooling right now!
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Sun Jan 8 16:25:01 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* I don't know the location of #2205. It's most likely in Queens because bus advertising contained the Democratic ticket for Queens.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jan 8 16:41:55 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jan 8 16:25:01 2023.* It’s in a bus depot. There is a bus behind it and bus bays on the right.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 8 16:44:56 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 8 16:04:47 2023.* I really agree with that post!
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Jan 8 16:45:13 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Bill: Thanks for a great set of pictures. I don't know the reason but when the new look buses came in the TA stopped using boro prefixes on the rollsigns. This must have caused a lot of confusion in Brooklyn and Queens were many of the routes overlap. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 8 17:31:06 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Every time I see new photos like this I see something I haven’t seen before. For instance in this batch the number 81 is painted green like the body instead of gold. And I’m the last one that ad on the front of the bus is about half the size as you’d normally see to accommodate the GM plate. So since I wasn’t around in the 60 when these photos were taken, it’s new to me.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Jan 8 17:59:18 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 8 16:04:47 2023.* Bill, these are fabulous photos. I must admit, I am absolutely drooling right now! Thanks Bill. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Jan 8 18:00:32 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 8 16:41:55 2023.* It’s in a bus depot. There is a bus behind it and bus bays on the right. Besides Fresh Pond depot,what other Queens depot could this be ? Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Jan 8 18:01:47 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jan 8 16:45:13 2023.* Bill: Thanks for a great set of pictures. I don't know the reason but when the new look buses came in the TA stopped using boro prefixes on the rollsigns. This must have caused a lot of confusion in Brooklyn and Queens were many of the routes overlap. Larry, RedbirdR33 Thanks Larry. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Jan 8 18:32:03 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 8 17:31:06 2023.* For instance in this batch the number 81 is painted green like the body instead of gold. I don't know why the switch from gold to green numbers as seen here: B-46 Ave N (January 14, 1970) Fallen flag B-23 at New Utrecht Ave. (December 1969)
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 8 18:58:51 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 18:32:03 2023.* The poor old look with that MTA badge slapped on. That’s silly
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Jan 8 20:25:43 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 18:00:32 2023.* Jamaica, or Flushing, or QV (if these were still around when it opened). These made very few appearances on Brooklyn Division routes until the very end of their lives.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jan 8 21:05:05 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 8 20:25:43 2023.* There’s an Old Look behind it. Doubt it’s QV both with the Old Look and the old building to the left.
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Posted by William A. Padron* on Sun Jan 8 21:17:25 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Excellent set of NYCTA buses in this batch! AAAA++++!!!! Thanks for posting and sharing this, *Bill Newkirk*! -William A. Padron ["MaBSTOA"]
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Posted by W.B.* on Sun Jan 8 21:42:17 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* I know that at least prior to 1968, Fishbowl exteriors had two small ad racks in the rear section after the rear (center) exit door, and sandwiched on each end of the rear wheel section; when between then and 1969 would the very rear ad racks have been removed? But the 81 bus with the green type used a serif font that was once omnipresent on the exteriors of Fifth Avenue Coach and New York City Omnibus livery (to spell out bus numbers), and would have come to the TA via MaBSTOA after that agency took over all the Fifth Avenue Coach Lines and Surface Transit routes in 1962.
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Posted by jimmymc25* on Mon Jan 9 00:57:24 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 8 16:04:47 2023.* You're not alone.
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Mon Jan 9 05:20:24 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Jan 9 00:57:24 2023.* Me, too!
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Posted by Snilcher* on Mon Jan 9 09:52:49 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jan 8 16:45:13 2023.* As pointed out before, there was little or no confusion possible between Brooklyn and Queens route numbers. The only two shared numbers that touched one another were the B53 on Metropolitan Ave. and the Q53 on Woodhaven Blvd. - and the Q53 didn't even stop at that intersection. Plus the buses were of different colors since the Queens route was a Triboro bus.
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Mon Jan 9 11:48:12 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jan 8 16:45:13 2023.* At least they brought the boro prefixes back starting with the 1971? Fishbowls (6000 series)
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jan 9 13:28:02 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Mon Jan 9 09:52:49 2023.* As stated the last time this topic came up, the closest was the B35/Q35, but even then the didn’t connect directly and were still some distance apart, so I doubt there was ever any confusion.
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Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Mon Jan 9 13:55:45 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* VERY COOL!
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Posted by Snilcher* on Mon Jan 9 14:35:59 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jan 9 11:48:12 2023.* And since displaying the borough prefixes on roll signs exposed the massive route number duplications in Manhattan, that was followed up by the extensive (and long overdue) renumbering of Manhattan routes in 1974?.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jan 9 15:28:40 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 8 21:05:05 2023.* That building on the left has since been repainted, but it looks like this is at Jamaica Depot. Thanks Stephen Bauman for the clue about the ad.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Mon Jan 9 21:45:47 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jan 9 11:48:12 2023.* They were 1972 and 73s.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Jan 10 04:17:50 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* VERY NICE PHOTOS CLASSIC BUSES
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Posted by W.B.* on Tue Jan 10 05:58:15 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Mon Jan 9 14:35:59 2023.* 1974, yep. Because there were two M15's under this scheme (TA's First and Second Avenues line and MaBSTOA's NYCO Division 23rd Street crosstown), the ex-FACCo Jackson Heights line became known as QM15 - which unwittingly duplicated the Green Bus Lines' Lindenwood-Manhattan express route. The Elmhurst crosstown, meanwhile, was now QM16 - which likewise was duplicative of GBL's Rockaway Park-Manhattan express route.
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Posted by W.B.* on Tue Jan 10 06:03:25 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 8 17:31:06 2023.* Bus #81 was carrying numerals that were handed down from the FACCo / NYCO side of the fence.
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Posted by W.B.* on Tue Jan 10 06:05:06 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jan 8 16:25:01 2023.* And from the Election Day date, taken in 1963.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Jan 10 06:51:10 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 10 06:03:25 2023.* Bus #81 was carrying numerals that were handed down from the FACCo / NYCO side of the fence. Was #81 delivered new with hose painted on numbers and not the gold decals ? Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Jan 10 10:15:29 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 10 06:05:06 2023.* I figured that out by looking up the name of the person running for council at large, who was elected in 1963.
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Posted by Mack C-49* on Tue Jan 10 10:51:57 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 10 06:03:25 2023.* If I am not mistaken, 81 was delivered to NYCTA in 1959 with gold fleet numbers and white lettering above the windows. Early repaints of those buses had light green lettering above the windows and stencil painted fleet numbers not unlike the old look repaints. The gold decals came back in later repaints.
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Posted by W.B.* on Tue Jan 10 12:46:05 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 10 06:51:10 2023.* Based on the spacing of the TA script on top, this was a repaint, ergo the '81' numerals on at the point that photo was taken replaced the gold leaf numerals (which dated back to Brooklyn Bus and B&QT days, even so far as their numbers displayed on the exteriors of Peter Witt streetcars, and whose use continued up to the point the 'M' logo was replaced in 1993-94 with the angled 'MTA' logo used for New York City Transit/New York City Bus/Bus to the present day) originally on it. What you call "painted on" numbers, as I said, would have been, pre-1962, exclusively on FACO, NYCO and Surface Transit divisions' bus fleet. (ST, especially, since Fifth Avenue Coach Lines acquired it back in December 1956.) They too were decals, and up to the 1940's were also gold leaf.
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Posted by W.B.* on Tue Jan 10 12:49:07 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Mack C-49 on Tue Jan 10 10:51:57 2023.* You're not. I saw, among the pics out there, a TA bus #51 in a 1972 pic running the M-15 First and Second Avenues line, with the same green numbering. Also originally, the whitish-green lettering above the windows were closer spaced between words.
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Posted by WayneJay* on Tue Jan 10 12:56:51 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Awesome! t's such a treat to see these old photos with these buses still being in new/newish condition. As always, thank you for sharing.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Jan 10 16:32:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 10 12:46:05 2023.* Thank you Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Jan 10 16:33:36 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 10 12:56:51 2023.* Awesome! t's such a treat to see these old photos with these buses still being in new/newish condition. As always, thank you for sharing. You're welcome WayneJay. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Tue Jan 10 18:12:48 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* Those "BAT WING" ads made it difficult for standees to see out.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Jan 10 18:53:35 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 10 18:12:48 2023.* They should have gotten on the bus sooner so they could have gotten a seat.
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Tue Jan 10 19:16:00 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 10 18:53:35 2023.* Or practiced years of poor nutritional habits and thus not reaching full growth potential thereby being shorter and being able to use lower windows!!
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Jan 10 19:22:44 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 10 19:16:00 2023.* Or banzai
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit* on Tue Jan 10 20:59:36 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 9 15:28:40 2023.* I agree about the location. I remember 2055 operating out of Jamaica Depot.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 11 03:29:43 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* AWESOME!
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Wed Jan 11 11:49:33 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* The fellow wearing the glasses on the right, thats my seat of choice he is in. Was it only the Queens Green Bus Line that had a single longitudinal seat located by the emergency door?
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman* on Wed Jan 11 14:36:24 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023.* I think this photo is on 86th Street, either at 13th or 14th Avenues, facing Dyker Beach Park. --Mark
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Wed Jan 11 17:21:51 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jan 11 14:36:24 2023.* Notice the big "M" logo with the word "transit" underneath it. This was used for the TA buses. MaBSTOA buses used "M" surface. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Mon Jan 16 13:34:27 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 9 13:28:02 2023.* The M3 and Bx3 intersect at St. Nicholas Avenue and West 181st Street, but I don't think there's much confusion between the two.
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Posted by Snilcher* on Mon Jan 16 14:18:50 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 16 13:34:27 2023.* And there wouldn't have been any confusion at all if the Bx3 had retained its original designation as the Bx38. (The original Bx3, now the Bx17, was nowhere near Manhattan.)
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Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Mon Jan 16 16:03:53 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Mon Jan 16 14:18:50 2023.* Yeah I remember noticing that on an old Bronx bus map (as well as the baffling lack of bus service on White Plains Road south of Morris Park Avenue, and many branches of the Bx40 in Throgs Neck back then), and it really seems like they renumbered it to the Bx3 for no reason. They could have renamed the Bx3 during the recent redesign too since there are a lot of free route numbers available in The Bronx, but I guess they figured it wasn't the effort.
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