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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:05:12 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:02:35 2010.

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This goes back to the previously stated problem of you not actually reading my posts, and your tendency to merely notice my name at the top of them and immediately leap into a foamy rage. I know it may be hard for you, but if you actually read my post, and think about what it's actually saying, you might be able to formulate a coherent response to it.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:05:51 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:03:21 2010.

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No furocity about it. I believe that you, on some level, provoke these incidents. It happens too frequently to be happenstance.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 23 22:07:01 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jul 23 21:23:27 2010.

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You always insist on arguing with anyone who tries to enforce a no-photography law, rather than apologizing and moving on.

What are you apologizing for?

The situation for us photographers doesn't change when you just run away from them who falsely make up rules. I've been accosted over a hundred times and I don't back down and I do inform them of what the rules are.

We live in a system of laches; your rights are yours as long as you defend them.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 23 22:08:59 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jul 23 21:23:27 2010.

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You always insist on arguing with anyone who tries to enforce a no-photography law, rather than apologizing and moving on

Excuuuse me - there is NO "no-photography" law

Why should anyone apologize and move on when we are NOT breaking the law? The employee should be apologizing for interfering with our photography in compliance with the law.

All three times I walked away with no harm done

Your choice but that just enables the harassment to continue. While I may RELUCTANTLY move on, I report all incidents to the NYCLU, NPPA, CCRB (if applicable), senior management, and all the photo rights blogs on the net. This issue is finally getting national attention thanks to photographers who speak up , in spite of those who remain silent. Do you think we would be getting press attention if it were not for photographers who stand up for their rights?

And harm WAS done - your time was wasted - you missed shots, etc.

It's not worth the hassle, seriously.

Perhaps - perhaps not. Some photographers have won five figure settlements. I could use some new lenses at taxpayer expense!

Our goal is to end the harassment once and for all so we don't have to continue dealing with it and apologizing for doing nothing wrong.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:11:59 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:05:51 2010.

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Nilet RailroadYou're entitled to believe that pink elephants inhabit your broom closet, that I provoke these incidents, and that the Earth is flat if you so choose. It doesn't hurt me.

In the future, please recognise, however, that these beliefs are erroneous and don't spend time uncounted shrieking about how it's all my fault.

Some people have expressed personal interest in hearing these stories, which is no longer possible as I am not willing to put up with the immaturity presented by you and your cohorts. If you find the stories uncomfortable, you don't have to read them.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:14:45 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:05:12 2010.

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I read your entire post, thank you. Persecution complex is a boring trait

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:16:51 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:11:59 2010.

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Oh well in that case, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. If you cannot accept criticism you need to post to your mirror

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:17:35 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:14:45 2010.

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Again, your incoherent response indicates that you have not actually read and understood the post in question.

As you are clearly incapable of basic reading comprehension, I see no point in continuing to respond to you.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:20:51 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 22:17:35 2010.

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Thank you


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Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 23 22:21:08 2010, in response to Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street, posted by HarryP on Fri Jul 23 21:39:46 2010.

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If that officer was a "rent-a-cop" then he would have needed to call the police. If he was an MTA property protection officer, then he likely has peace officer status and could have made an arrest. Since he was *supposed* to be guarding a machine and a revenue agent he obviously had other things that he should have been doing, and should not be arguing with the geese, which is prohibited by NYCT rules in any event.

If he wants to engage you, you have the right to ask for his ID and badge, and he does not have the right to not show these to you.

*I* have been "visited" by law enforcement officers and have always been treated correctly, and never denied the ability to take pictures. As a matter of fact, I drag out the brochure about my railroad, and if they do not break of the inquisition, then I will break out my timetable and string maps, and show those to them. And THAT document is more than 30 feet long. They would rather say thank you and have a nice day than to look at that thing.

I respect Nilet, and his photography. He and I have different political views to say the least, and neither of us will let the other get away with over the top political opinions. But that is ok, because anybody who has a railroad map that looks like a cockroach eating Long Island cannot be all that bad.

Still, I have to agree that first appearance and attitude can be a point of escalation. Probly has to do with profiling of some sort, and there is nothing that he can do about that. Maybe he should take his picture around to all of the precincts with a notice that he is a good guy and does not need to be bothered so much. (NOT)



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 23 22:22:06 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:16:51 2010.

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He can't hook his USB cord into his mirror, though.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 23 22:23:50 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 23 22:04:04 2010.

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More lion food, eh . . .



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:29:37 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 23 22:22:06 2010.

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I have my own ideas where that USB cable should be plugged into. He certainly is thin-skinned.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 22:33:53 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 20:45:39 2010.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 23 22:36:08 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 21:57:37 2010.

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Your jokes are not very good. And that includes the OP. Did you talk this way to the security guard? Should've made eyes instead.

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Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 23 23:33:39 2010, in response to Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 23 16:33:29 2010.

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I believe Nilet has that Ted Kaczynski look going on.



Not really. He looks like a Williamsburg hipster.

OTOH some may think he looks like a Hamas militant.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 24 00:38:34 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 23 20:45:39 2010.

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Then there is my philosophy;


"If one person calls you a jackass, you ignore them but when everyone does, start looking for a straw hat with cutouts for your ears and get used to wearing a saddle."



On Sale Now!

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 24 00:46:54 2010, in response to SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 20:29:00 2010.

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You are awesome! You have exposed the douches in their naked douchebaggery for all to see. They slither in shame, their loathsome phoniness and hypocrisy recorded in their own words as testimony to the judgement of posterity.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 00:56:34 2010, in response to SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 20:29:00 2010.

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Ugh, not Exposé. Nikki and Paolo were awful characters. :-)

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jul 24 01:15:58 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 00:56:34 2010.

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lol @ the Lost referrence [no didn't see whatever season that was, read the summary on wiki].

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 01:16:18 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 23 22:08:59 2010.

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Rights are always worth the hassle.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 02:33:38 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 24 00:46:54 2010.

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Nothing worse than leftist backslapping. You really need to sink this low to make yourself feel good about yourself . . . ? Lame . . .

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 02:34:23 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 24 00:38:34 2010.

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Hope you had a coupon for it.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by rtype3995 on Sat Jul 24 06:16:24 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 23 22:07:01 2010.

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I.A.W.T.P.........
Lion,ta policy is if someone asks for your badge or pass #,he/she has to relinquish it without argument.......



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 08:06:55 2010, in response to SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 20:29:00 2010.

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This was genius on your part. You have exposed them. LOL

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 24 11:19:08 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by rtype3995 on Sat Jul 24 06:16:24 2010.

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General Rule 10(h)...
"Employees whose duties require them to be in contact with the public must during their assignments give their pass number or badge number, without delay or argument, to any member of the public who may request same."



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 24 12:11:00 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 01:16:18 2010.

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Of course, which is why I am shocked to see him attack me, of all people.

Perhaps Nilet's problem is thin skin.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 24 12:11:24 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 08:06:55 2010.

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Exposed who, for what?

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 24 12:21:51 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 23 20:47:43 2010.

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iawtp, he's full of himself.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by R30A on Sat Jul 24 14:22:36 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 24 12:11:24 2010.

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Please. There are ladies present.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by MGL on Sat Jul 24 14:56:17 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jul 23 21:23:27 2010.

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It's not worth the hassle to you.

Fortunately, others will not have there pursuits infringed upon by ignorant Transit Employees.

Ignorant Transit Employees need to stop harassing people pursuing perfectly legal activities.

Michael

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 14:59:55 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 23 22:08:59 2010.

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Gotta stop dealing with the NYCLU. They're working to take your rights away.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 15:01:10 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 08:06:55 2010.

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Eh? Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?

The only thing he "exposed" is that he's completely nuts. But we knew that already.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 15:28:08 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 08:06:55 2010.

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Genius on his part? To expose your moronic logic? You really need to explain how you get genius from his post

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 15:34:23 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 15:28:08 2010.

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These are the types that yell out insults as kids but end up running away when you actually try to go toe to toe with them . . .

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 15:40:13 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 15:34:23 2010.

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I know what you mean.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 24 15:43:09 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 15:01:10 2010.

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He exposed his nuts? Isn't that against the law?



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 16:39:09 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 15:01:10 2010.

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The double standard that you have between him and Harry.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 16:39:27 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 15:28:08 2010.

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The double standard that you have between him and Harry.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 17:01:58 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 16:39:09 2010.

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What double standard? If you mean Harry P, he doesn't post nearly as many threads about these "encounters" as "Mister 'Obama Is Far-Right'", and I do recall slamming him more than once or twice over this particular subject. Don't post BS.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 17:13:41 2010, in response to SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 20:29:00 2010.

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Hee hee hee . . .



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 19:57:22 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jul 24 16:39:27 2010.

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There is no double standard. This is a weekly event with Nilet. This was the first time I recall Harry posting anything like it. In any event he's not posted this same tired story anywhere as many times as Nilnut does. If you call that a double standard then your standards are quite low.. BTW: You take a lot of pictures. How many times a week do you interact with the police? How Many times do the confiscate your equipment? I didn't think so.

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Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jul 24 20:12:21 2010, in response to Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 23 20:14:49 2010.

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I would not be surprised if there are rules forbidding the photography of the MVMs being serviced and other revenue collection processes. And even if there are not, common sense would probably suggest one shouldn't try it.

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Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 20:14:16 2010, in response to Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jul 24 20:12:21 2010.

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Common sense and weinberg are like oil and water. 18:20 is coming

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Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street

Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 24 20:42:21 2010, in response to Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 20:14:16 2010.

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18:20 is past. Do you mean 20:20?

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Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 24 20:47:30 2010, in response to Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 24 20:42:21 2010.

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yes - thank you

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 22:40:05 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 14:59:55 2010.

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Says the person who denies the Bosnian Genocide.

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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 22:45:04 2010, in response to SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 23 20:29:00 2010.

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SubChat Exposé you say?



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 24 22:53:18 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 22:45:04 2010.

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An Apple Box?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo



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Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 23:01:52 2010, in response to Re: SubChat Exposé (Re: Encounter With Security Guard At 23rd Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 24 22:40:05 2010.

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Says the person who believes the word of the illegitimate EU that there was a genocide, when there's still no evidence.

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