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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2 |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:19:52 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 11:51:23 2009. lol, which 116th? The one in Queens [Rockaways] or in Harlem? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 12:21:03 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:19:52 2009. Metropolitan Ave and 116. |
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Re: Contempt Of Cop (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 14 13:02:25 2009, in response to Contempt Of Cop (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:02:38 2009. close, but demands should be replaced with requests, to make explicit that ANY challenge to the complete authority of the armed officer is unacceptable. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Feb 14 13:58:47 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Feb 13 21:20:17 2009. Last year I was the QC dispatcher at MTV and the hours were 6p-2a.Last year I was pulled over more by the police than ever. Once by the NYSP, twice by the NYSPP, twice in my local town and once by the NYPD in Washington Heights! All the times nothing happened. I wasn't speeding or drinking just bored police officers late at night. I never got smart, just answered the questions and I was on my way home. I know if I did get smart something bad may have happened, but I just want to get home. |
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Posted by R160 Maniac on Sat Feb 14 14:08:43 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. WOW!!!! Cops just dont seem to care about the MTA rules. Just so stupid of them. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Feb 14 14:15:58 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Feb 13 12:28:33 2009. London is legal so long as you don't use a flash, and staff are known to remind you about the no flash rule but otherwise let you go about your business. Not sure what the rule in Paris is officially, I had no problems aside from one T/O gesturing not to take photos. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 14:28:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 12:06:31 2009. Oh right, yeah. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 14:29:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 12:21:03 2009. ah, ok. |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Sat Feb 14 15:05:17 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Fri Feb 13 20:35:12 2009. And it shouldn't come to mind. The first amendment has nothing to do with this matter. Here is what the first amendment says:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." The first amendment only restricts CONGRESS from enacting the types of laws mentioned in the amendment. It does not apply to individual states or municipalities, or to private organizations. The first amendment does not prevent a company, for example, from adopting a regulation prohibiting its employees from saying "flibbledunk" in the office during business hours. It amazes me how often people try to lean on the first amendment as the source of their right to say anything at all, to anybody, at any time. That simply is not the case. It may very well be that the officers involved acted improperly. However, it has nothing to do with the first amendment. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 15:21:39 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Ken S. on Thu Feb 12 21:01:06 2009. Well, why are there two sets of rules? If photography is to be banned, it should be known to the public by posting that law somewhere in the public's eye. Signage! I mean, having two sets of rules is f___ed up. Intimidating New Yorkers!? WTF? Makes no sense. If you are taking a picture of a choo choo train, your inyentions are sort of obvious. No? 1984+. I am traveling to NYC from here out in the sticks of Pennsyltucky in two weeks and had intended on taking my Canon along. As my friend from Queensland, Australia used to say "FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 16:50:55 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by G1RavagesDad on Sat Feb 14 15:05:17 2009. The first amendment only restricts CONGRESS from enacting the types of laws mentioned in the amendment. It does not apply to individual states or municipalities, or to private organizations.It does restrict states and municipalities but not private organizations. Both state and local laws can be declared unconstitutional if found to violate ANY clauses or amendments to the US Constitution. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 16:53:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 15:21:39 2009. They tried to pass a photo ban and it failed. The city also tried to pass severe restrictions on all public photography and that failed too due to protests and political pressure. So the only tool the NYPD is left with is fear and intimidation since the law is NOT on their side. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 17:31:45 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 16:53:31 2009. You have to understand we now live in a country of paranoia...just look at the Patriot Act.Remember 7/7 in London? What was the first reaction...to shut off mobile phone towers in the tunnels (they sure couldn't stop mobile phone signals on the bridges)....... Goes on all the time today in this country. Hopefully under Obama, we can go back to being a country where the rights of the individual are protected although guys like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney cringe at the thoughts that people in this country actually have civil rights...... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 14 18:05:40 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 17:31:45 2009. Actually, I think you will find that you will have fewer "rights" under Obama, but we shall wait and see.ROAR |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 14 18:18:28 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. am going back to the los angeles union station to take tons of photos of THINGS and TRAINS there............not any employee of any kind i will not delete any of my images .....myself .....& they can arrest me and i will go to the ACLU and press CHARGES i cant stop that but i will fire off a ton of photos !!!!!! i will be polite yes sir yes mamm give my name rank and serial # and id bagge i got with the lacmta ( a contractors photographers ) hopefully i will come home with beautiful pictures and THATS IT !! @ damnn it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 14 18:54:11 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by chuchubob on Fri Feb 13 14:55:58 2009. That's a very subjective claim. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 14 19:07:43 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 13 15:47:45 2009. Explaining what you were doing wasn't mouthing offI wasn't talking about that. The OP went well beyond that. you must stand up for what you KNOW is right No, that's not only a rebellious attitude, it's taking for granted that verbally assailing an officer of the law is "right". It isn't. It also presumes that people know what is right. 99 percent of the time, they do not. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 19:56:52 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 14 19:07:43 2009. It also presumes that people know what is right. 99 percent of the time, they do not.In the case of subway photography 1050.9c couldn't be clearer - any cop who says photography is illegal is wrong. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 20:47:36 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 14 18:18:28 2009. If Osama Bin Laden was caught when he was supposed to have benn, there would be no issue here. Someone blew it and is sitting on butt on his ranch laughing his way to the bank. Don't preach about which prez is allowing more of this and less of that. The record speaks for itself. Also, remember that we are the most free nation on the planet.......and we pay dearly each and every day for it. Just think about all those people who lost their lives or jobs in the last eight years. Think about it. |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Sat Feb 14 20:49:39 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 16:50:55 2009. The first amendment applies only to Congress. It's the fourteenth amendment (pertinent text below) which prohibits states from enacting laws that would deprive citizens of their constitutional rights."All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 21:02:44 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 20:47:36 2009. Also, remember that we are the most free nation on the planet.......and we pay dearly each and every day for it.What good is having freedom on paper if when you go out into the street cops harass you for using a legal piece of equipment (i.e. a camera) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 21:06:19 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by G1RavagesDad on Sat Feb 14 20:49:39 2009. So then the fourteenth amendment prevents states from countermanding the first amendment. Either way the first amendment is the law of the land and no state or local government has the power to limit free speech except for those limitations that the Supreme Court has ruled can be enacted (i.e. child porn) |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Sat Feb 14 21:12:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 07:52:52 2009. Why should this "change" anything for him. Is there anything in the TA employee handbook or rules that forbids "them" from taking photos on TA property? I doubt it.And don't always assume official credentials will get you by. Before the N. J. Transit photography policy was clarified, I was with a visiting official from another transit system. He wanted to photograph the exterior of the historic Hoboken railroad terminal. We were descended upon by a group of NJT police officers. Showing them my NJT credentials, handing them my business card and explaining the situation meant nothing. We were told that photography there was not permitted and told to leave. I was told that I'd have to take it up with the office. It was a weekend and there was really nobody I could call. Needless to say, I was embarrassed. But, I didn't argue with them. In fact, I thanked them for taking such good care of our property. That was the diplomatic way to handle it. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 21:15:47 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 21:02:44 2009. I do not disagree with you. Believe it or not, we still need law enforcement. We can't pick who serves, but they serve anyway. Tact, vision, thoughtfulness. Maybe cops don't think along those lines. But they are necessary just the same. This is something that needs to be made public, highly visible in the public eye to generate official involvement. I see no other way to end it. Bottom line: They all must communicate and get on the same page so we know what are roles are. Then, we can get on with other things that need attention. This is almost too silly to be taken seriously. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 21:17:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Transit Jeff on Sat Feb 14 21:12:38 2009. MTA's section 1050.9 makes it very clear. The NYPD are not informed of it, unaware of it, or are just following orders. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 21:18:57 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 21:17:42 2009. When I go to NYC in 2 weeks. I will have a copy of the rule with me just in case. I have already printed from MTA's site and have sevral copies ready. |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Sat Feb 14 21:31:01 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 09:12:26 2009. But my point is that there's plenty of it, even modern day photos, in magazines, books, the internet, etc. What's the big deal of taking photos of trains! There are lots of worse things in life that people do. Why do police officers get so uptight about taking photos of transit vehicles or stations. The whole thing is nonsense! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 21:34:01 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 21:18:57 2009. Make sure you hang on tight to that piece of paper. This way, if you are arrested, you'll have something to use in case there is no 'paper' in your jail cell. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Feb 14 21:34:26 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 13 00:35:10 2009. Well said! |
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A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 21:37:31 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. I'm curious, when you reported your arrest to Labor relations & Policy Compliance, what was their reaction? |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Feb 14 21:38:57 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 09:56:23 2009. it was years ago, there is no use doing anything about it now. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 21:39:43 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 17:31:45 2009. You seem to be very niave and politically myopic. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Feb 14 21:40:50 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 09:56:23 2009. i don't think there wasn't another chief available at that time anyway. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 21:56:21 2009, in response to A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 21:37:31 2009. You're not going to be a tattletale are you? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 21:57:31 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 21:56:21 2009. Why don't you fuck off - loser! |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Feb 14 21:58:26 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:32:04 2009. It was the first officer I've seen that came to mind when you described cops who remain nice even when the suspect is being an a-hole. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 22:08:51 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 21:57:31 2009. Blow me. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 22:11:37 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 22:08:51 2009. Had a feeling you were on the down-low. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 22:11:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 13 00:35:10 2009. He was not arrested, only detained. He received a summons for "illegal" picture taking (in the eyes of NYPD), which he would have received even if he was not detained. Therefore this is not a criminal matter. By detaining him the cops are trying to discourage him from taking pictures in the future. He has a right to take the matter to court and fight the summons by submitting the TA rule allowing photography to the judge. The other 2 summons' are subjective ones and the judge would have to decide based on the testimony of all parties involved. Of course 3 vs. 1 the cops will always stand up for each other. It comes down to this guy getting a lawyer, which would cost more than the 3 summons' unless ACLU volunteers to defend him if it goes that far. Even if he wins, it will not set new NYPD policy. It's sad that a man who is doing a legal activity has to get harassed like this, but his big mouth is what escalated the matter. |
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Correction : A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 22:13:04 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 22:11:37 2009. E-mail me about the same! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 14 22:13:25 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 13 02:12:21 2009. but you do still get a rap sheet you were detained and not charged |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 22:16:10 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 13 02:12:21 2009. Only true IF your lawyer is successful in getting all the paperwork back - including the fingerprint card. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 22:16:12 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 22:11:38 2009. He said that he was arrested. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 22:17:25 2009, in response to Correction : A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 14 22:13:04 2009. Email you for the blow job? lol |
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Posted by MGL on Sat Feb 14 23:51:11 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by G1RavagesDad on Sat Feb 14 20:49:39 2009. Thank you for taking the time to provide such a thorough explanation.I found it very interesting. Michael |
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Posted by MGL on Sat Feb 14 23:55:25 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Feb 14 00:01:58 2009. "police officers believe they are above the law, and don't really care for the people they are suppose to protect."Generalizations and stereotypes! Your excuse for your bigotry is very weak! Michael |
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Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 00:05:34 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Feb 14 13:58:47 2009. Last year I was the quality control dispatcher at Music Television.Last year I was pulled over more by the police than ever. Once by the NY State Police, twice by the NYS State Park Police....... Did I get that right? Michael |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 00:17:33 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 21:56:21 2009. Why did you have to get yourself involved in this subthread? TD was clearly asking for only Rtype. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 00:18:40 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 00:05:34 2009. lol. I always think of Music Television when I see MTV as well, but I think that it's Manhattanville bus depot. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 00:22:18 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 00:17:33 2009. A better question is why didn't Train Dude email him instead of asking for a "private" question to be answered on a public message board. |
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