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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014 edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d BYD and New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) Complete a Successful Pilot of BYD All-Electric Bus BYD and the New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) have concluded a pilot test on a BYD 40-foot, zero-emissions, battery-electric bus. The test period was from Aug 25(th) to Oct 25(th) totaling two months in service and the final report data has been summarized for distribution. "The general purpose of the program was to evaluate how an electric bus could perform in New York City's heavy traffic, whether the electric bus can meet the twin challenges of operating in the stop-and-go traffic of Manhattan while maintaining high levels of passenger comfort and operational performance," said MTA's spokesman Kevin Ortiz. The bus tested at MTA was supplied by BYD Motors, based out of Southern California, and offers a range of 140-155 miles average between charges. Charging is intended to only be completed at night during off peak hours to reduce unwanted demand on the grid, and takes only 3 to 4 hours to return to full capacity. BYD Motor's President, Ms Stella Li stated that she was, "delighted to see the vision and leadership of the New York MTA" and believes "that electrified transport solutions will bring about not only an economic recovery for the region but also an environmental recovery -- we are committed to supporting these great leaders." New York Transit's BYD 40-foot Electric Bus could operate an average of 30 hours per shift on a single night-time-charge, unlike competitors' electric buses that require en route charging every 2-3 hours. The testing was carried out on different routes throughout Manhattan, including M20, M42, M104, M98, M60 and Bx27. The total distance covered during the trial was 1,481 miles. The BYD all-electric bus "performed excellent" with an average battery consumption of 1.4 miles per % SOC, translating to over 140 miles per full charge in heavy traffic. The average speed of electric bus was 4 miles per hour under Manhattan's heavy traffic. After two months of running, the electric bus's average battery duration was 0.3 hours per % SOC, translating to 30 hours of operation per full charge, as opposed to other competitors that require en route recharging every 2-3 hours during peak-rate times. These uninterrupted operational hours are more meaningful in a busy city like New York, as routes and speeds travelled tend to be short in distance but long in duration. When contrasted to Diesel bus technology, BYD's electric buses are far more efficient in energy consumption because Diesel engines are still idling when in heavy or stopped traffic. "This test continues the MTA's commitment to examine newer, cleaner and more efficient bus propulsion technologies," said Darryl Irick, President of MTA Bus and SVP, MTA NYC Transit's Department of Buses. BYD Electric buses provide several advantages over conventionally powered buses; -- Improved air quality and reduced green-house-gas (GHG) emissions. -- BYD buses that are connected to power-interfaces can dispatch power back to the grid (bi-directionally) in case of an emergency or for optimized grid utility. -- BYD buses do not have an internal combustion engine or transmission and many other conventional components, therefore much less has to be replaced or refurbished every year reducing maintenance costs (and labor) significantly. -- Regenerative braking recovers braking energy, recharges batteries and reduces normal brake-pad wear and maintenance. -- Expected operating-cost-per mile of an electric bus is $0.20 to $0.30, compared to $1.30 per mile on an equivalent diesel or natural-gas powered bus in New York. In April of 2013, BYD was awarded a $12.1 million contract with California's Long Beach Transit Authority to produce 10 zero-emissions, all-electric buses. Then in June, the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (LA Metro) announced a contract with BYD for the manufacture and delivery of up to 25 of the same battery-electric buses. The contract is part of the county's $30-million clean air bus technology pilot project. http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140108-911629.html
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Posted by busdude2* on Thu Jan 9 05:19:21 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I wonder how they would hold a charge in freezing temps and handle snow and ice ? They should have done 6 months of testing.
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Posted by NorthShore* on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If the hybrid-electrics were a failure, the all-electric bus sounds like an even bigger disaster.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 09:14:40 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Very insightful theory. Can you elaborate please?
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Posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 09:46:43 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The MTA Bus Company has had so many maintenane problems with the hyprid-electrics, that the MTA is going to spent millions converting them to diesel.
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Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA
Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 10:17:27 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 09:46:43 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d And what does that have to do with this?
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Thu Jan 9 10:26:25 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Expected operating-cost-per mile of an electric bus is $0.20 to $0.30, compared to $1.30 per mile on an equivalent diesel or natural-gas powered bus in New York. Reality check. Average per revenue-mile costs for buses nationwide is: $10.50. NYCT's operating cost is: $26.30 in 2012 according to the National Transportation Database. They may mean only fuel cost. A bus gets about 2 mpg. So the operating cost would be around 2 mi/gal x $1.30 $/mile = $2.60/gal. That's about right, considering fleet mileage is slightly better than 2 mpg and NYCT gets its diesel fuel wholesale and may not pay state taxes.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:40:14 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by NorthShore on Thu Jan 9 07:48:55 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If the hybrid-electrics were a failure, the all-electric bus sounds like an even bigger disaster. The hybrid disadvantage is due to having to maintain two propulsion systems. Maintenance costs far outweigh fuel costs. Fuel costs have to be reduced below the added maintenance costs to break even. A single propulsion system would reduce maintenance costs. In theory a pure electric propulsion should have less maintenance costs than a diesel because of its lower duty cycle and fewer parts. So far electric energy storage costs has exceeded any any maintenance savings.
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 13:10:50 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:40:14 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This has fail written all over it
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 14:36:31 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 13:10:50 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why?
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 16:57:38 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 14:36:31 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You tell me why you think its good or going to work
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 17:43:57 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jan 9 16:57:38 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I didn't say that I thought it was good or that it was going to work. I asked why you said it was going to fail. So why?
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 9 17:47:02 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 9 17:43:57 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Dodging a question Turtle Soup?
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Posted by mack c-49* on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014, in response to BYD USA press release on the "successful" demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 22:02:12 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This sounds very interesting. I wish I had seen this test bus in operation. Are there even pictures of it? Of course, the nay sayers will have something to talk about, given the disappointment in the hybrid experience, but this is a different thing altogether. Isn't it more like a trolley bus with batteries instead of overhead wires? We know that trolley bus systems have worked for decades, and continue to be effective in many cities world-wide to this day. Unfortunately for NYC, the Brooklyn system got dismantled around 1960 just a few years after the PCCs disappeared. "Progress" is often so much more political than intelligent. But that's another topic.
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Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA
Posted by daimlerbuses on Sat Jan 11 19:59:03 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Err, a "trolleybus with batteries" is pretty much a spot on description of the Orion (BAE) hybrid.
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Sat Jan 11 20:25:54 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by daimlerbuses on Sat Jan 11 19:59:03 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d ...not really. Trolley buses don't have diesel engines; just batteries and electric propulsion.
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jan 11 22:33:55 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d photos: video: watch it at 2:30
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 12 01:03:43 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:08:46 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Picture - on the M20 This bus is or was with KC Metro in Seattle.
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sun Jan 12 06:21:23 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Mack C-49 on Sat Jan 11 20:25:54 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Modern trolleybuses do have diesel engines that can run a generator for off-wire capability.
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sun Jan 12 08:59:39 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by daimlerbuses on Sun Jan 12 06:21:23 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some do, but that's a dual-operation vehicle and really a different animal from an entirely electric vehicle.
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Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA
Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jan 13 15:34:00 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 9 17:47:02 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He's not giving an opinion; he's asking someone to give the reasoning for theirs. There's nothing for him to dodge.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 14 13:02:40 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jan 13 15:34:00 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He's not giving an opinion; he's asking someone to give the reasoning for theirs. There's nothing for him to dodge. Thank you for your honesty and support, Hank Eisenstein. Take Pride, Terrapin Station Featuring the RailfanWindow.com Blog!
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jan 14 15:15:26 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 14 13:02:40 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why don't you answer the question that fishbowls4ever asked you five days ago? Do you think it's going to work?
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 14 23:40:08 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by CJ on Tue Jan 14 15:15:26 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Here we go again.... He's not giving an opinion; he's asking someone to give the reasoning for theirs. There's nothing for him to dodge.
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Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA
Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 14 23:54:15 2014, in response to Re: BYD USA press release on the ''successful'' demo test, electric bus for MTA, posted by busdude2 on Thu Jan 9 05:19:21 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Agree...I wonder if BYD would be able to get a test in with Metro Transit in the Twin Cities to that end.
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