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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun May 24 06:17:25 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:55:28 2009. The MJ sign couldn't be displayed since the Q cars had no roll signsCouldn't they have chained it to the front like they did with the NX? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun May 24 08:22:36 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:55:28 2009. We used to call the LL the "lousy local" since by then the Standards were totally unreliable especially in cold weather. A lot of Arnines had the correct route letters added to the end signs but not the destinations on the Eastern Division (although Chambers St. of course would be there). However on many of them the side signs were ok. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 24 11:13:40 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:46:24 2009. That's also true for the R16's, they retained their 1969 signage until the end, so all the cars on the J either were signed as "JJ" or "QJ" since there was no single J. They also had no proper northern terminal signage after 1977, so it was either left blank, had "168th/Jamaica" upside down or was set to "Queens Plaza". What I never understood was why the cars that got the new 1985ish single lettered rollsigns also got "Queens Blvd" on it's northern terminal roll. They arrived just weeks before Queens Blvd was to be closed, thus assuring all R30/32 J trains would remain incorrectly signed for another 3.5 years. Even as late as 1986 I saw an R46 sporting an EE sign on a diamond N run, to assure people knew the train was going to Whitehall, not Brooklyn. That's the way it was back then. Wrong signage, no PA announcements. You had to know what you were doing. Kids today are spoiled. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun May 24 11:31:29 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 24 11:13:40 2009. That's the way it was back then. Wrong signage, no PA announcements. You had to know what you were doing. Kids today are spoiled.Not that it really mattered. Most of the roll signs were covered in grafitti anyway. It a train was moving you got on it. Regardless of where it was going. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 24 11:35:03 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun May 24 11:31:29 2009. Yep, you asked the conductor what you were on and where you were going....if more than one train served your station. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 12:38:46 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 24 11:13:40 2009. EE sign? What was that? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 12:54:22 2009, in response to Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sat May 23 11:59:27 2009. When the current color code of the subway lines was adopted in 1979, did the rollsigns of the route on the trains got them after it? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 24 14:05:02 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 23 23:10:45 2009. That's what surprised me. The R-12s had the original cloth roll signs so Car Equipment could have easily painted out the word "Astoria" thus allowing the proper route designation to be displayed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 24 14:09:41 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by murray1575 on Sun May 24 08:22:36 2009. By the time the R-9s received new end route signs, it had become TA policy not to display destinations on the ends of trains since the R-40s and 42s no longer displayed them. The original IND end destination signs were retained however and merely turned to blank. When I was a M/M on the 14 St Line, I would turn the end sign on my Canarsie bound trips to read "Rockaway Park" since that was close to the actual side sign reading of Rockaway Parkway." |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun May 24 14:10:46 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:51:56 2009. I don't know. I used to ride the southbound F at 47-50 late at night back then and just assumed they didn't bother to change the signs for merely three stops. And people riding the 63rd St. line just hopped on whatever train that came even though they sometimes ended up on the BMT Broadway line. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun May 24 14:20:58 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 21:35:13 2009. He's probably very young. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 14:29:11 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun May 24 14:20:58 2009. No, I'm just asking. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 14:30:46 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 21:35:13 2009. Ok, I'm sorry about that. But I just wish you guys knew more about these stuff. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 24 14:47:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sun May 24 14:05:02 2009. Weird thing about the remains of the Third Avenue El ... once it was down to 149/Gunhill, it wasn't a route that people would accidentally stumble on and expect to go somewhere. It was used exclusively by locals who knew where they were going, and so the route signs were pretty much meaningless anyway. If kids changed them around in the cars, they could often stay that way for weeks. So going to the effort of modifying the signage for the route with the few modified cars that ran there would have been a collosal waste of time and effort anyway. So it only made sense that they didn't bother. |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun May 24 15:19:25 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 22:41:55 2009. Yes, definitely Bway/Laffayette, NOT 50 st. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 24 15:37:37 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 14:30:46 2009. I think they gave you some pretty good answers to all of your questions. Yet, you NEVER seem to be satisfied with their answers. Why? They are nice enough to provide you with info that has already been posted, but you still complain! |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun May 24 15:51:35 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 12:54:22 2009. Not immediately. Some of the older SMEE rollsigns remained, even as late as 1989 on the R10s and 1985-88 on other B Division SMEEs. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun May 24 16:53:33 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 14:30:46 2009. People on this board are usually happy to answer questions. But that doesn't mean that everyone here knows everything. You should visit http://www.nycsubway.org/where you will learn tons of interesting information, and view tons of photos about the NYC transit system.Also visit http://thejoekorner.quuxuum.org, where this image comes from:  |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 16:56:34 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 24 15:37:37 2009. I know that, man! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 24 17:03:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 16:56:34 2009. Then stop being so demanding! They gave you good info, yet you always want more! Why? If you piss them off, they are going to ignore your questions. You have seen some of the nasty exchanges among others on this site. Please, son't become another one of them! |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 17:51:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 24 17:03:13 2009. Stop shouting at me, man! |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun May 24 18:34:26 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 17:51:13 2009. Whos yelling? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun May 24 18:55:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 14:30:46 2009. Remember, noone in here got all the answers all at once.It's all a matter of collecting infomation over a period of time. In most cases over the space of YEARS! You are cordually invited to explore the subways and find out these things for yourself. The infomation is out there. I think I speak for most people in here by saying we'll give you basic inforation about bellmouths and double letters. But noone in here is going to give you or anyone in one shot what took us years to find out. Don't take this the wrong way. You're asking questions we all asked when we were newbies in here. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 19:10:11 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by daDouce Man on Sun May 24 18:55:13 2009. Ok, sorry. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 19:12:46 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun May 24 18:34:26 2009. That person has a attitude problem. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun May 24 20:08:58 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:55:28 2009. From a previous message: "The MJ sign couldn't be displayed since the Q cars had no roll signs. Actually when Chrystie first opened, the M and LL still had steels running on them and they couldn't display the proper route designations either. I was only when the R-9s went to the Eastern Div that proper route signs were displayed."Would it really have made much difference to the average rider if the LL trains (the steels mentioned above) did not have the route designation signs? The LL route did not mingle with any other train line for much of its history. Mike |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun May 24 20:15:23 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 19:12:46 2009. Have you ever posted here using a different handle? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun May 24 20:50:02 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun May 24 20:15:23 2009. I suspect this. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 24 22:05:03 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Dan on Sun May 24 16:53:33 2009. The only problem with the last logo is that, as per existing roll signs, the |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun May 24 22:20:17 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sun May 24 22:05:03 2009. There was a brown R in 1987. It still is found R44/46 rollsigns. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 09:24:00 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun May 24 20:15:23 2009. No. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 09:24:34 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by R42 4787 on Sun May 24 20:50:02 2009. You suspect nothing! |
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Posted by Dan on Mon May 25 11:42:56 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by R42 4787 on Sun May 24 22:20:17 2009. There was a brown R in 1987. It still is found R44/46 rollsigns.And in it's last days it was mostly if not all decrepit grafitti-covered R16s. The brown "Nassau Street R" was to tell it part from the yellow "Broadway R". It's still exists on the R44/46 front rollsigns because all the rollsigns were equipment interchangable, NOT because R44/46 ever ran on the Nassau R or any other eastern division line, period! (Except for one fantrip in 1976.) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:52:03 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 12:38:46 2009. The B'way local that ran from Forest Hills to Whitehall 1967-76. It was replaced by an extended N train until 1987, when the N and R were swapped. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:56:32 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sun May 24 22:05:03 2009. From 1979-87 the Nassau St. R/RR was depicted as yellow. It only appeared as brown on one map (the May 1987 version) and NEVER on any signage while the route was still running (it was eliminated 6 months later). No diamond R train ever used brown signage that exists today. ENY didn't get any of the equipment which had them installed until 1988. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:17:01 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 19:57:15 2009. The F terminated at 57th/6th for 2 years prior to the opening of 63rd. This was the era when 179th was served by both the G and R overnights, which led to many complaints. When 63rd St. opened, the F was simply extended to 21st St. It was always noted on maps and stations as the F all the way. There was a Q shuttle which ran from 21st to Broadway/Lafayette during evenings between the hours the Q to Broolyn ceased running (9 PM) and the B to 168th stopped running (midnight). Prior to 63rd St opening, 57th/6th was served by the JFK express which acted as a shuttle to 47-50th during these late evening hours. So I'm not sure when or why this F/Q ever ran. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:23:12 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun May 24 20:15:23 2009. I just think he's a noob. I asked equally obvious, inane questions when I first found Subtalk in 1998. Until then I knew almost nothing about past service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:27:42 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sun May 24 14:09:41 2009. Also, wasn't signage on the LL at the time really necessary? The line made the same stops and shared track with nothing else. If you got on a westbound train at Montrose Ave, it could not be anything but an 8th Ave bound local. It was nice to see the TA go back to the bulkhead destination signs, at least temporarily, in the 1980's on the R27-38 classes. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 12:59:09 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:52:03 2009. Ok, thanks. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 13:00:35 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:23:12 2009. Of course I'm a noob, otherwise I wouldn't been asking all these questions about the subway! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 25 14:15:17 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:23:12 2009. But you were probably more polite when you didn't get as thorough an answer as you were hoping for. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 25 14:47:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 19:12:46 2009. I tried to give you some basic common sense advice. Why do you keep striking out at us? As for attitude, take a good look in the mirror! |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 14:53:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 25 14:47:13 2009. Whatever, and stop using exclamation points! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 25 15:05:06 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 14:53:13 2009. Now calm down, take your meds, and I'll stop using them, okay? You have no problems with question marks, do you? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 25 15:51:54 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sun May 24 12:54:22 2009. HERE:click here |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 16:00:14 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 25 15:05:06 2009. No, and I'm normal, FYI. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 16:00:55 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 25 15:51:54 2009. And? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 25 16:02:50 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 16:00:55 2009. I thought it answered your color code query. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon May 25 16:15:47 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 25 16:02:50 2009. Umm, no. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 25 16:30:19 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Dan on Mon May 25 11:42:56 2009. R44/46 fan trip on BMT Eastern? |
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