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Posted by busdude2 on Thu Jan 9 05:19:21 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014. I wonder how they would hold a charge in freezing temps and handle snow and ice ? They should have done 6 months of testing. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014. If the hybrid-electrics were a failure, the all-electric bus sounds like an even bigger disaster. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 09:14:40 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014. Very insightful theory. Can you elaborate please? |
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Posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 09:46:43 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014. The MTA Bus Company has had so many maintenane problems with the hyprid-electrics, that the MTA is going to spent millions converting them to diesel. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 10:17:27 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 09:46:43 2014. And what does that have to do with this? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:26:25 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014. Expected operating-cost-per mile of an electric bus is $0.20 to $0.30, compared to $1.30 per mile on an equivalent diesel or natural-gas powered bus in New York.Reality check. Average per revenue-mile costs for buses nationwide is: $10.50. NYCT's operating cost is: $26.30 in 2012 according to the National Transportation Database. They may mean only fuel cost. A bus gets about 2 mpg. So the operating cost would be around 2 mi/gal x $1.30 $/mile = $2.60/gal. That's about right, considering fleet mileage is slightly better than 2 mpg and NYCT gets its diesel fuel wholesale and may not pay state taxes. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:40:14 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014. If the hybrid-electrics were a failure, the all-electric bus sounds like an even bigger disaster.The hybrid disadvantage is due to having to maintain two propulsion systems. Maintenance costs far outweigh fuel costs. Fuel costs have to be reduced below the added maintenance costs to break even. A single propulsion system would reduce maintenance costs. In theory a pure electric propulsion should have less maintenance costs than a diesel because of its lower duty cycle and fewer parts. So far electric energy storage costs has exceeded any any maintenance savings. |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 13:10:50 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:40:14 2014. This has fail written all over it |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 14:36:31 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 13:10:50 2014. Why? |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 16:57:38 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 14:36:31 2014. You tell me why you think its good or going to work |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 17:43:57 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 16:57:38 2014. I didn't say that I thought it was good or that it was going to work. I asked why you said it was going to fail. So why? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 9 17:47:02 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 17:43:57 2014. Dodging a question Turtle Soup? |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014. This sounds very interesting. I wish I had seen this test bus in operation. Are there even pictures of it? Of course, the nay sayers will have something to talk about, given the disappointment in the hybrid experience, but this is a different thing altogether. Isn't it more like a trolley bus with batteries instead of overhead wires? We know that trolley bus systems have worked for decades, and continue to be effective in many cities world-wide to this day. Unfortunately for NYC, the Brooklyn system got dismantled around 1960 just a few years after the PCCs disappeared. "Progress" is often so much more political than intelligent. But that's another topic. |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sat Jan 11 19:59:03 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014. Err, a "trolleybus with batteries" is pretty much a spot on description of the Orion (BAE) hybrid. |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Sat Jan 11 20:25:54 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by daimlerbuses on Sat Jan 11 19:59:03 2014. ...not really. Trolley buses don't have diesel engines; just batteries and electric propulsion. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jan 11 22:33:55 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014. video: watch it at 2:30 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 12 01:03:43 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014. Picture - on the M20This bus is or was with KC Metro in Seattle. |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sun Jan 12 06:21:23 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Mack C-49 on Sat Jan 11 20:25:54 2014. Modern trolleybuses do have diesel engines that can run a generator for off-wire capability. |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sun Jan 12 08:59:39 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by daimlerbuses on Sun Jan 12 06:21:23 2014. Some do, but that's a dual-operation vehicle and really a different animal from an entirely electric vehicle. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jan 13 15:34:00 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 9 17:47:02 2014. He's not giving an opinion; he's asking someone to give the reasoning for theirs. There's nothing for him to dodge. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 14 13:02:40 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jan 13 15:34:00 2014. He's not giving an opinion; he's asking someone to give the reasoning for theirs. There's nothing for him to dodge. Thank you for your honesty and support, Hank Eisenstein. Take Pride,
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jan 14 15:15:26 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 14 13:02:40 2014. Why don't you answer the question that fishbowls4ever asked you five days ago? Do you think it's going to work? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 14 23:40:08 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by CJ on Tue Jan 14 15:15:26 2014. Here we go again....He's not giving an opinion; he's asking someone to give the reasoning for theirs. There's nothing for him to dodge. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 14 23:54:15 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by busdude2 on Thu Jan 9 05:19:21 2014. Agree...I wonder if BYD would be able to get a test in with Metro Transit in the Twin Cities to that end. |
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