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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 06:08:45 2010 Half cabs!The bone of contention has apparently been settled,. Half cabs as originally designed, the engineers did not get their way. Now I'm waiting for all the "I told you so's" to come up. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 07:21:42 2010, in response to Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 06:08:45 2010. SWEET!!!Way to go SEPTA!Also, not sure I've ever been on a 90 MPH SEPTA Regional Rail train before... |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 07:47:22 2010, in response to Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 06:08:45 2010. The engineers will most probaly run these things with the door open, like they do most times on LIRR & MNR with their M2-6 equipment. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 07:49:18 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 07:21:42 2010. The view may be spectacular. If we do that speed? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 07:53:03 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 07:49:18 2010. OMG |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 08:12:58 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 07:53:03 2010. That's what has me puzzled. I'll have to find out. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 08:17:31 2010, in response to Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 06:08:45 2010. 0.0But they specifically went and got them re-designed so I don't know who was saying that the half-cabs were ever coming back. This is simply...astonishing. I'll bet that there was some design problem with the full width cab conversion that would prove too expensive to fix. Still, I am prepared for this to all be some error on the part of the reporter. If this holds true it will make up for a whole raft of bad signaling news I got last night. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 08:22:02 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 07:21:42 2010. Also, not sure I've ever been on a 90 MPH SEPTA Regional Rail train before...I have. 
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 08:37:38 2010, in response to Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 06:08:45 2010. Well, even though I do support full cabs I hate when they block the window. I cannot understand why they cannot use a coating (it does exist) that allows see through operation. BART uses full cabs in their cars (the ones with slant fronts) and you can see through to the front (provided the t/o isn't mean and covers it up). Why can't the rest do that? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 08:59:23 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 08:17:31 2010. IAWTP. This has shades of the infamous article quoting a high-level PATH official stating that the PA-5s would have half cabs. It was right after they started testing them IIRC. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:07:35 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 08:59:23 2010. Yeah, then they turned out to have not only full cabs, but bulkhead doors with no view whatsoever. In that case however the reporter could have mistaken half-cab for halfable cab, which of course they are. In this case the SEPTA official specifically addressed the issue and why the full cabs were rejected. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 09:22:18 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 08:22:02 2010. Where was that photo taken? Thanks. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 09:24:58 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:07:35 2010. We need a report from a qualified SEPTA employee, who is involved with the project! It sounds like that TV show, "Who do you trust"? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 15 09:29:22 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 09:24:58 2010. How about a photo? Click on the link in the original post, then click on the photo of the Silverliner V interior. You will be taken to a photo gallery. Scroll over to Photos 4 and 5.Not only does the car have a railfan window, it has a railfan seat! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 09:37:53 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 15 09:29:22 2010. Could you please direct link this for me? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:53:22 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 09:22:18 2010. R5 past Malvern. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 15 09:54:25 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 15 09:29:22 2010. I haven't seen the photos in question, but how do we know when those were taken? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:56:19 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 15 09:29:22 2010. I would rate this something like 60-75% confidence. SEPTA went through and installed a full-cab kit, then a month later we see a test train w/o a full-cab kit with a SEPTA official saying the full cab had been rejected. That sounds like the full cab was tested and rejected for some reason that tipped the balance back toward half-cab. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 15 10:06:07 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 09:37:53 2010. Could you please direct link this for me?Ripping direct links to pictures from Flash Player photo galleries is a pain in the ass but it can be done if you know how to read the source. Photo Gallery  Vincent LoCasale, right, a transportation manager for SEPTA, watches the tracks ahead during Tuesday's test run of SEPTA's first Silverliner V railcar. (Juliette Lynch / Staff Photographer)  Vincent LoCasale, left, a transportation manager for SEPTA, points at the tracks ahead during a test run Tuesday of SEPTA's first Silverliner V railcar, while Lawrence Ryan, an engineer for the Regional Rail Division, operates the car. (Juliette Lynch / Staff Photographer) John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 10:23:11 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 08:22:02 2010. Sweet. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 10:52:14 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:53:22 2010. So from Malvern to Exton it does 90? Or some other point waywardly? Holy shit! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 11:07:08 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 10:52:14 2010. So from Malvern to Exton it does 90? Or some other point westwardly? Holy shit! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 11:25:19 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 11:07:08 2010. The whole line in there is good for 90mph and Malvern to Exton is one of the longer runs w/o a station stop. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 11:27:16 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 10:23:11 2010. My train got stuck behind another giving us Restricted and Approach signals all the way up from Bryn Mawr. As soon as the offending train ahead pulled off at FRAZER and our cabs went Clear the engineer just pegged the controller and left it there. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 11:34:21 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 11:25:19 2010. It's about 6 miles station to station , Malvern to Exton.A really fast accelerating train may hit 90 , but honestly I have not been on one yet, or haven't felt like it was going 90. Felt like 60-70 to me. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 11:51:13 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 11:34:21 2010. Your engineer may vary. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 12:38:56 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 15 10:06:07 2010. Super sweet! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 12:45:53 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 15 10:06:07 2010. Notice the 3-lamp cab signal displays as opposed to Amtrak's color position ones. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 12:47:41 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 11:27:16 2010. That's a great story, thanks! Those new rails and concretes ties are giving us more SPEED. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 12:49:21 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:07:35 2010. No, I actually emailed the reporter for clarification and he replied that he asked the PATH official if the forward view would be blocked and the official said it would not be. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 12:51:44 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 12:49:21 2010. Good work. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 12:52:56 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 12:49:21 2010. Here's the link to the article but it's not there any more. If anyone can find it, that would be cool.http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-9/120106654850020.xml&coll=1&thispage=2 And here's part of the article I had saved: "Unlike in most of New York City's newest subway trains, rail buffs will still be able to stand inside at the front of the train in the new PATH cars, face pressed to the long glass, to take in the rush of tracks, tunnels and stations alongside the engineer's enclosed perch." Those were the reporter's words, not the PATH official's. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 12:54:04 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 11:51:13 2010. Interesting...... |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 13:41:37 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 07:47:22 2010. It depends on SEPTA's operating rules. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 13:44:22 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:56:19 2010. Too bad that couldn't have been done with the M-7s and M-8s. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 13:55:45 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 09:56:19 2010. The people I heard said the kit was installed ,etc., and it looked terrible.Like Mike said, it tipped the balance. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Sep 15 14:21:34 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 13:55:45 2010. Yeah...there was a little window that's too high to be a railfan window because they couldn't move that little monitor. The kit looked so cheap. I wish I knew where to find the pictures. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 15 14:22:12 2010, in response to Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 06:08:45 2010. How would wider cabs "cost 158 seats"? Not even LIRR or Metro-North had seats right up against the fireman's position on the Metropolitans and Cosmopolitans. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 14:22:53 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 13:44:22 2010. Well those were designed with employee lounges from the get-go. It's like in the NFL where you need incontrovertible evidence to overrule the ruling on the field. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 14:49:01 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 15 14:22:12 2010. I think to add the partition they would have had to remove a row of seats in each cab-end. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 15:40:52 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 15 14:22:12 2010. I would like to know where that tally of 158 seats came from.And I'd like to see the detailed construction of the cab kit, what was removed ,etc. i would think I double seat came out, it could be removed for the test kit. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 15:46:44 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 15:40:52 2010. I would think one double seat came out, it could be removed for the test kit. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 16:53:07 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 07:47:22 2010. I don't think so anymore. FRA wants those doors shut. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Wed Sep 15 17:20:28 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 15:40:52 2010. I would like to know where that tally of 158 seats came from.If there are 82 doubles and 38 singles (120 cars), that would be 158 cabs. If the wide cab removes one seat, that's 158 lost seats. Bear in mind that this information (small cabs, 158 seats) comes from Loser Diggs, whose nickname reflects his reputation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 15 17:32:05 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by chuchubob on Wed Sep 15 17:20:28 2010. Just put them back where they took them from. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 18:32:32 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 16:53:07 2010. When I last ridden the older MUs on the MTA's commuter railroad (Last Fall) the engineer had the door open, I also read on here some LIRR engineers run the M3 with their cab door open as well. That's why IDC about the M7s & M8s not having an RFW. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 18:42:21 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 18:32:32 2010. When I was coming back from LI a few months ago, I was talking to an LIRR engineer about the tinted window in the cab door which also has shield that can block that window completely. He said that he keeps the shield up because he doesn't want anybody looking over his shoulder when he is operating. I wonder if like the NYCT T/Os who cover the R-44 through 68 cab windows in violation of the operating rules and yet operate with R-32 cabs open he is one of the engineers who operates with the M-3 cab door open. I don't know why the MTA couldn't have put the same type of glass on the M-7s and M-8s that was installed on the NYCT NTTs so that the roadbed could be observed but the operator could not. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 18:55:36 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 18:42:21 2010. I don't know why the MTA couldn't have put the same type of glass on the M-7s and M-8s that was installed on the NYCT NTTs so that the roadbed could be observed but the operator could not.I agree! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 15 20:49:45 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by chuchubob on Wed Sep 15 17:20:28 2010. Thanks, Bob. I just did the math, 82/2=41+38=79x2=158.You forget, Luther Diggs would like it if everything was a hybrid bus. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 15 21:48:58 2010, in response to Re: Silverliner V testing., posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 18:42:21 2010. The LIRR management is actually rather pissed about the completely closed M-7 cabs because they can't observe the engineers to see if they are following operating rules. I have been told the MNRR cabs have a view to deal with this issue. |
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