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Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 13:37:01 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:28:13 2013. I echo Gold's sentiment. It behooved the MTA to see whether New Flyer or Nova could offer a better product than Orion. Not to mention where the heck would you get the funds to pay for such a major purchase? Also, when you have such a big order it means that in the future you will need to replace them with a big order and have the entire fleet age at the same time which is awful for maintenance |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:38:39 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:30:20 2013. So that means you decreasing bus service in Staten Island, thanks to you. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:39:40 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:29:41 2013. What? |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:39:44 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 13:37:01 2013. The first 270 buses would of been Orion VII 3G clean diesels, not 90. The upcoming order would of been the same 1300 buses anyway you look at it. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:44:23 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:38:39 2013. Ok fine, I would give you MTA bus's 2008-2009 CTs #2229-2250. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:47:34 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:44:23 2013. And if your short, just throw a damn Orion V or two on the express and call it a day. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 13:51:50 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:39:44 2013. *would HAVEAlso, what makes the Orion VII 3G a superior bus to the New Flyer XD40 or Nova? With Orion going out of business who would have finished the contract and provided warranty services? The MTA wisely made orders from each manufacturer to be able to compare how each fleet would perform under the demands of the MTA. Do you want another DesignLine fiasco? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:53:25 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:47:34 2013. Once again, thank god you not the head of DOB |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:56:13 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 13:51:50 2013. Orion needed bus orders and this would of been a great deal for them. Besides, from what I heard, the Xcelsiors are having problems with their evaluations, which is why the 690 order is being delayed, Again. Despite teething issues with the BAE technology, the MTA never truly had any major problems with the Orion VII so far. Would they of bought as many as they did if they had? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:58:32 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 13:56:13 2013. Despite teething issues with the BAE technology, the MTA never truly had any major problems with the Orion VII so far. Would they of bought as many as they did if they had?MTA does have problems with Orion VII CNG, right now. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:00:29 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:58:32 2013. Every TA has problems with their buses one time or another. The Orion VII CNGs are over due for a rehab/repower. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:02:26 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 13:58:32 2013. The 2003 CNGs are ten years old, what do you expect? That's why they along with the 2004-2005 CNGs are going into rehab. Not sure if they are still going to be repowered. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:08:03 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:02:26 2013. you wrote... "MTA never truly had any major problems with the Orion VII so far"which is a LIE. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:09:03 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:00:29 2013. They already rehab and have found some problems. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:17:13 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:09:03 2013. Blame West Farms for shotty maintenance since most of them are based there. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:17:45 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:09:03 2013. Only about half are rehabbed. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:24:13 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:17:13 2013. JG and WF have the same experience on the lemons when they first arrived in 2003. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:24:48 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:17:45 2013. No almost 75% rehabbed. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:26:32 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:24:13 2013. Are you talking about MBDF? They still beat those POS LFS's and XD40s. The only better LFs are the C40LFs. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:28:28 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:24:13 2013. They are not lemons. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:28:31 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:24:13 2013. They are not lemons. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:29:25 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:24:13 2013. Again, do you think they would buy as many as they did if they were? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 14:30:42 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:09:03 2013. Like their propensity to become Fried Onions |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:31:20 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:28:28 2013. They are. There's been numerous problems with the Orion VII CNG, even when it was recalled many times. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:31:30 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:29:25 2013. If anything,the D60HFs are lemons (even though I love them). |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:31:50 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:28:31 2013. You need to stop hitting the enter key twice. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:32:19 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:31:30 2013. You need to eat lemons. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:32:23 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 14:30:42 2013. 1 bus caught fire. Compared to the large number of RTS's and Orion Vs. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:33:30 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:26:32 2013. No, Im taking about the bus itself. Why are you getting so worked up. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:34:45 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:33:30 2013. Explain how they are lemons. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:34:55 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:32:23 2013. Yet the Orion VII hybrids caught fire as well. Yeah! |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:35:29 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:34:45 2013. I never had one break down on me. I find them insanely reliable. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:37:00 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:34:55 2013. That was the BAE issues (except for #3741, that one was just incompetence, thanks to that fucking non-MTA tow truck driver). |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:44:30 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:34:55 2013. Again, many RTS's had caught fire as did Orion Vs, what's your point? |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:45:10 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:44:30 2013. And C40LFs. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:47:43 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:37:00 2013. There were fires for both MTA Bus and NYCT |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:48:58 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:44:30 2013. Every bus can caught fire with a faulty equipment, and your point is? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:50:22 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:35:29 2013. There were many road calls in Orion VII CNG. Reliability... The C40LF were certainly better then Orion VII CNG |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:53:20 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:50:22 2013. Well, we can both agree on that. The C40LFs also had many road calls (I remember seeing one break down on the B43 back in 2002-2003). |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:53:48 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:53:20 2013. And another on the B65 in 2001. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:54:24 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:48:58 2013. Not to mention that #959 retired in 2004 due to fire damage. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:55:02 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:34:45 2013. Report Receipt Date: APR 03, 2006NHTSA Campaign Number: 06E028000 Component(s): ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING All Products Associated with this Recall close Vehicle MakeModelModel Year(s) ORIONV 2002-2004 ORIONVII 2002-2005 Equipment Brand NamePart No. or Model No.Production Dates DETROIT DIESELSERIES 50G 10/02/2002 - 03/22/2005 Details close 11 Associated Documents expand Manufacturer: DETROIT DIESEL CORP. SUMMARY: CERTAIN MY 2000-2005 DETROIT DIESEL SERIES 50G ENGINES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN OCTOBER 2, 2002, AND MARCH 22, 2005, EQUIPPED ON CERTAIN 2002-2004 ORION V AND 2002-2005 ORION VII TRANSIT BUSES. HIGHER THAN EXPECTED TEMPERATURES WILL ALLOW THE LOW PRESSURE NATURAL GAS REGULATOR GASKET TO LEAK COOLANT AND DRIP ONTO THE TERMINALS OF THE BATTERY CHARGING ALTERNATOR. CONSEQUENCE: THIS CAN RESULT IN A SHORT IN THE ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT AND THE POTENTIAL FOR AN ENGINE COMPARTMENT FIRE. REMEDY: DETROIT DIESEL WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPAIR THE ENGINES BY REPLACING THE LOW PRESSURE REGULATOR GASKET WITH AN IMPROVED GASKET FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 7, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT DETROIT DIESEL AT 313-592-3708. Report Receipt Date: JUN 14, 2005 NHTSA Campaign Number: 05V282000 Component(s): STRUCTURE All Products Associated with this Recall close Vehicle MakeModelModel Year(s) ORIONVII 2001-2005 Details close 2 Associated Documents expand Manufacturer: ORION BUS INDUSTRIES LTD. SUMMARY: ON CERTAIN COMMERCIAL BUSES EQUIPPED WITH VAPOR DOOR ASSEMBLIES, THE TWO PIECE CURVED CONNECTING RODS WHEN USED AS AN ELEMENT OF THE DOOR ACTUATION LINKAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A VAPOR MEDIUM PNEUMATIC DIFFERENTIAL ENGINE, MAY BE SUBJECT TO FATIGUE FAILURE RESULTING IN BENDING OR BREAKING OF THE CONNECTING ROD. CONSEQUENCE: A BROKEN CONNECTING ROD CAN ALLOW THE DOOR PANEL TO MOVE FREELY IN AN UNCONTROLLED MANNER, LEAVING PASSENGERS INSIDE THE VEHICLE UNPROTECTED BY THE DOOR PANEL AND ENABLING A PROTRUDING DOOR PANEL TO STRIKE PERSONS OR OBJECTS OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE. REMEDY: ORION IS WORKING WITH VAPOR BUS INTERNATIONAL TO NOTIFY OWNERS AND HAVE THE REPAIR PERFORMED ON THEIR VEHICLES. THE REMEDY CONSISTS OF REPLACING THE TWO PIECE CONNECTING ROD WITH A ONE PIECE CONNECTING ROD. OWNERS MAY CONTACT ORION BUS AT 905-403-7832 OR VAPOR AT 847-777-6400. Report Receipt Date: SEP 13, 2004 NHTSA Campaign Number: 04V447000 Component(s): LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES All Products Associated with this Recall close Vehicle MakeModelModel Year(s) ORIONVII2002-2004 Details close 7 Associated Documents expand Manufacturer: ORION BUS INDUSTRIES LTD. SUMMARY: ON CERTAIN BUSES, THE BATTERY STORAGE SLIDING TRAY LOCKING TOGGLE WAS NOT TIGHTENED SUFFICIENTLY. THE BATTERY DOOR CAN OPEN ALLOWING THE BATTERY TRAY TO SLIDE OUT FROM THE STORED POSITION. CONSEQUENCE: THIS COULD CAUSE AN OBSTACLE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH. REMEDY: DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND ADD A LOCKING PIN TO KEEP THE BATTERY TRAY FROM SLIDING. ORION HAS NOT YET PROVIDED AN OWNER NOTIFICATION SCHEDULE FOR THIS CAMPAIGN. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT ORION AT 1-905-403-7832. RECALL Subject : ORION/SCI/FUEL CONTAINER PRESSURE RELIEF Report Receipt Date: AUG 19, 2004 NHTSA Campaign Number: 04V411000 Component(s): FUEL SYSTEM, OTHER All Products Associated with this Recall close Vehicle MakeModelModel Year(s) ORIONVII2002-2003 Details close 2 Associated Documents expand Manufacturer: ORION BUS INDUSTRIES LTD. SUMMARY: CERTAIN BUSES EQUIPPED WITH COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS FUEL CONTAINERS, MODEL ALT823D, P/N 1273147, DO NOT CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 304, 'COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS FUEL CONTAINER INTEGRITY.' THE NGV CONTAINER'S PRESSURE RELIEF DEVICES FAIL TO TIMELY AND FULLY ACTIVATE AS REQUIRED BY THE STANDARD. CONSEQUENCE: IN THE EVENT OF A VEHICLE FIRE WITH THE FUEL SYSTEM ROOF ENCLOSURE REMOVED OR OPENED, THE FUEL CONTAINER'S PRESSURE RELIEF DEVICES MAY NOT ACTIVATE AS THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DO AND THE FUEL CONTAINER COULD RUPTURE AND EXPLODE. SUCH AN EXPLOSION COULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURIES OR DEATH TO OCCUPANTS OF THE BUS OR TO PERSONS OUTSIDE THE BUS. REMEDY: STRUCTURAL COMPOSITES WILL NOTIFY THE ORION BUS OWNERS. STRUCTURAL COMPOSITES HAS NOT YET PROVIDED THE AGENCY WITH A FINALIZED REMEDY. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SCI AT 1-909-444-2503 OR ORION AT 1-905-403-7832. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:56:36 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:53:20 2013. The C40LF did not receive that amount of road calls then Orion VII. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:58:22 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:54:24 2013. So? |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 14:59:09 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:56:36 2013. How about the diesel Orion VIIs? Since most Orion VIIs is some form of environmental friendly bus, we should include the 2011-2012 #7000 series buses. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 15:01:51 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:58:22 2013. I'm not bashing the C40LFs, I like them too, but you are making it seem that the Orion VIIs are the worst buses in the system (which they aren't). Besides, all those reports you posted are from 8, 9, 10 years ago, so that's not really valid. Remember the 2009 Designlines? Those were teething issues. |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 15:02:56 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 22 14:58:22 2013. Do you all still bash the R44/R46s due to faulty trucks/frames? |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Mon Jul 22 15:07:03 2013, in response to Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by R62CNG on Sun Jul 21 11:46:32 2013. Almost 50 absolutely useless foamer posts. GO away you foaming idiots.Peace, Andee |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Mon Jul 22 15:08:07 2013, in response to Re: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jul 21 20:34:12 2013. Bus foamers are just plain retarded.Peace, Andee |
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Posted by R62CNG on Mon Jul 22 15:08:32 2013, in response to Wonderful....(WAS: Proposed numbers and depots for the new Prevosts.), posted by SubwaySurf on Mon Jul 22 15:07:03 2013. We are not formers. Get lost. |
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