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Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 8 18:46:09 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 17:03:51 2010. That doesn't work. By the time the first of the six Z trains had reached Bay Parkway, the rush hour would be over. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 8 18:56:24 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 13:45:18 2010. What the hell are you trying to say?First off..try being less of an asshole..Mister,and perhaps we can be civil to each other. Second..I have to MAKE TIME for "the computer"...outside of working from home. Also..the G is My HOME ROUTE..meaning its the closes line to my home outside of the Jamaica line...so I know about it ailments and and assets as much as any regular rider would. Yes I place every blame SQUARELY ON THE MTA. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:01:01 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 8 18:42:06 2010. You took my post too seriously and litterally at most. All the TA has to do is make the M line attractive WITHOUT making changes to the line itself. Increased service on the M and have the M line go to Manhattan instead of the J on weekends. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:01:26 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 16:50:43 2010. Not enough 4 car pieces of R160's since the service from Met to CTL has to be 8x60 foot cars. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:04:02 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 17:03:51 2010. That would make the Z unnecessarly long. There is a reason why the M was chosen over the J line to have rush hour service to South Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:04:06 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 16:51:50 2010. That would do no good to the riders who currently use Lormier or Hewes who do not need the G train. All that would have done was make them walk farther for the M/J/Z to the "new" station. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:07:15 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 8 18:28:48 2010. The odds of the TA bringing back a BMT East/IND 6th Ave service is ZERO. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jan 8 19:07:54 2010, in response to Re: Nassau Street loop line, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 8 17:11:34 2010. From what I've pieced together from stats posted here over the years and anecdotal details from various bloggers who live along the M, there's likely a countable 65/35 or greater split of Midtown/Downtown riders. When I lived in NYC in the 80s, it was easily that. Inbound AMs, the J & M after calling at Essex plainly had less than half their passengers left. In the evenings, they were no more than 1/3 full until Essex, where they'd get packed. When I was living in Bensonhurst, I'd take the M when I was calling on my Financial District clients. Leaving at the end of the day, southbound the M was pretty empty until Pacific, when it and the B would often hit 80% capacity (largely because service sucked so bad...I'd frequently switch to the D and backtrack from Stillwell just to avoid the 10mph crawl on skeletonized track in 4th Av). |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:12:47 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 8 18:56:24 2010. What's the matter, English comprehension problems?I won't to be civil to you if you think I'm an asshole. If you disagree with what I post, all well and good, but you are the one starting the flamage. I know the G schedule better than you. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:13:32 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 17:48:18 2010. R32/42 do not have a long future. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Fri Jan 8 19:20:26 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jan 7 00:43:01 2010. That's a strong argument for extending service along Houston and/or improving service--perhaps an Avenue A entrance to First Avenue--but there doesn't seem to be capital money for that.You are saying that the V as currently configured has sufficient demand at Second Avenue that could not be met by the F train, right? I don't know that this is the case. I don't know that it isn't, either. I would love to see the numbers. I think we need them (along with origin-destination numbers for Eastern Division riders heading to Sixth Avenue via transfers from the L and the J, M, and Z) to "do the math," as has been argued. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:24:36 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:07:15 2010. Thank you. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 8 19:25:33 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 8 00:33:47 2010. Okay, I'll take that back then. I was pissed off. Sorry.I'm just puzzled that he still won't acknowledge that the nudge-nudge wink-wink story that was doing the rounds in the days and weeks before the announcement of the last proposed service cuts (yes, the version I posted to Subchat) differed from that announcement *only* in this respect, and furthermore they did indeed include the cut of the south Brooklyn M that this would depend on. Things aren't necessarily unthinkable just because Wallyhorse advocates them, however tiresome his advocacy may get. And I think GP38 Chris has correctly identified the reason why that option was rejected at the time. I'm even more puzzled why he seems intent to go around trying to convince people, against the evidence of the nudge-nudge wink-wink stories, that it's not being considered this time. This time, we can even be fairly confident as to the source. And it would be absurd for it not to at least be an option on an internal scoping document. They'll have all the numbers on it already -- they just need to have various multipliers applied to the components. I don't expect a different result (the factors haven't changed that much from last time), but this is one of those things that's so obvious that it would be negligent not to consider it against other possible cuts. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 8 20:30:47 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 17:52:49 2010. These service cuts seem to target lower Manhattan unfairly, IMHO. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 20:52:45 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:13:32 2010. Yeah, it also depends on if the MTA orders more 4-car R160 sets, but I still wished they could've expanded the platforms from Marcy to Metro to hold 10-car trains. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 20:54:45 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 8 20:30:47 2010. I agree. The 4/5 and R can't be expected to handle that area alone. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 20:56:54 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:04:02 2010. So cut the Z to Broadway Junction and express to Marcy [J all local east of Myrtle]. Being shortened it can replace the M. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 20:59:18 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:07:15 2010. It is slim, but you can never know what they can/will plan in the future. So i'll say doubtful, but still possible. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 21:13:49 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 20:56:54 2010. That isn't going to fly with people who live near Jamaica Center. Its bad enough that people are VERY dependent on buses in that area. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 21:18:19 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 21:13:49 2010. Well someone's going to have to take a cut somewhere.Otherwise they could keep the J/Z as is and keep the W to replace the M in southern Brooklyn. Would probably be the best thing since the W would be rush hours only and middays they can make the N local. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 9 00:12:37 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 16:15:29 2010. West End is #2, which is why it has 2 services despite one being redundant and annoying. |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Sat Jan 9 00:50:09 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 7 18:02:44 2010. and what about the E and F through trains that are intermixed with those services? = Delays |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Sat Jan 9 00:51:44 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jan 7 18:32:25 2010. Exactly but the delays at W4 would not be worth it. Even as little as a couple of minutes can make a big difference in the rush. It can mean the difference between a train getting a skip in Brooklyn to make back time, or running normally. It's an inefficient service pattern to try to implement. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jan 9 01:56:43 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by straphanger9 on Sat Jan 9 00:51:44 2010. I agree. If you were to switch lines, I still believe it should be all or nothing. Just because the switches are there, it doesn't mean they have to be used. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 9 01:59:38 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 8 19:25:33 2010. most likely due to the fact that he is being an ass. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 9 02:05:34 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 8 13:26:12 2010. You're not top 5, that's for sure.Yes, Kew Gardens is extremely intelligent. So are AlM, Jayzee, and RIPTAfullofhopeTunnel. Time for a List of Intellects. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 9 02:08:13 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 9 02:05:34 2010. oh. I forgot Bauman and Olog as two of the smartest in my opinion. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 9 02:23:29 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 13:45:18 2010. Plus vandalism/crime would become an issue when the cars are virtually empty in the opposite direction and when the crowd gets off.What are you talking about? The (G) train isn't any more dangerous than most other lines in the system, and still none of those lines have much more crime going on in them because of their train lengths. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 9 02:24:01 2010, in response to Re: Nassau Street loop line, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jan 8 19:07:54 2010. Let's say for the sake of argument, that you are correct, that about 65% of M-train riders are headed to midtown, with the rest, 35% heading downtown. Again, let's say for the sake of argument that the majority of the midtown M-train riders transfer at the Delancy-Essex Street station for the F-train to continue their journey. Let's also say for the sake of argument that plenty J/Z train riders also transfer at the Delancy-Essex Street station to/from the F-trains to continue their journey.I do not have any figures that refute or support your statistic. However if we go along with those figures, then that means there are a few questions to consider. a) Suppose current J and Z trains continue to Broad Street, under a M/V combination route. The above figures imply (but do not prove) that there may be space on J and Z trains for downtown-bound M-train riders. b) Also that some riders 35% (following the figures again) would lose their one seat ride, leading to complaints from those folks. In the recent past riders on the Brighton line who on the weekends lost their direct Sixth Avenue service, the action was based upon a survey of the riders according to the MTA, have really never stopped complaining. Notice how that issue re-appears on this forum often. I won't even mention the G-train riders who still complain about their service changes. c) Doing something because the majority numbers tends to sway that way, does not mean the minority has to like it, or that the needs of the minority do not count. d) Often on this forum several of the recent discussions about the V-train and the M-train, several posters have tried to suggest that "no one rides" the M-train or the V-train. Now if "no one rides" either of these lines why bother to suggest that the creation of an M/V combination would ease crowding the L-train, offer one-seat rides to plenty of folk who now have 3-transfer rides, or the other suggested benefits. e) Why all of this attention to lines, that many posters on this forum says "no one rides"? If it is truly the case, that "no one rides" the M-train or the V-train - then there is little real benefit to such a merger. f) There are times when one should examine the arguments and assumptions of or about a proposal, it is all part of the debate. Mike |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 9 02:25:22 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:12:47 2010. I'm glad for you..I don't work for them..so its not a major factor in my life..Also..I would have to call you an "asshole" if you didn't ACT LIKE ONE.. If You don't agree with the thread in question..then you should have clearly stated so..rather than make it seem like WE were all sippin on the gin-n-juice.. We UNDERSTAND its just SPECULATION on the MTA's part... What YOU don't understand is something very simple... THIS IS A MESSAGE BOARD MADE FOR STUFF LIKE THIS...SO STOP TRYING TO BE A FUCKIN NET COP. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 9 02:29:05 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 8 14:23:35 2010. He needs to grow up...and stop acting like a baby.Throwing a tantrum like that makes him look like an idiot. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 9 02:30:38 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 8 14:48:50 2010. He's a cheap date... |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 9 02:35:58 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 8 13:51:36 2010. I'm getting well acquainted with ATS...it's quite amazing. Can't wait to see more of it in action. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 9 02:38:39 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 17:48:18 2010. The whole point in the possible (M)/(V) merger at THIS point in time is to overall reduce service AND reduce car demands. Extending another line to Bensonhurst to replace a very lightly used rush hour-only service is not beneficial at this time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 02:48:01 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Jan 8 19:01:01 2010. You took my post too seriously and litterally at most.Doesn't sound like a joke to me. What's not to take seriously about: WTF does the Broadway-Lafayette Street/Bleecker Street have anything to do with the BMT Eastern Division? I would love to hear what you've got to say. Saying that you would want to keep M riders off the L is a irrevelant thing to say. Stop bringing up the M and V combo just because a short section of track isn't being used. Suppose if the MTA decided to server that track, what would you do? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 02:54:05 2010, in response to Re: Nassau Street loop line, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jan 8 19:07:54 2010. Your thoughts mirror my experience with the M completely, and until a few years ago, was a daily rider of the line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 02:55:43 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jan 8 19:04:06 2010. Hewes is a relatively low use station, is VERY close to Marcy Ave and the scenario you mention could be solved with entrances at either extreme end of the new station. And for every person "that has to walk farther" are other people that have to walk less. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 02:56:49 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 8 20:30:47 2010. True, but the majority of ridership is Midtown anyway. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jan 9 03:37:48 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 9 02:38:39 2010. True.. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 9 04:39:34 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jan 6 23:31:36 2010. Avenue C Cuphandle now! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 9 04:45:27 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GIS Man on Thu Jan 7 15:31:30 2010. And me is who |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 9 04:46:01 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 6 22:31:27 2010. Literal translation: This goes Coney Island. No preposition. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 05:16:06 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 9 02:29:05 2010. I don't know why people get so upset about this topic. People against this idea seem to go nuts when it's mentioned for some reason. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 05:25:29 2010, in response to Re: Replacing the M with V train, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 02:55:43 2010. True on those who have to walk less because of two stations being combined.The combined stations purpose would be to create a new transfer between the J/M/Z and G trains that likely is needed. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 05:31:04 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 8 14:48:50 2010. Yes, and if the combo line saves money, it's a side benefit of combining two lines that likely will improve service on both.And for those on the M actually looking for lower Manhattan, for now that can be dealt with by a SAME PLATFORM transfer at Essex to the J/M OR the Downtown 6 at Broadway-Lafayette and eventually the 6 in both directions there. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 06:56:37 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 9 05:16:06 2010. I think because we do mention it a lot.Of course, we do mention it a lot because this makes sense! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 06:58:46 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 7 23:28:13 2010. Exactly:And why we were mentioning it as much as we have over the last whatever. It's something that makes too much sense for some to realize why it will work. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 07:02:18 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 8 17:03:51 2010. Or if they find it is needed in the peak direction in rush hours, do what used to be done with the old "Brown R," and have it run in the peak direction only to/from Bay Parkway during rush hours, but starting/ending at Essex Street instead of Chambers so it includes Canal Street and those who work near the DAs Office for instance can also use it. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 07:10:06 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 7 23:34:00 2010. I remember that with the D back in the early '80s when both ends of the Manhattan Bridge were closed. It's a shame they can't use 75-footers in the Eastern Division, or they could when needed more easily have the D continue to Essex and terminate there OR via the reverse ride use the Montague tunnel to get to Prospect Park. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 9 07:15:24 2010, in response to Re: UPDATE & WHAT I THINK ... Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 8 14:35:50 2010. And you get it!The combined line has many side benefits to it that some just don't get. |
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