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Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009 I picked up a timetable for the Atlantic City-Penn nine-RT-a-week. train. It is run by NJT (they say) though ticketed through Amtrak.My question is, it makes the run in about 2:40 or so, one stop in Newark. It seems to me it couldn't make that time running to PHL 30th Street and then to AC. Anyone know what route it takes? I assume the middle part of the run is on normally non-passenger trackage. It's advertised at acestrain.com. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Apr 18 22:40:36 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. They change directions where the ACL merges into the NEC. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Apr 18 22:49:51 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Ken S. on Sat Apr 18 22:40:36 2009. a/k/a Frankford Junction. |
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Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''? |
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Posted by metropod on Sat Apr 18 22:52:21 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. a one way trip between Penn and 30th is about two-three hours on a local with transfer at Trenton. so the turnaround time and the ride to AC is about right. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Apr 18 22:59:50 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. Amtrak Northeast Corridor from NYP to Frankford Junction (SHORE), Philadelphia. That's prior to reaching North Philadelphia Station. The train does not go to 30th Street Station. Reverse direction at SHORE, cross over to NJT ACL and proceed to AC. It's all passenger trackage. |
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Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Apr 18 23:05:40 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. The dwell time when ACES arrives at the siding at Frankford Junction to switch from electric to diesel and vice versa is approximately 7-10 minutes give or take. |
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Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 18 23:11:41 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Sat Apr 18 22:59:50 2009. Hey Bob, you've been on ACES, right?How's the ride? Is it worth it to buy a first class ticket? |
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Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Apr 18 23:25:48 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 18 23:11:41 2009. If I may answer this, I have taken it twice in both directions, the ride down the NE Corridor is great, running most of the way down from Newark into Frankford Junction at a good speed, flying by every stop and leaving the locals and even some Amtrak trains in its dust. The ride after the engine power switch at Frankford via the ACL can at times be a bit sluggish through the sidings as local ACL trains past, but it is very scenic, best of both worlds in terms of railfanning. The service is very dead on, with a nice, spacious seat, good ambiance, and very social scene if you are into that - personally, I do not think it is worth the first class ticket price, as in most cases, those in coach will also get at-seat service by an attendant for food and beverages - but if not, it's still convenient for you to go up and get what you want. Also the food is of good quality, the drinks are a bit expensive, but what do you expect? The only real advantage of first class is much less people and a better view from up top, so it's up to you...also the rail transfer at the Atlantic City Rail Station (operated ironically by Academy Bus, the major line-run bus operator to AC), is on-time and in style on the coaches the sports teams use (the Mercedes Benz Setra) and drops you off at the hotel entrance (Borgata and Harrahs) and at the bus station at Caesars.It's something worth experiencing in my opinion. |
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Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 00:02:22 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Apr 18 23:25:48 2009.  Ah, OK, thanks. I wouldn't need the transfer bus; I'm not staying. I was going to Philadelphia for National Train Day, and I figured that since I was going to be there, I might as well ride the Atlantic City line (which I haven't done). And as long as I'm in AC, I might as well take the ACES, since I have to get back to NY anyway. :DOnly an hour or so in AC for me, thanks, I'm not a gambling person! :D Besides, it works out very well, since May 9th is a Saturday and there's an afternoon ACES train— I get new mileage, new service, and (sort of) new equipment. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 00:05:49 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 00:02:22 2009. Neither am I - I'm not in the business of gambling, I'm in the business of bringing people to gamble...But anyway within that hour though, one thing you can do is check out the outlet shops that stretch out from one block east of the COnvention Center towards Atlantic Ave. - over 100 shops and restaurants to get something to eat - AC even though still billed in everyone's mind as just a gaming town has evolved into much more - sorry for the plug, I just feel very strong and connected to the city (been traveling there for the past 15 years so I've witnessed the evolution). Then again you only have an hour so... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 00:06:17 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 00:02:22 2009. Only an hour or so in AC for me, thanks, I'm not a gambling person!Some other time maybe stick around; they have made some changes, particularly in cuisine and ambiance, to make it less of a one idea city. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 00:14:00 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 00:06:17 2009. The city has definitely changed over the 15 years I've been going - more of a destination now then anything that was before... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 00:23:23 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 00:05:49 2009. Yes, that's right, and here it is from an uninterested visitor who isn't too much of a gambler - AC has made some strides in the past few years especially; reportedly only about 3/4 of city revenue is derived (directly) from gambling. Beyond the boardwalk and marina, it's still regrettably rather rough looking, but I assume that the blight might clear up once property values increase in those areas. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 00:27:38 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 00:05:49 2009. Yeah, alright, I'll come back on a day where I'm not otherwise occupied, not treating Atlantic City as an afterthought, and not totally broke. :( |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 00:30:25 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 00:14:00 2009. Yes, that's definitely true. Partly it's a Borgata effect, the stab at making it the eastern seaboard's Vegas, and partly a culmination of some long unwinding trends.Let me also plug, via Frank Bruni of NYT, AC's oddest but perhaps finest, restaurant. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Apr 19 00:33:10 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Apr 18 23:25:48 2009. The only real advantage of first class is much less peopleSo does that mean that ACES finally gets a lot of ridership? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 19 00:45:25 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. Same route as the former Amtrak Atlantic City train. |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sun Apr 19 01:24:09 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 00:23:23 2009. Its a weird juxtaposition to have blocks that look like, well, not much, and they're across the street from casinos and hotels where people come and either gain or lose a LOT of money.I can personally attest to the Outlet Shopping, though - I was there doing it a couple of weeks ago (not by ACES, though). AC needs more of it, among other things, to make a turnaround. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 19 01:52:51 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 00:27:38 2009. and not totally broke. :( So then how are you affording a first class ticket on ACES? Take Pride,
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 19 02:00:04 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 19 01:52:51 2009. Maybe he got harrassed by NJT and received some free tickets for his troubles and intends to use them on ACES. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 02:03:51 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 19 02:00:04 2009. Heh, no. Got a voucher, actually. It came with the standard "we're sorry you're unhappy" form letter, even though I'd actually sent them a compliment. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 19 02:08:30 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 19 02:03:51 2009. Huh? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 19 02:33:26 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Apr 18 23:25:48 2009. I would take the ride and next time I'm out east I will. I'll definitely be socializing. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 19 07:30:42 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 18 23:11:41 2009. I rode coach and first class. I agree with metrolinecoach111; IMO first class wasn't worth the extra $25. It's a personal preference thing, of course. I'd rather leave my seat and walk to the mezzanine level to get a cup of coffee than have an attendant bring it to me. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 19 08:00:12 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 19 07:30:42 2009. I agree with that. It gives you an opportunity to stretch your legs and check out the rest of the car. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 19 08:01:57 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 19 02:00:04 2009. Huh? Why would that be the case if earlier he asked if it was worth it to BUY a first class ticket? |
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Posted by b1bus on Sun Apr 19 15:17:59 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. Yes, they do have a paper timetable now. I picked up some in the Newark NJT customer service office. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 16:21:02 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Apr 19 00:33:10 2009. No - by much less people, try less than 10 per car if you are lucky, and of those maybe 10, 9 are casino hosts and management. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 19 19:08:40 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by b1bus on Sun Apr 19 15:17:59 2009. I picked one up from the seat-back pouch when I rode first class on the second day of operation. Getting the printed timetable was the major benefit of riding first class. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Apr 19 20:27:21 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by b1bus on Sun Apr 19 15:17:59 2009. You can get one at Penn Station, I got two of the little card timetables for the service. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 19 20:55:24 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Apr 18 23:05:40 2009. That sounds like enough time to do a loco change instead of dead towing another one. Well, only if the sidings there allow such move though. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 19 20:58:31 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 19 20:55:24 2009. They use the other engine as a cab car on the ACL. There's no place to turn a train at AC. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 19 20:59:31 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 19 00:45:25 2009. ACES runs from Springfield, MA? :p |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 21:23:28 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 19 20:55:24 2009. 7-10 minutes seem to be swinging it a bit close. Back in the old days quite possible, but as I think it was chuchubob who noted on here, they didn't necessarily continue on in their careers with the usual complement of fingers.... |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Apr 19 21:26:23 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 19 19:08:40 2009. The printed timetable is now in mass circulation at New York Penn, Newark Penn, the AC Rail Station and the casinos themselves (Caesars, Harrah's and Borgata).You can find them at any schedule rack that has NJT timetables in these locations... Originally though, yes the only places you could find them were on the train and in the casinos... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 20 09:29:37 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 19 20:58:31 2009. When Amtrak ran the service, they used a cab car and changed locomotives twice, at New Haven and Frankford or Philly. What I meant was that if it takes ten minutes to change directions with the current setup, they might as well use a cab a car, do a motive power change so they can use the other loco somewhere else and save the energy wasted for pushing/pulling the dead tow. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 20 12:20:27 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 19 07:30:42 2009. Are coach class riders banished to the lower level of all the passanger cars? That would suck. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 20 13:01:57 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 20 12:20:27 2009. Yeah, bread and water, too. Wonder® bread, too, none of that fancy schmancy stuff.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 20 13:12:15 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 20 12:20:27 2009. Do you seriously even try? This has been addressed countless times, and is additionally available on the actual website of the service. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 15:24:48 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 20 12:20:27 2009. No. Two of the cars are first class upstairs and the other two are coach. |
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Posted by Deaks on Mon Apr 20 15:27:40 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 19 21:23:28 2009. I have seen Eastern European railways change locos in, literally, 60 seconds flat. The instant the incoming train stops the shunter-type person jumps off the platform and has the coupling and hoses/electrical cables unhitched. The loco then speeds away, the points/switch changes and the ready-and-waiting replacement loco appears and buffers up to the stock. Reconnect all the above and it's job done. They don't seem to have much regard for health and safety-type legislation though. |
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Posted by Green over Green on Mon Apr 20 15:30:24 2009, in response to Route of the NYC-ACE "ACES train"?, posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 18 22:39:11 2009. So after the direction change at Frankford Junction, do you end up riding backwards or can the seats be reversed? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 16:07:04 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Green over Green on Mon Apr 20 15:30:24 2009. With the current low ridership, you move to a forward facing seat if you don't want to ride backwards.
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 20 17:28:25 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 16:07:04 2009. Ah, but I'm picky! Is there a good chance that I'd be able to find a forward-facing upper level seat on the left side of the train before and after it changes ends?Or would I have to get a 1st class ticket for that? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 17:59:34 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 20 17:28:25 2009. I haven't ridden recently, so I can't answer.I prefer the right side southbound on the ACL for the view of Philly from the Delair Bridge and the fleeting glimpse of Winslow Junction.  
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 20 18:09:43 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 17:59:34 2009. Ah, left side northbound. Got it. :D |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 20 21:17:37 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 16:07:04 2009. Ugh, from what I can tell they went with right side forward instead front forward back backward... I hate that kind of seating arrangement. Though, it appears groups of three or four can sit facing each other, which is nice. Having three people sitting in the same row with one person facing the opposite direction is... awkward. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 20 22:21:36 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 19 20:59:31 2009. Still the same route. Plenty of NY-AC runs alone on Amtrak.(ACES doesn't run from Washington DC either.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 20 22:22:35 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 20 13:01:57 2009. Wonder® bread, too, none of that fancy schmancy stuffCould be worse . . . like "Great Value" bread from Wal-Mart. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 21 00:30:18 2009, in response to Re: Route of the NYC-ACE ''ACES train''?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 20 22:22:35 2009. How do you know? |
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