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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Aug 6 19:41:22 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 19:27:18 2008. I'll make a Greasemonkey killfile script if you'd like... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:43:26 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:27:36 2008. Bah, misspelled collarbone. Badly :( |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 19:44:12 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by 156n3rd on Wed Aug 6 19:41:11 2008. Did you mean to reply to me? My killfile comment was related to K-Car's constant rants about Israel that put any thread onto the "BOD". |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:44:43 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Aug 6 19:36:44 2008. I'd rather get LIRR cars with transit-style seats. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:49:15 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by subfan on Wed Aug 6 19:19:24 2008. I am sorry if you found that to be insulting. Note how i said i have nothing against jewish people, i only have something against bastards. Lets end it there. Funny you took it as offensive though. You found it offensive enough to use the words "ignorance" and "bigotry". And i agree, it was off topic. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:50:10 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Aug 6 19:29:27 2008. I agree, we shouldn't take things out of context. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:51:20 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:21:16 2008. I don't really know anything about the diaphragms, though the way they were described, i assumed they were hollow rubber ones like the usual ones. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:53:18 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:27:36 2008. Wrong. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 19:53:25 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:44:43 2008. Lol, brought out of retirement M3's? :) |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Aug 6 19:53:38 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:50:10 2008. Okay. Now let's stop this part of the thread before it gets out of hand. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:53:47 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:53:18 2008. I'll try to be more descriptive...i am not child sized, i am adult sized. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 19:54:17 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Aug 6 19:36:44 2008. Good, it makes more sense that way especially if they are going to keep the cars as single units for the 2-car overnight trains. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:55:28 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:51:20 2008. but since they are essentially inflated diaphragmsAgain? Wow. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 19:56:10 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:53:47 2008. Proof Required. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:56:55 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:53:47 2008. I'm judging you. I don't see how an adult could possibly be so ignorant, and not hold public office. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Aug 6 19:57:21 2008, in response to R179 Specs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Aug 6 08:29:45 2008. 5 doors? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:59:08 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 19:53:25 2008. No, because that's just as bad as the craptastic R44s we have now. New cars, similar to LIRR cars, are the best fit. We don't need so many doors, we need more seats. Hey, if they can make these R179 cars with fewer doors speficically for the SIR, that would work too. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:59:25 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:55:28 2008. I ADMIT I WAS WRONG IN SAYING THAT!!! I don't know, i just ASSUMED. My bad. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 20:01:53 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:59:25 2008. Some more than others. It's easier to convince my three-year-old why he can't do something, than it seems to be for you to simply admit your mistakes. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:02:44 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:59:08 2008. they could probably get away w/just 3. 2 at the far ends and 1 in the center. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 20:04:20 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:02:44 2008. Or they could just decide to send M-9s to SIR. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:04:23 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by error46146 on Wed Aug 6 19:57:21 2008. Why not? lines like the E needs more doors anyway. That's probably the only way the E can handle 75' cars. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 20:05:37 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:04:23 2008. Actually, 8 R179s will have the same number of doors as 10 R32s do. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:12:29 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 20:05:37 2008. Right, just that an R179 would be better for the E than the R46 w/8 less doors. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 20:28:26 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 6 11:19:45 2008. Considering 5 doors, fully empty spaces for wheelchairs, and new emphasis on standees, I can't see how it can be anything other than straight bench ala R-160. I guess they could try an R-110B style seating. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 20:37:15 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:12:29 2008. Since the 8 less doors is a problem, then why can't the E use mainly 60' cars like it has been doing? Other lines which function perfectly well with R-46s such as the V and R would have no problem having R-179s with only 4 doors. |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Aug 6 20:37:50 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:49:15 2008. As an Israeli (and yes, I do serve in the army on regular reserve duty) and a Jew, I found your comment not insulting, but pathetic. If you knew what you were talking about, it would be insulting; since you obviously don't, it's merely pathetic. Learn a little history - including modern history - before you start spouting off on things you clearly know nothing about.subfan |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 20:48:21 2008, in response to Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by WillD on Wed Aug 6 17:37:41 2008. What door says Amtrak ??? the Flexliners tested in the US were not Danish other than by manufacturer, the cars Amtrak tested belonged to Isreaeli railways. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 20:54:42 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:59:08 2008. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a modified version of the R-179s for use in Staten Island. Since the line doesn't demand quite the same kind of service as most of NYCT, it could probably function well with three doorways, possibly even single-leaf doors like the M-7s. In addition, seating similar to buses or Philadelphia's Market-Frankford El M4 cars would provide greater seating capacity.
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:56:07 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 20:04:20 2008. Who's going to build the M9's? And would they look sorta like the m7's? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:59:04 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 20:37:15 2008. A/c issues on the R32, maybe the MTA catoring to the public by putting a few R46's on the E. IMO, they probably would've been better off just moving the R40M, R42's to the E directly and kept the R32 phase 1's on the A/C lines. |
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Posted by metropod on Wed Aug 6 21:07:34 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by subfan on Wed Aug 6 20:37:50 2008. getting him to stop, even after you proven him wrong, is like trying to stop a mile long freight train with your bare hands. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 21:09:09 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 20:59:04 2008. A/c issues on the R32, maybe the MTA catoring to the public by putting a few R46's on the E.Hehehe, I think so to, but I was referring to the design of the R-179s saying that there shouldn't be an absolute need for them to have 5-doors because of the dwell times on lines like the E. Those lines since they need more doors can just have 60' cars while the R-179s could be sent to other lines (like the R and V). they probably would've been better off just moving the R40M, R42's to the E directly and kept the R32 phase 1's on the A/C lines. It would seem easier to have done it that way. I wonder what the reasons were for doing it this way. Maybe so Jamaica could continue to maintain R-32s and not have to deal with different equipment. They do a bad enough job as is after all. :-) |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 21:18:57 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 21:09:09 2008. Yeah, Jamaica being where all the R32's was a sound idea, I guess the a/c's all picked the wrong time to start crapping out. Imo, if it's that bad on the E then move it to the F or R. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Aug 6 21:21:38 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Aug 6 21:09:09 2008. Well true about that, but then again how many ppl stays near the doors rather than move to the center of the train? 5-door cars might not sound that bad and then you can run 75' car trains on the E. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 6 21:25:08 2008, in response to R179 Specs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Aug 6 08:29:45 2008. If NYCT is really serious about OPTO for short trains, they should go for cameras that link directly into cab monitors, instead of having the engineer leave his position. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Aug 6 21:31:53 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Aug 6 08:53:49 2008. If that's the case, it'll make me smile. I would like to see the next generation of cars return "back to roots"-as in going more basic. A return to the traditional SMEE platform would be welcome, upgraded to date with AC traction and microprocessors. Remember the R62/68s went based on the R36 chassis and technology-basically modernized reworked R36s built in the 80s. A modern "2010" rework of the R36 would be great too with microprocessor controls, AC traction, ATO/CTBC and more. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by subfan on Wed Aug 6 20:37:50 2008. Big deal, pretty much everyone in Israel has to serve in the army(even women), which AMERICA gives a lot of funding to. And it is an army which uses AMERICAN weapons. I'm sure you had fun. Listen guy, i can say that America has made TERRIBLE mistakes(leadership wise), but you SEEM to be some sort of nationalist. My comments were not pathetic, but rather, true.Maybe it isn't your fault though, we live in an a society which sympathizes with Israel, no matter what they do. I've said it before, i don't take any sides with the middle east, i think all you guys should shape up, and quit being retarded about everything. We are trying to shape up here in America, so you people should too. Quit playing the "we'll give back the land" (with fine print) game. Don't take it personally, i'm just saying your LEADERS are in THW WRONG...maybe not as crazy as that guy in Iran, but BOTH are wrong. Guy, i am not a bigot, heck, i'd NEVER join in on the "get the kid with the chopped penis" game, even if the whole world was playing it. And i don't play the "Let us get the beards and turbins" game either, and guess what? It seems EVERYONE is playing that game. It is just that the amnesty has to end, or else THAT would turn into favoritism...the bigotry subdivision. But then again, the amnesty makes it easy for Israel, and sometimes, you have to take the pacifier out of the babie's mouth WITH FORCE. SHAPE UP, I SAY! We don't need BS responses to this, or we will attract someone with a subchat security badge, and virtual penis extension. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 6 21:33:28 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Aug 6 19:16:15 2008. It's more of a suffix, but who is to draw the lines between a suffix and an inflection in a language? From another language stand point the "s" could well be seen as a suffix.Someday I need to complete my Japanese half by learning the language... Good luck. I had a hard time myself when I was ten, as I grew up in Paris, France from five to eleven, the full time Japanese School didn't open until the October right before my tenth birthday and it was hell for my year there and later in Japan. I survived it though. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:34:54 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:15:01 2008. I really find your comment about Israel extremely insulting and completely inappropriate for what we are discussing here. Your ignorant, misguided opinion of Israel has absolutely, 100% nothing to do with what we are discussing here and there was NO reason for you to state it here.>>>Nor do i want to go into the matter of who controls the $$$, even in america, and who sets up the useless watchdog groups, but i think you got the hint. Though i have nothing against jewish people, i have something against bastards.<<< You contradicted yourself here. I think you do have something against Jews. If you didn't, you wouldn't have posted this. The Flexliner is used in Denmark, Sweden and Israel. The Flexliner that was tested in North America by Amtrak and VIA Rail just happened to come from Israel. What's wrong with that? Would you have gotten your jollies if Amtrak and VIA tested a train from Iran? This is a message board about trains, not about hating Israel. Go find some Al-Qaida-sympethizer or White Supremacist message board where you can state your hatred of Israel to your heart's content. I'm sure YOU can find one. Your foolish opinion of Israel and any US money that is sent there has NO place on this message board. Take it somewhere else. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:35:33 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:50:10 2008. You did. |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Aug 6 21:35:59 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008. Have a nice life.subfan |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 21:37:15 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:34:54 2008. IAWTP |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Aug 6 21:38:25 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:15:01 2008.  |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:39:14 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by subfan on Wed Aug 6 21:35:59 2008. Thank you. Have a nice life too. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:43:17 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:24:12 2008. Which is exactly what we need to have here in the States. There need to be separate tracks for passenger and freight rail, where possible. It's time for the feds to stop treating rail like property and start treating it like infrastructure. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:44:53 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:34:54 2008. I agree, but you misunderstood me. I NEVER sympathize with extremist groups, especially Al-Qaida or the KKK. Now that post of yours has quite a few personal attacks. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Aug 6 21:46:29 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 19:27:18 2008. Definitely. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:49:37 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:16:03 2008. MAybe you ought to ride Arrow III's from New York to Washington Union Station on Thanksgiving weekend and see how your back feels after four hours sitting in them. Then ride them back and see how your back feels the next day. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:52:22 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 18:00:08 2008. Oh yeah, you, the BIG expert on what's robust. HA! |
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