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Posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 11:56:05 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 08:32:14 2010. Anyone can ride the b110 route as long as they wear something to cover their head.By the way, orion V #541 is now assigned to Private Transportation. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 12:05:52 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 11:56:05 2010. Anyone can ride the b110 route as long as they wear something to cover their head.You don't have to cover your head. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 12:15:47 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by JAzumah on Thu Nov 11 10:38:27 2010. The upstate issue came about with a non-Jewish passenger who was uncomfortable with said custom being "enforced" with her. It just doesn't work that way in practical application.The issue upstate was on a single run where the bus had a curtain, because commuters on that particular trip held a morning prayer service on the bus. It was "enforced" because if a woman entered the men's section, it would disrupt the service; the participants couldn't simply move if they desired. IIRC, the curtain didn't even cover the whole bus and there was also a mixed seating area, but one non-regular passenger wanted to make an issue out of it. The B110 is a different situation - there's no curtain and there's no prayer service. There is a widely held custom in the community it serves that men and women who aren't married to each other should not touch each other, so as a courtesy they ask that people stand separately when the bus is crowded - and in Yiddish, no less, so people who don't hold by this custom don't even need to worry about it. The only way it is "enforced" is if a passenger gets on and sits or stands next to another passenger of the opposite gender, the other passenger might move. I'm not aware of any state law prohibiting passengers on a bus from moving from one place to another if they want to. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 11 15:18:00 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 11:56:05 2010. Where'd you get that? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:38 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 10 15:55:09 2010. [I]f Private Transportation discriminated on the basis of religion and/or sex then someone might have reason to complain.The company's published "rule" relating to women boarding first suggests that the company does in fact discriminate on the basis of sex. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:41 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 10 15:51:11 2010. What's Private losing again?Their right to operate as a common carrier. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:42 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 10 23:44:41 2010. Which makes the rules only guidelines. So they are not rules.That's exactly the point that was made and why the word "rules" was written in quotation marks: it is not quite clear if in fact what is published is a "rule" or merely an advisory regarding courtesy. I'm not quite sure hwo the company intends it to be taken, but I see danger in having the word "rule" associated with it. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:45 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 10 16:05:35 2010. Greyhound's customers included (and continue to include) black, white, and other races. Southern whites were Greyhound customers, possessed most political and economic power, a majority of whom wanted segregated buses, and that desire could be enforced (either legally, economically, or otherwise). While a majority of southern blacks may not have wanted segregated buses, Greyhound acquiesced to those demands of their customers with the political and economic power.While race may no longer be an issue, other issues remain where companies make decisions based on the political and economic power of their customers. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:47 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 10 22:54:31 2010. I believe that, pursuant to its franchise agreement, the bus company must publish and have available for distribution timetables for route B110. I wonder if the City actually enforces that requirement by examining the printed B110 timetables. If it does examine the timetables for franchise compliance, does the City understand what is printed in Yiddish, and if so, does it care about the content? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:21:15 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:41 2010. Their right to operate as a common carrier.If the upstate carrier was only at risk of losing a state subsidy for having segregated seating (and didn't even lose that subsidy), why would the B110 be at risk of losing its franchise altogether, even though it doesn't have segregated seating? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:22:38 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:47 2010. I believe that, pursuant to its franchise agreement, the bus company must publish and have available for distribution timetables for route B110. I wonder if the City actually enforces that requirement by examining the printed B110 timetables. If it does examine the timetables for franchise compliance, does the City understand what is printed in Yiddish, and if so, does it care about the content?If the franchise agreement requires them to publish timetables, the only relevant information that should be enforced are the times. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:24:36 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:42 2010. That's exactly the point that was made and why the word "rules" was written in quotation marks: it is not quite clear if in fact what is published is a "rule" or merely an advisory regarding courtesy. I'm not quite sure hwo the company intends it to be taken, but I see danger in having the word "rule" associated with it.Since the "rule" in question is printed only in Yiddish, it should be obvious how the company intends it to be taken. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Nov 11 16:27:09 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 10 23:01:24 2010. Just the southern whites didn't want it. The southern blacks' opinion didn't could and they could have a bus to themselves without drawing attention from the KKK. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:29:44 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:45 2010. Greyhound's customers included (and continue to include) black, white, and other races. Southern whites were Greyhound customers, possessed most political and economic power, a majority of whom wanted segregated buses, and that desire could be enforced (either legally, economically, or otherwise). While a majority of southern blacks may not have wanted segregated buses, Greyhound acquiesced to those demands of their customers with the political and economic power.Two major differences between Jim Crow and the B110: First, while a significant number of Blacks rode Greyhound and were relegated to the back of the bus, the B110's clientele is almost exclusively Jews who prefer to observe a certain custom of modesty. Second, the "rule" on the B110 is self-imposed by those passengers and those who don't follow the custom are free to break it, while Blacks who tried to sit in the front of the bus or refused to yield their seats to Whites were arrested, assaulted, or both. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Nov 11 16:33:27 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 11 15:18:00 2010. Yeah, I rode it a lot, and they never metioned that to me. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Nov 11 16:34:25 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:47 2010. They might just send a schedule that doesn't have anything in Yiddish. Private Transportation has made schedules like that. |
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Posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 16:48:33 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 12:05:52 2010. You kind of have to look like you know where you are going. I boarded the bus today(nice driver..he used to do the Williamsburg Trolley line) and he did ask me where i was going.The fare is $2.50 and the line is covered by Orion V and Gillig Phantom(i know there are Gillg low floors too but did not see them)-here is what was seen: Orion V: 507,541*(the one i was on). Gillig: 504(on Williamsburg Trolley line),#515. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Nov 11 16:50:23 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:22:38 2010. If the city sees that timetable, someone might get upset. After all, if the city allows "segregation" on a public bus line, then the city gets sued. I don't think the city has seen that timetable. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Nov 11 16:57:35 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 16:48:33 2010. Hey, caine, what kind of engine did #541 have? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 17:23:51 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Nov 11 16:57:35 2010. Hey, caine, what kind of engine did #541 have?DD Series 50 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 11 18:55:00 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 16:48:33 2010. You don't have to cover your head. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 11 18:56:48 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:42 2010. Then why did you make a big deal about it here? Obviously all evidence points to this not being a rule. You knew this, yet you still made a big deal about it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 11 18:57:51 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 11 15:43:38 2010. No it doesn't, since it's not a rule. |
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Posted by B1bus on Fri Nov 12 01:50:52 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by caine515 on Thu Nov 11 16:48:33 2010. He asked you to make sure you were on the right bus, and NOT lost. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Nov 12 15:02:43 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:21:15 2010. Whether or not Private Transportation has or requires segregated seating (or for that matter, segregated standing) is a question of fact for which the answer is not obvious. Segregated seating "requirements" might not be de jure but could be de facto. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Nov 12 15:02:44 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:24:36 2010. The language is indeed another issue. A line of U.S. Supreme Court cases upholding administrative regulations support the proposition that the limitation on languages used for communication of information may be indicative of discrimination on the basis of national origin. Thus, it is conceivable that Private Transportation might also have that concern (i.e., national origin discrimination) as well, especially if, as has been suggested, the "rule" applies only to those people who understand Yiddish. (And for that matter, contracts need not be written in English to be enforceable.)In short, the company seems to be living dangerously in publishing this type of text. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Nov 12 15:02:45 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 11 16:29:44 2010. I've been reading mixed messages about B110 passengers who don't want to be sex-segregated. Suppose a Jewish woman who does not believe in sex segregation sat down in the front of the bus and alongside a male passenger. What result, both with respect to the passengers and to the company? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Nov 12 15:12:02 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 11 18:56:48 2010. Obviously all evidence points to this not being a rule. You knew this, yet you still made a big deal about it.The relevant text is written below an introductory phrase that explains that what follows are "rules." A reasonable person, literate in Yiddish, could understand that Yiddish text to constitute the imposition of a rule. |
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Posted by Bjc3914 on Wed Dec 1 19:25:59 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 10 22:54:31 2010. When the first part of the bus is filled with men, women are not permitted to pass through this part of the bus to look for seats. In this case, women will be permitted to board through the rear door after paying their fare.I know on sundays,they sometimes use ex-Bee line MCI's,so how can a female enter the crowded bus when there's no back door?they just wait for the next bus? |
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Posted by Davidy on Wed Dec 1 22:08:16 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Bjc3914 on Wed Dec 1 19:25:59 2010. Why do you care? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 2 16:33:20 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Davidy on Wed Dec 1 22:08:16 2010. Why do you need to know? |
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Posted by Bjc3914 on Thu Dec 2 17:34:39 2010, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Davidy on Wed Dec 1 22:08:16 2010. Why do you care to respond? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 21 19:49:02 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 10 16:05:35 2010. 'The same was true in the south as well. For the most part, bus companies did not really care how passengers were seated (as all money is green). Greyhound operated non-segregated service in the north and segregated service in the south only because that was what the "customers want[ed] . . . in place." 'So you're saying southern Blacks preferred the back of the bus? :O Actually, a lot of them did. Not all southern blacks were heroes, and a large number of them preferred not to have their names printed in newspapers, get fired, have their loans called in, etc: if sitting in a different seat on a bus was what it took to achieve that, they would do it out of choice. Yes, it sucked as a system, and one cannot really forgive the incompetence of President Grant or the cravenness of President Hayes, but for ordinary African Americans at the time, rocking the boat was not the road to personal gain. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Oct 21 19:53:17 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 21 19:49:02 2011. Stop Dand124-ing (formerly known as Olog-ing). |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Oct 21 20:09:43 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Oct 21 19:53:17 2011. B110 is so popular...☺ |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 21 20:26:16 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Oct 21 19:53:17 2011. No, it's not a matter of trolling. It's just that it took an individual who was ready to move to Detroit after making her stand to make it. It's not right, but it's how things were, and it's because Reconstruction failed. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 21 21:35:30 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 21 19:49:02 2011. but for ordinary African Americans at the time, rocking the boat was not the road to personal gain."Rocking the Boat" Is a understatement you couldnt even move in it.. Bottom Line White Folk back then didnt want a n****** acting all upity".. Plenty of Unwritten Rules about, riding in the bus was just one of em.. Keep yer mouth shut stay in your place and maybe maybe we wont kick yer teeth in.. My Dad Lived it the stories he used to tell us.. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Oct 21 22:05:33 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Oct 21 20:09:43 2011. Heh, how did you make that? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Oct 21 22:06:45 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 21 20:26:16 2011. I know you weren't just joking, I also find it amazing that it stayed quiet until now. |
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Posted by B1bus on Sat Oct 22 19:51:43 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 21 19:49:02 2011. The link is no longer working. |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Oct 22 22:55:45 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Oct 21 22:05:33 2011. to type.... hold down the [ALT] key and type code on the numeric keypad, then release both, Voilą![ALT] + numeric keypad [1] result: ☺ table for the "alt + codes" : http://alt-codes.org/list/ |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Oct 23 01:07:17 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 21 21:35:30 2011. Southern white folks may have felt that way but if you studied history and read many diaries and primary sources many of those southern white folks did not care where blacks folks sat. They did not want to be accused of rocking the boat either.Racisism against blacks today is perpetuated by race baiters such as Jessie Jackson and al shorten who gain from the illusion of widespread racism which just does not exist . It just so happens that many urban blacks do not conform to the societal norms iand thus get treated differently due to their actions and not race. Are there some racist people out there . Of course there are . There are racist angry blacks and raciest angry everything else. It is the race baiters such as the idiots suing the fire dept and draining our tax dollars. If the fire dept was so raciest then why do the firefighters ru into burning buildings and give mouth to mouth to people of all raceswithout question? Fdny is the best fire dept in the country filled with brave firefighters who dream of being firefightersnfrom a little boy and thus score high on the exams and wait their turn to join . They then earn their stripes cleaning the trucks and learning the rich history. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Oct 23 01:33:34 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Oct 23 01:07:17 2011. Southern white folks may have felt that way but if you studied history and read many diaries and primary sources many of those southern white folks did not care where blacks folks sat. They did not want to be accused of rocking the boat either.My Dads experinces> What the books and so called diaries say.. Souther whites mostly didnt have a shot at getting thier teeth kicked in either.. You wouldnt know that though would you? Racisism against blacks today is perpetuated by race baiters such as Jessie Jackson and al shorten who gain from the illusion of widespread racism which just does not exist You can back this up how? It is the race baiters such as the idiots suing the fire dept and draining our tax dollars. If the fire dept was so raciest then why do the firefighters ru into burning buildings and give mouth to mouth to people of all raceswithout question? Fdny is the best fire dept in the country filled with brave firefighters who dream of being firefightersnfrom a little boy and thus score high on the exams and wait their turn to join . They then earn their stripes cleaning the trucks and learning the rich history. Im not disputing Firefigthers they are underpaid if you ask me.. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Oct 23 02:57:46 2011, in response to Re: The B110 has a website, posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Oct 23 01:07:17 2011. If the fire dept was so raciest then why do the firefighters ru into burning buildings and give mouth to mouth to people of all raceswithout question?You don't think it is odd that a city with 32% African-American representation has less than 4% black representation in the FDNY? I hate the race card, but it is pretty obvious there is a problem. |
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