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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 18:42:34 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 18:22:57 2009. Agreed, I remember "R10s" signed up as "CCs" up until the were retired in 1989. However the "C" never replaced the K. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat May 23 18:42:48 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 23 16:58:14 2009. I still don't get why they flipped the AA and BB -- it looks as if it should have only made matters worse. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 18:44:40 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by R30A on Sat May 23 18:35:32 2009. Those signs and the JFK Express to 21st St. were short lived, there are hardly any pictures. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:02:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 16:19:33 2009. The "rule" was while going northbound to change the front sign from F to Q at B'way/Laf. Perhaps there were some inconsistencies as perhaps the non-regulars didn't do that, a regular guy forgot, or a c/r neglected to adjust the side sign readings. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:06:17 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Dan on Sat May 23 17:57:50 2009. That's a recurring problem on this board. So many people have trains on the mind 24/7, instead of naked women, so while they're sleeping they dream of things related to trains happening and swear up and down that what they drempt really happened. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:06:44 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by R30A on Sat May 23 18:35:32 2009. Thank you, I knew i wasn't THAT addle minded. " The F/Q train it is to laugh. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:08:45 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sat May 23 17:30:56 2009. A change like that didn't happen overnight. Do you have any idea of how many signs had to be changed? If you want then "official date", write to NYCT or ask at the Transit Museum. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat May 23 19:11:42 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:08:45 2009. Ok. ;) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:11:50 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sat May 23 17:08:26 2009. Gradually. As old cars were retired or as curtains broke or were vandalized replacement signs were ordered and placed into cars one curtain at a time. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:15:40 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:06:17 2009. lol. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat May 23 19:17:25 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:06:17 2009. That's a recurring problem on this board. So many people have trains on the mind 24/7, instead of naked women.....Too funny, but sadly true! It's called the Foamer Syndrome. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:19:38 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:06:17 2009. Must be something wrong with me ... somehow my subway dreams tend to go more like this:
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 23 19:20:42 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:08:45 2009. The official date, according to R33 was 5/6/86. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:22:30 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:02:13 2009. I ecal side signs. Black on White. But thanks for the support. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat May 23 19:25:23 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:06:44 2009. O.K. But was it signed in front as a true double letter route as "FQ" or was it signed with both letters like "F/Q". |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:29:08 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by Dan on Sat May 23 19:25:23 2009. The F/Q designation appeared on the side signs. Black on white (that's one of the reasons I recall it so vividly. Front signs were "generally speaking" "F" |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 19:30:15 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 23 16:58:14 2009. How long did this last? A week?About two weeks Chris; 12/7/62 to 12/24/62. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Dan on Sat May 23 19:30:54 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:29:08 2009. Interesting. I wonder what other signing rarities were out there over the years? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 19:31:52 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat May 23 16:01:22 2009. Wasnt there an FF?There was an "FF" 6th Avenue Local reading on the rollsigns of the R-1/9's but it never operated. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:33:04 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:19:38 2009. I never have dreams of naked women. Nothing to do with being a railfan either. If you catch my drift. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:33:20 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:22:30 2009. But the R46 have yellow digital side signs with black printing. For many years the only cars on the F during midnights were the R46. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:35:40 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 19:31:52 2009. I believe a buddy of mine signed up the arnine exursion special as FF for a few runs, so even after its days, there actually was an FF lately. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:36:23 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 19:33:04 2009. Your dreams may vary, but I was always up for a cab blessing. What can I say? I was always a slut. :) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:39:49 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:19:38 2009. I know I wasn't dreaming one night in 1982 when I was midnights on the D. Southbound at Atlantic Ave. with 4 cars, I made a proper stop at the north end of the station. Upon leaving, at the south end at the 10 car marker, I glimpsed at a pair of spread female legs with a gyrating naked ass giving this broad the pounding of her life on top of the sandbox. 27 years ago! Just think, if a baby was conceived, it could now be a c/r! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:47:02 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:39:49 2009. Heh. The D had some very VERY attractive "customers" back in my day. And I was young and single too. I'll leave it there. :) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 19:49:21 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 18:42:34 2009. However the "C" never replaced the K.Well... You know what I mean. The C became all day except nights, replacing the K service. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 19:57:15 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 23 19:33:20 2009. IIRC, The F/Q night service predated the R46 GOH. But it was a short time indeed. Since it was a night service, I think not too many people have seen it. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat May 23 20:14:00 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by Dan on Sat May 23 19:30:54 2009. The CPW local stations had Blue B signs, both as circles and diamonds. Very few remain today. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 20:42:10 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:36:23 2009. Nothing wrong with being a slut, nothing at all. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 20:43:34 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 19:57:15 2009. >>>>The F/Q night service predated the R46 GOH.<<<<True dat. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:21:49 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat May 23 16:06:18 2009. The train wasn't called an "F/Q" per se but it did carry an F/Q side roll sign which read "F between Stillwell and 50/6 Q between 50/6 and 21 St/Queensbridge." The M/M were to display the F end sign until 50/6 and change the sign to Q at 50 St. S/B the M/M was to display the Q end sign from 21 St to 50 St and then change it to F for the remainder of the trip. The TA's logic behind this was that rather than confusing passengers by showing 3 services operating to 21 St (B, F, and Q) officially only 2 services would operate to 21 St, the B and Q. Never mind the fact that passengers would be more confused by a train that changed its identity enroute. Another example of the "cesspool of incompetence" that makes up much of the TA's managerial staff! |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 21:35:13 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by bigrene22 on Sat May 23 17:30:56 2009. The problem with you guys is you don't even know when the exact changes happened. ::Rollseyes::Why would you make a statement like that? Not all events have an exact date or time and many that post on this board do try to give the best answer. I had to go back to 24 years old files to answer your question and even then I made a typographic error. I really don't know if you are asking honest questions or trying to start a flamage war. Even though the changeover occured on May 6,1985 you cannot change all the signs on all the trains overnight. I can tell you that I rode my last "CC" on 6/21/85. It was an R-10 # 3198. I rode my last "LL" on that date also. It was an R-30 #8543. I didn't ride my last "RR" until 9/28/85 over four months after the changeover. It was another R-30 8293. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:46:24 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 21:35:13 2009. A similar situation occurred when the BMT/IND route changed for Chrystie St in 1967. Although I'm sure that in 1959 when the R-27s and 30s were ordered and definitely by the time the R032s and 38s were ordered, the TA had some idea of the service patterns to be operated with the divisional merger, for some reason, the R-27s through 38s had a "C/8 Av Express" on their side roll signs but neglected to include a "B/6 Av Express" reading on either the side or front signs. As a result, when Chrystie opened, only R-9s and the rare R-10 that ran on the B Line displayed proper signs. The R-32s and 27/30s that operated on the B carried either "BB" signs or had a black letter on white "B" decal pasted over the "BB" until new signs were installed reading "B/Via 6 Avenue. Many R-9s didn't receive "EE/Via Broadway" side signs in time either and some R-9s had the "8 Ave" painted out on the roll signs so that they read simply "EE Local" with a blank space where the "8 Ave" used to be. Many of the R-32s never received proper signs until the double letters were eliminated and they received entirely new sets of signs. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 21:53:41 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:46:24 2009. Yep ... saw quite a few of all of those ... |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat May 23 21:58:46 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 23 19:20:42 2009. No, 1985. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:08:43 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:46:24 2009. Randy: Your so right. They were building the Chrystie Street Subway for almost tens years and it seems like they decided what routes to run through it about a week before it opened. Do you remember the flyer containing a map of all the new routes but one of the most widely advertised new routes ,the "NX" wasn't on it? Of course from a railfan point of view it was a marvelous time. Nearly every kind of car turned up on every line. About the only thing we didn't see was a Standard on the Myrtle Avenue El south of Broadway.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 22:16:50 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:08:43 2009. If they'd put standards down that away, it would have been "street-running" in no time. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:17:31 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:08:43 2009. At the time Chrystie opened, the area between Bway/Myrtle and Bridge St was railroad NORTH. It was only changed when the M was through to Stillwell to replace the QJ. By the way the QB was an afterthought to placate the Brighton passengers who wanted some sort of direct service to the Bway subway. Fortunately, all the equipment except for the R-9s and R-10s had QB roll signs. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:21:02 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 22:16:50 2009. As I have mentioned before, according to an old time ERA member who is a professional engineer, the Myrtle could hold anything that the NYCTS had including the D Types. It's just that the stations couldn't clear a 10 ft wide car. The original Fulton St structure was a different story since it was a differently built cast iron structure that could only hold either wooden or extremely lightweight cars such as Multis. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 22:25:26 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:21:02 2009. Interesting ... used to ride the lower Myrt for giggles before it was closed, and that bad boy shook something awful. I'd heard that it could barely handle the Q's ... and looking at the steelwork underneath, I believed what I'd heard ... thanks for the info! |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sat May 23 22:29:09 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 14:35:30 2009. I don't believe the MJ was ever displayed on trains although it was on the maps. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 22:37:01 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters ANYONE remember the F/Q train?, posted by R30A on Sat May 23 20:14:00 2009. From 1988: I need to re-scan those negatives one day.... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 22:41:55 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:21:49 2009. I am rather positive that the end sign was to be changed at Broad-Laf northbound as noted by other posts. The notice was right next to the ten-car marker there. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:45:11 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Bzuck on Sat May 23 22:29:09 2009. I don't believe the MJ was ever displayed on trains although it was on the maps.Your right about that. Most New Yorkers didn't know what the "MJ" was for. Pity the poor tourist from Ulan Bator trying find the "MJ" Line. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:51:56 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat May 23 22:41:55 2009. Your probably right. My recollection of exactly where the signs were to be changed is a little fuzzy. Now that I think about it, I believe that S/B the sign was to be changed from Q to F at 57 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:55:28 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:45:11 2009. The MJ sign couldn't be displayed since the Q cars had no roll signs. Actually when Chrystie first opened, the M and LL still had steels running on them and they couldn't display the proper route designations either. I was only when the R-9s went to the Eastern Div that proper route signs were displayed. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:58:53 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 22:55:28 2009. The IRT 3rd Avenue El in The Bronx was still running with Lo-V's and Steinways and they couldn't display the #8 and I don't think that any of the IRT cars had "SS" readings either. Though they did have a "SHUTTLE" reading.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 23 23:00:17 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by randyo on Sat May 23 21:46:24 2009. I remember those pasted-on Bs on the R-32s very well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 23 23:10:45 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 22:58:53 2009. IIRC the R-12/14s had 8 signs, but they had an Astoria subscript. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 24 02:07:16 2009, in response to Re: Double Letters, posted by Dan on Sat May 23 16:11:00 2009. No..I rode them myself many times to and from 21st st...Additionally..nah its a waste of time.... |
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