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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 18 08:53:34 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 00:13:13 2009. The blue doors COMPLETED the look!Here are your blue doors and as a door prize I'll throw in the Pioneer III trucks !  From nycsubway.org...Location: Coney Island Yard... Photo by: Steve Zabel...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 3/8/1973  From nycsubway.org...System: Long Island Rail Road...Line: LIRR Long Island City...Location: Long Island City ... Photo by: Gerald H. Landau...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 11/1964...Car: R32 (Budd, 1964) 3456 Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 18 09:05:38 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 18 08:53:34 2009. Just as I remember them. They're still synonimous with the N in my book; in fact, I still consider the R-32s to be BMT cars since they started their careers there. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 18 09:07:17 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat May 16 16:57:49 2009. July 21, 1965 - a red-letter date in my life. My very first subway ride was on a train of shiny new R-32s. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 16:46:05 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 18 08:53:34 2009. I remember hearing those trucks didn't work out very well. Never saw them when I was there. And yeah, those cars were pretty damned snazzy. Didn't mind working those at all ... |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 18 17:19:06 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 16:46:05 2009. I remember hearing those trucks didn't work out very well.I was told the Pioneer III trucks gave a very bouncy ride. Methinks the public may have complained. Maybe the Pioneer III trucks were best suited for heavier commuter rail cars than lighter subway cars. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 17:29:26 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 18 17:19:06 2009. I remember "bouncy" with the hairbags on the 44's and 46's when they were new. It was strange ... :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 18 18:32:03 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 16:46:05 2009. I liked them right away. That green backlit 57th St. side sign from my very first ride is still etched in my memory. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon May 18 18:42:39 2009, in response to Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 15 19:48:12 2009. I hope the R62's run this trip. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 19:43:23 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 18 18:32:03 2009. Green was in back then on a lot of cars. What really impressed me the first time I did revenue in one was how FAST they lit up when you cranked the lever. Coasting sucked, but they were snappy on the takeoff. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 19 08:04:37 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 18 19:43:23 2009. Big Ed wasn't kidding when he said they jumped like jackrabbits.:) |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue May 19 08:15:48 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 17 01:36:13 2009. Again, wishing death to a fellow subchatter. Bad, bad boy. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue May 19 17:01:24 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue May 19 08:15:48 2009. Of course he still won't be banned for it. But he's been banned from one board and is persona non grata at another board.My Site, check it out. Leave all comments on the forum. You have to register though. It keeps the spammers and trolls out. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:29:35 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 18 17:19:06 2009. The problem with the Pioneer III trucks as with the General 70s which were similar trucks installed on 4 IRT R-29s was that not only did the TA order insufficient numbers of cars so equipped but didn't eve require that all of the cars so equipped be kept together in the same train. As a result 2 cars with the lightweight trucks in a train that had the remaining cars with standard heavyweight trucks made for a poor quality ride. Had the TA ordered 10 cars with each respective type of experimental truck and required that all those cars be kept together in a solid train, the results might have been entirely different. Compounding the situation was that due to certain mechanical problems totally unrelated to the trucks, those 4 cars were held out of service for extended periods of time and the "cesspool of incompetence" that comprised (and still does to a large extent today) upper TA management erroneously concluded that the down time for these cars was "obviously" due to the failure of the trucks and declined to consider any futher orders of non standard trucks. A similar situation occurred with the R-46 rockwell trucks. There was nothing wrong with the truck design per se, but the TA's engineering staff again erroneously specified trucks that were incapable of withstanding the stresses present on the NYCTS and thus mistakenly jumped to the conclusion that the truck design was inherently faulty and overreacted thus setting back truck development for the next contracts of cars until the NTT experimentals of the 1990s. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:33:49 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 19 08:04:37 2009. When I was a M/M, I found that the GE R-32s would buck if the master controller was advanced immediately into multiple from a dead stop. If I put the controller on the first point just to get it rolling and then went to multiple, the acceleration would be smoother. I didn't have the same experience with the R-27s or 30s or the WH R-32s either. A WH R-32 could be placed right into multiple and the acceleration would be smooth. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue May 19 19:37:42 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:33:49 2009. How come full power is called Multiple in any other equipment, but the R46's have it called Parallel? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 19 19:45:39 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:33:49 2009. That explains things! I got 32's fairly rarely and most of them were peppy, others were "bumpy" ... since they were having "cam problems" back then, just assumed I had bad order cars and thought nothing of it ... |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 20 09:39:36 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue May 19 19:37:42 2009. Pullman-Standard being contrary? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 20 11:52:10 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 19 19:45:39 2009. Hey Kev, was 1575 a buckeroo back then?:) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 15:59:03 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 20 11:52:10 2009. Not that I recall all that much. 1575 was more noted for jammed door pistons, stuck brakes and dead motors ... and the occasional going primitive, back to smoke signals ... |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 20 18:52:26 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue May 19 19:37:42 2009. Actually, the proper term is "parallel" but is is popularly called "multiple" in shop lingo. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 20 20:18:38 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 15:59:03 2009. They've managed to exorcise its demons. 1575 has performed flawlessly over the past six years since the museum R-1/9s have been running again. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 21:00:04 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 20 20:18:38 2009. So I've heard ... I'd also bet that none of the parts on that car are what ACF originally shipped on it ... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed May 20 21:17:21 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:29:35 2009. Didn't the M1/3s on the LIRR and MNRR have Pioneer III trucks? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Thu May 21 01:26:46 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue May 19 19:37:42 2009. The two things mean exactly the same thing. In older writingson electrical engineering, a circuit we today say was "wired in parallel" was said to be "wired in multiple". |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 21 05:55:00 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:29:35 2009. Thanks for the Pioneer III truck info Randy.Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu May 21 11:55:50 2009, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by randyo on Tue May 19 19:29:35 2009. In Japan, Tokyu Sharyo manufactured PIII trucks under license from Budd. More than five private railways adopted them, some running on the subway lines. Some had success while some replaced them rather quickly. The following page has pictures of the various types mid-page. The page notes (in Japanese) that adapting them to the Japanese standard narrow gauge of 3'6" was part of the problem but I don't buy it since the narrow gauged Sagami Railway ordered them well into the nineties while the standard gauged Keihan didn't for long.The trucks of Tokyu Sharyo (fan site, not official) |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 29 20:21:11 2014, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 16 01:51:12 2009. God forbid R68's are ever nostalgia trains. |
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Posted by milantram on Sun Nov 30 01:37:32 2014, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 29 20:21:11 2014. IAWTP. Most blah subway cars ever! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 30 02:03:37 2014, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by milantram on Sun Nov 30 01:37:32 2014. I dunno ... they kinda still have that 1970's kitsch style. Compare to these modern R160's that seem to more resemble solitary confinement. :)
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 30 11:29:36 2014, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 16 01:51:12 2009. Over my dead body! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Dec 1 07:07:49 2014, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 29 20:21:11 2014. What's with the necropost? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 1 09:06:12 2014, in response to Re: Lo-V cars part of NYTM Nostalgia Train Excursion, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Dec 1 07:07:49 2014. I was looking something up and came across the remark about the 68s being the future nostalgia train. |
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