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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 11 21:49:38 2009 From photos from today in history on nycsubway.org: Wonder if this was a one-of? Looking at the yellow handholds, wonder if this livery was inspired by the then-brand new R-29s? Compare: 
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 11 21:51:01 2009, in response to I look this look on the R-10!, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 11 21:49:38 2009. Subject corrected **gives self gibbsslap :\ |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 12 07:55:49 2009, in response to I look this look on the R-10!, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 11 21:49:38 2009. IIRC six R-10s were painted red in 1962. Whether or not they ever ran in the same train is another story. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 12 10:31:23 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 12 07:55:49 2009. Actually, through confirmed research from some past E.R.A. New York Division "Bulletins" from 1964, and combined with what's in my slide collection, there were actually NINE red R-10's painted. They were cars #1822 (ren-2969), #1825 (ren-2972), #1850 (ren-2997), #3099, #3101, #3137, #3234, #3334 and #3342.I have never seen any photos of the red R-10's running in solid trains as a consist in regular service operation. And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-207th St."] |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 12 16:53:34 2009, in response to I look this look on the R-10!, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 11 21:49:38 2009. I thought they looked tacky in red. They looked best in turquoise/white. The R27/30's looked good in red though. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:25:44 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 12 10:31:23 2009. I actually thought there were 10 R-10s painted red but I was never really sure how many were actually done. Initially, the number plates were not changed and the orange/red on grey numbers were hard to read against the red car bodies and so they were changed to white on red number plates. Once the R-36s came in, the TA began painting the R-10s in a similar paint scheme but unfortunately subsequently decided to paint the R-12s through 17s and the 27/30s R-29 red which while an improvement over the steel dust covered livery, was not as nice as the blue and white racing stripe scheme. The TA was also not consistent with their interior, choosing to paint the interiors of the IND/BMT cars and the R-17s in the original to tone blue and grey while painting the R-12s through 15s in the Two tone blue R-36 paint scheme. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:28:00 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 12 16:53:34 2009. As I mentioned in another post, I would have liked to see the R-27s/30s as well as all the SMEEs in the Turquoise and white racing stripe scheme as used on the R-10s and 36s. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Nov 12 17:58:20 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:25:44 2009. Wasn't there another variation on the turquoise/white scheme on the R-10 which did not incorporate the stripe? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 12 20:39:26 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:28:00 2009. Nothing will ever top the racing stripe scheme. That was my personal favorite. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 12 20:40:14 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by murray1575 on Thu Nov 12 17:58:20 2009. Yes, beginning in 1968, the R-10s were repainted in what I like to refer to as the half-and-half scheme. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 13 07:12:28 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by murray1575 on Thu Nov 12 17:58:20 2009. Wasn't there another variation on the turquoise/white scheme on the R-10 which did not incorporate the stripe? Line: IND Rockaway...Location: Aqueduct/North Conduit Avenue... Route: A...Car: R10 (American Car & Foundry, 1948) 2992 (ex-1845) Photo by: Doug Grotjahn,,,Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 7/17/1971...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 13 08:04:37 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 13 07:12:28 2009. That's it - the half-and-half paint scheme. Nice, but the racing stripe scheme was better. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 13 08:33:42 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 13 07:12:28 2009. And as you can see, this R-10 car was formerly numbered off the 1803-1852 series, based upon the adhesive numerical white font stickers placed on the number plates on those 50 cars first back in 1970. A precursor of things to come when the cars would be repainted in the MTA silver/blue scheme shortly afterward, and with all the other R-10's having their grey/orange number plates covered up as well.-William A. Padron ["Aqueduct"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 13 08:43:44 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:25:44 2009. >>Initially, the number plates were not changed and the orange/red on grey numbers were hard to read against the red car bodies and so they were changed to white on red number plates.<<And when the R-10's repainted into the blue/white paint scheme, any former red cars that had those special red/white number plates went back to the orange/grey ones. To wit, this URL of car #3099 in service... R-10 #3099, 88th Street-Boyd Avenue (IND "A" Line), 9/12/1970. -William A. Padron ["Fulton-Lefferts Blvd."] |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Nov 13 10:28:05 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 13 08:33:42 2009. Some of the number boards on the tens that lasted until 1986-89 were actually R44 stainless steel originals with those numerals taped over them. I owned three such boards. If you can see the board on 2992 is not a very tall board like the second car with originals it would have looked like that even though the pic predated R44 deliveries. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 13 13:10:17 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 13 07:12:28 2009. I like this version the best. Simple. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 13 18:47:25 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 13 08:43:44 2009. There must have been a buildup of crud in the door pockets on 3099 - look at the scratch marks on the doors! |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Sat Nov 14 21:24:13 2009, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 13 07:12:28 2009. These are the R10s I remember. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 29 15:24:10 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:25:44 2009. >>I actually thought there were 10 R-10s painted red but I was never really sure how many were actually done.<<And you might possibly right on that one...i.e. that there were TEN R-10's painted in red. Right now, on eBay, it is a Kodacolor 126 negative showing an interior shot of R-10 car #3219 painted in the blue/orange paint scheme, which I recalled being done also on the rest of the other red exterior painted R-10's as well. It is a possibility, so check out the link... Original-Subway-Negative-R-10-Interior-WF-Colors-Fresh -William A. Padron ["Fulton-Lefferts Blvd."] |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Mar 29 16:29:19 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 29 15:24:10 2011. pretty colors.chud1 |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Mar 29 19:41:55 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 29 15:24:10 2011. I was told that the original interior paint scheme for the R-29s was to have been that orange and blue which was also used on R-9 1741. There was also an R-12 or 14 (I'm not sure which) that was also painted orange and blue. The R-29s through mainline 33s and 36s were painted in a different 2 tone blue scheme and the WF R-33s and 36s along with the 32s through 42s had an even different scheme. I sometimes wonder why a variation of orange and blue similar to the 1939 WF paint scheme as used on the BMT Q cars wasn't used as an exterior scheme for the IRT WF 33/36s. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Mar 29 19:58:45 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 12 20:40:14 2009. Wasn't it at that time that the 1800's became the 2900s?wayne |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 30 08:17:17 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Mar 29 19:58:45 2011. That sounds about right. Thunderbirds forever! |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 30 08:23:02 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 30 08:17:17 2011. The 1803-1852 renumbering as 2950-2999 came during the calendar year 1970. That's right...add the number 1147 to the original plate, and all 50 units were intact at that time.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 30 08:28:32 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Randyo on Tue Mar 29 19:41:55 2011. >>There was also an R-12 or 14 (I'm not sure which) that was also painted orange and blue.<<Here is the link to the car that you were thinking about, and it was an R-14, though... R-14 #5837, IRT Flushing Line (Times Square?), 4/30/1962. -William A. Padron ["Main St.-Flushing"] |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 14:46:32 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 30 08:23:02 2011. It seems that I read somewhere that the reason that the R-10s were numbered in 2 sets was that the 1800s were supposed to go to the IND and the 3000s were supposed to go to the BMT. Car 300 I was told was actually delivered with BMT roll signs. Eventually, however, all the R-10s ended up on the IND until a few made their way to the BMT Eastern Division probably to familiarize BMT M/Ms with SMEE equipment in anticipation of delivery of the R-16s. I would imagine that C/Rs were qualified for door operation on some Flushing Line's R-15s at CIY since Flushing Line cars at the time were main shopped there and the R-15 and 16 door controls were virtually identical. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 14:47:22 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 30 08:28:32 2011. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 30 15:02:41 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 14:46:32 2011. It was the last thirty units in the fleet, G.E. equipped cars #3320-3349, that went over to the BMT Eastern Division in the fall of 1954. They were seen on the #14, #15 and #16 routes at that time, but no evidence (in terms of photos yet) if they ever went to the #10 route.-William A. Padron ["B'way-Jamaica Lcl."] |
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Posted by NY SUBWAY MAN on Wed Mar 30 17:03:59 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 12 20:39:26 2009. That was my favorite too, and the 1984 green scheme. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 18:00:24 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 30 15:02:41 2011. I remember seeing them on the #16/14 St lcl in 1956 shortly after the Fulton St shut down. I was riding an R-16 on the 14 St Line at the time. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 07:57:42 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 14:46:32 2011. IIRC the R-17s, R-21s and R-22s had lever-type door controls as well, or as Kev likes to call them, faucet handles. If you look quickly in the original Pelham 1-2-3, you can see the levers when Bud Carmody removes his door key. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 08:11:19 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 12 17:25:44 2009. The racing stripe scheme was my all-time favorite. Too bad it didn't last very long. |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Thu Mar 31 10:24:51 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 13 07:12:28 2009. i remember these well from the early 70s. some here even remember more than i. these things were stiil in service in 1977 when i was transferred to bklyn bcw and had to get off at franklin/fulton. wanted to stay on to rock bch but had young child. i got bus op job in 1979. my previous job made nycta job a piece of cake. |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Thu Mar 31 10:26:17 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 13 08:04:37 2009. racing stripe. i seem to hear that as it relates to bikini waxes, |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 13:09:37 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 07:57:42 2011. True, but at the time the R-16s were delivered, the only other cars with that type of door control panel were the R-15s. Also, the R-15s and 16s had door equipment supplied by National Pneumatic, even though the doors were all electric whereas the R-17s through 22s had door equipment supplied by Consolidated Car Heating and while the operation was identical, the shape of the two manufacturers' handles was slightly different. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 21:01:51 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 13:09:37 2011. It's a shame they never ran the R-15s in solid trains after they came over to the mainlines. That "Queens cars" stigma really must have stuck. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 21:49:17 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 21:01:51 2011. They actually did run R-15s in solid trains on occasion on the mainline but not for very long. It was right around the time they came to the mainline that the IRT C & S Dept decided to assign cars by electrical manufacturer rather than car type and the mixing started. Once the radio antennas were installed the R-12s and 14s were banned from the C/R position due to C/Rs getting injured on the radio antennas that were being installed. Although the R-15s had inside door controls, the cesspool of incompetence that comprised and still continues to comprise much of TA management classified them with all the "Queens cars" and they too were banned from C/R positions. Even after a smaller size antenna like those used on the BMT/IND cars was installed on the R-12s through 15s, IRT management declined to allow their use at C/R positions except for the 3 Av El which operated solid trains of R-12s and the TA had no choice. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 1 08:14:51 2011, in response to Re: I look this look on the R-10!, posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 21:49:17 2011. If only they had used a little common sense... |
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