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Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014 FULL (Draft) REPORT, pdf link: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/transportation/western_queens_transportation_study.pdfThe blossoming areas of Long Island City and Astoria need better connections to tech hubs in Brooklyn, as well as Roosevelt Island and LaGuardia Airport. So say city planners, who are suggesting a slew of changes to better connect rapidly developing areas of Western Queens to job centers across the city. Among the possibilities included in a city study, issued this week, are the creation of a new transit corridor — potentially serviced by an express bus — that would extend from LaGuardia to Downtown Brooklyn. The city also proposed the expansion of bus and ferry service to service Astoria’s rapidly developing waterfront neighborhoods. Among other possibilities: 1. Extending service to Roosevelt Island on the Q19 (Astoria Blvd. to Main St.) and Q39 (Queensboro Plaza to Ridgewood) bus routes. 2. Eliminating the Q102, which runs between Manhattan, Roosevelt Island and Astoria. 3. Adding express service on the N and Q subway lines at the Ditmars Blvd., Astoria Blvd. and Queensboro Plaza stops. 4. Calming traffic along Vernon Blvd., 21st St. and Crescent St. including the addition of crosswalks and curb bumpouts. 5. Converting metered lots at Vernon Blvd. and Jackson Ave. into so-called green medians. 6. Improving bike travel to Roosevelt Island by upgrading a path along 36th Ave. Some objected to elements of the proposals — such as the new ferry service — that seemed geared to accommodate Astoria Cove, which is still under public review. “It shouldn’t work like that,” said housing advocate Jaron Benjamin, who has helped muster opposition to the contentious waterfront development by those who want to see more affordable housing. “I hope the administration isn’t jumping the gun, here.” The proposals, which have been in the works since April 2013, would also benefit residents of the Astoria, Ravenswood and Queensbridge houses, officials countered. “Connecting those populations better through transportation ideas . . . is an important strategy that has gotten more attention and focus with this administration,” said John Young, Queens director of the Department of City Planning. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/city-drafts-proposal-better-connect-queens-brooklyn-article-1.1966581       Close up on the bus map...   |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Sat Oct 11 14:44:41 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. I get with the idea of the new College being place in Roosevelt Island for replacing the Q 102 with the Q 19 and Q 39 but why not consider the B 32 extension to Roosevelt Island. It would provide another tech route and alternative to the B 62 problem, also replacing the B 67 extension with the B 32 to either Sands St or Jay St - Metrotech Station. Would have more benefits than the current B 32 / B 67 setup |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by mike nash on Sat Oct 11 15:32:36 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by B49 Limited on Sat Oct 11 14:44:41 2014. question, where is the southern broklym terial of the new q105. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 15:43:20 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by mike nash on Sat Oct 11 15:32:36 2014. The crappy map shows the Q105 southern terminal is at the Hunters Point Ferry area.The green dash line is the LGA and Downtown Brooklyn route. I don't why there draw the line there since there is no bridge there. Only bridge linking between the two boroughs is the Pulaski Bridge. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Oct 11 17:41:54 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 15:43:20 2014. Doesn't Greenpoint Avenue Bridge connect Queens and Brooklyn? |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Oct 11 17:57:28 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. There are a whole ton of flaws with this proposal:First of all, they want the Q19 to loop around the Astoria Houses and loop around both Roosevelt Island hospitals on top of that? (Presumably, it would end at the southern hospital) Second of all, I'm not seeing the point of the Q105. I really don't think there's that many people traveling from the Steinway corridor down to Hunters Point. (On the bright side, it provides a fairly reliable supplement to the Q101). Third of all, where is the Q67 supposed to be extended to? Really, I don't think there's a point in that. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 11 18:14:16 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. Local stops in the peak direction to lose Q service ? |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Oct 11 19:16:48 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Oct 11 17:57:28 2014. the hospital at the southern end of Roosevelt island is going away, it will be replaced by the cornell/technion project which will likely merit service. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 22:55:19 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by northshore on Sat Oct 11 17:41:54 2014. No, Im talking about the in the red circle that is highlighted... The left side, green dash line on the Newtown Creek. There is no crossing other then the Pulaski Bridge. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Sat Oct 11 23:31:14 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 22:55:19 2014. That green link is the proposed (and was used during the G shutdown in the summer) of a ferry link. As mention the only way in that area to cross the creek is the Greenpoint Br and Pulaski Br |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 00:09:37 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by B49 Limited on Sat Oct 11 23:31:14 2014. The Greenpoint Bridge doesn't really go to LICity. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Sun Oct 12 12:38:20 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. Are they also cutting the Q101 in half to make the Q105? Why didn't they just extend the Q101 further south to Hunters Point? |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 12:49:25 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Nyctransitman on Sun Oct 12 12:38:20 2014. The 101 has to go into Manhattan. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 12:50:51 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Nyctransitman on Sun Oct 12 12:38:20 2014. The 101 has to go into Manhattan.They are not cutting the 101 at all. They have the 105's north terminus at Astoria Blvd. The 101 is unchanged. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Oct 12 21:30:26 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 12:50:51 2014. That's a bad place to turn it around, too. There's no real good option. If Astoria South is used, then it is obligated to make a right unto Astoria and a right unto 42nd Street, two streets to the right of Steinway. If it's North, then it's obligated to make a left into Astoria and operate all the way to 37th Street, and then back to Astoria/Steinway. Or it could go to 23rd Road, right to 42nd Street and back unto Astoria/Steinway. And ridership above Astoria is not real heavy, save for the workers on 20th Avenue. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 22:25:05 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Oct 12 21:30:26 2014. They should turn it at Ditmars for the q69 connection. Left at Ditmars, south on 38th, east on 23rd. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Oct 12 22:48:48 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 22:55:19 2014. They could (GASP) build one |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Oct 12 22:59:08 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. I've always suggested a ferry stop at RI and Astoria Cove, and another one to LGA. Perhaps now they can do a full route (although I would have had it go to 92nd St after Astoria Cove)Perhaps 2 routes 1: LGA->Astoria Cove->Cornell/RI->34th St->Pier 11 2: 92nd St->Astoria Cove->Cornell/RI->34th St->LIC->Greenpoint->N Williamsburg->S Williamsburg->Fulton Ferry->Pier 11 |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 23:31:11 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Oct 12 22:48:48 2014. Page 13 of study:"Considers the potential for additional crossing over Newtown Creek." |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 23:32:04 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 23:31:11 2014. Sorry, page 16. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon Oct 13 03:14:20 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. Theoretically, it is the City of New York that is in charge of planning transportation for the City, and it is NYCTA and other companies that are subordinate to the City and operate individual routes. However, the NYCTA and MTA have taken the lead in transit planning, have all of the transit planning talent, and will bully its plans through. In contrast, the City has little transit planing talent; the report here is much more of a fantasy "gee-whiz" type of plan than a serious plan that truly considers operating and financial aspects. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 13 14:12:47 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by BusMgr on Mon Oct 13 03:14:20 2014. It is not theory that the City of New York is in charge of transportation planning for NYC. It is a fact. And the agency in charge of that planning is te Department of City Planning (DCP) where I once worked, not the Department of Transportation. The fact is also that the Department of City Planning has shirked at responsibility for the past 35 years concentrating primarily on zoning issues.I am elated that DCP is getting back into transportation planning because the MTA is not doing a proper job. DCP takes need and economic factors in the best interest of the city into consideration. The MTA, on the other hand, only considers its own passengers, and has no interest in attracting passengers who currently use cabs or vans due to inadequacies in the local bus network. You are also incorrect in stating the NYCTA (which exists only for legal reasons) Is subordinate to the city. It is the NYCT and MTA Bus, both subsidiaries of the MTA and the state that does planning. The City has no say in their planning. Back in the 1970s, DCP was engaged in many transportation studies, obtaining funds through federal grants. The MTA greatly resented that and vowed after 1980, to apply and obtain federal funds for planning purposes, preventing DCP from doing further studies and greatly expanded their planning talent. To state that no talent exists outside of the MTA is just wrong. The MTA will resist any attempts at major expansion of bus routes, because unlike DCP which has the best interests oft he city as its goal, the MTA's goal is to reduce operating expenses by decreasing revenue miles without any consideration of the relationship between operating costs, increased services, and increased revenue. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 13 15:00:39 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 13 14:12:47 2014. Thus study was don in consultation with the MTA. I doubt there's anything in here that the MTA violently opposed in the consultation process. It is also a long-term planning study. These are ideas that should be considered as demographics and travel patterns change, that's all. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon Oct 13 15:03:16 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 13 14:12:47 2014. MTA Bus expanded the Q19 in a useful route. It was pretty much pointless when it was run by Triboro for the NYCDOT. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 13 17:08:16 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 13 15:00:39 2014. The bus route changes are not long term proposals.Yes it was done in consultation with the MTA. That does not mean that the MTA agrees with any of the bus route changes. It just means the MTA was consulted and were informed befrehand what the proposals would be. In fact they probably disagree with all of them because they didn't make these proposals, because they are that arrogant. Notice the study is marked "draft". That's what other agencies do when making proposals to the MTA. In the Final Report, if one is ever released, anything objectionable to the MTA will be removed. That is the problem with DCP, they probably will not take on the MTA or try to get support for these proposals. It will be up to the communities and local elected officials to fight for them. The MTA will not easily agree because they resent anyone else doing bus route planning and publicly stated that they do their own planning, meaning they do not have to listen to recommendations from other agencies. Between 2003 and 2006 the NY Metropolitan Transportation Council (NYMTC) did a massive $6 million comprehensive transportation study in southern Brooklyn and presented numerous bus routing changes in its draft proposal. The MTA rejected all of them, and the final report only included some minor road changes, truck routes and proposals bike lanes, but no mass transit improvements, not even any long range ones like subway extensions, because the MTA objected.. They also concluded that new ferry services could not support themselves and weren't viable. NYMTC was supposed to perform other mass transit studies in other parts of the city. That never happened because the MTA is represented on NYMTC's board. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 14 02:22:46 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 13 14:12:47 2014. There you go...exactly what I've been saying over the years.This crap they have been saying about a Service Improvement this or that had Always been a outright lie. Fact is, there has been More service operated in the past,than there is today..even though there has been a ridership increase. We've All been paying more for less service,and will continue to do so until something is done about the operating agency using Us as a cash cow,with little return. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 16 01:42:20 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 12 12:50:51 2014. How many actually use the Q101 to go into Manhattan? If the Q101 terminated at Queens Plaza/Crescent Street, how many would complain?If the number is low enough, it might justify shifting Manhattan-bound passengers to the Q32/Q60 and the subway, then send the Q101 to Hunters Point. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 16 02:06:42 2014, in response to Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Oct 11 13:40:01 2014. Another thought that came to mind is the fact that Roosevelt Island will be overrun with buses!There's only one main street (aptly called Main Street), and it's not very wide, especially where it carries two-way traffic. Q39 buses run every 5 minutes in the morning peak, 7.5 minutes in the evening peak. When the Q102 operates nowadays, there's usually two buses max on the island. The schedule calls for 34 minutes on the island, and buses are scheduled every 30 minutes. Can you imagine if the Q102 ran as frequently as the Q39, with the latter's tendency for bus bunching? There'd be more buses on Main Street than any other type of vehicle! I would understand if, say, every third bus, or every other bus would go to the island during peak periods, but every bus would not happen! |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 16 11:17:52 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 16 01:42:20 2014. My 96-year-old mom would complain. She can't use the stairs at subway stations. She uses the bus to get from Manhattan to Astoria. I'm sure she is not the only one. |
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Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 16 11:18:54 2014, in response to Re: Plan to change transportation Western Queens: Extend Q19/39/67/103/104/Cut Q102; New Q105 & BK-LGA, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 16 02:06:42 2014. Yes, you would not have to send every bus there. A lot would depend on passenger loads from the new Cornell campus. |
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