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Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Feb 9 16:00:51 2005, in response to Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 15:53:43 2005. I would assume that some of the R44's will be leaving when the last of the R160's come in, and the R46's... well... let's just say that they'll have to order new cars (R200's?) to replace them. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:02:50 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Feb 9 16:00:51 2005. I'm going to have to disagree. Many of the R44's will go first, if not all of them. They in the worst structural condition of the retiring class (R32-R44). |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 16:28:16 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Feb 9 16:00:51 2005. The 46's...going...?Nahhh.... The Oldest of them are only 30 years old...and they have years of life in them.... I see them being replaced sometime between 2010-15, maybe... Now the 44's...yep... I can see them going ..at 34 years ..and being the worst rail cars running... They never lived up to the hype about them..and due to the continued framing problems....if they make it to 40..I'll throw a party...2008 is the limit I see for them... |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:31:15 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 16:28:16 2005. According to "sources," the R46's will get a light overhaul mainly pertaining to aesthetics. But those R44's are most likely going first, they are awful. Actually, I wonder if anyone has sound recordings of the R44's and R46's when they had the P-Wire. The sounds should be interesting. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 16:36:33 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:31:15 2005. The 44's sounded just like PATCO trains...The 46's had a sound all their own..that I haven't heard anywhere else.... I know the 42/40/38s had a sound like the old PA 1-3 cars.... Right..the 46 GOH did wonders for them,unlike the 44's.... The 44's are DOGS...Then and NOW... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 9 16:40:12 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:02:50 2005. It seems that the R-32's may not be in the upcoming "retiring class." |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:42:20 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 9 16:40:12 2005. If all the option orders are filled, there will be enough R160's to cover every car class from R32 through R44. However, with the MTA's $$$ situation, I doubt that all options will be filled immediately. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:43:35 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 16:36:33 2005. The R46's only problem was the trucks, and Pullman didn't even build the trucks! The R44's have had problems from P-Wire through frame. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 17:00:06 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:42:20 2005. They were able to squeeze some funding for the new cars from the remaner of the LGA subway line funding....for about around 400plus cars...Beyond that..it's still a toss up. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:02:52 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 17:00:06 2005. They did it for the R142/R142A orders, so I think that they'll eventually be able to secure the options. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 17:05:04 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:02:52 2005. Oh,of course..they want these 60's trains GONE!They want to IMPROVE the MTA image...and New cars WILL HELP... |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Wed Feb 9 17:13:58 2005, in response to Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 15:53:43 2005. With the Prez's new social security plan, they're probably have a working retirement. :) |
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Posted by Metropod on Wed Feb 9 17:14:04 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 16:28:16 2005. i've heard plans for the 46's to head to SI |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:19:33 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 16:31:15 2005. The "sources" vary and have little effect on the final decisions about what's being retired. Most of the rumors around the R44's retirement come from TA workers who dislike the R44's intensly.I posted last November that the MTA might not be allowed to replace any 75' car with the R160. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:20:14 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Metropod on Wed Feb 9 17:14:04 2005. I've heard they're gonna be shaved by 15 feet for service on the Eastern Division. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:22:14 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 16:36:33 2005. The 46's had a sound all their own..that I haven't heard anywhere else....Pre GOH? They whistled. As a teenager, I could imitate them perfectly. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:23:52 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Metropod on Wed Feb 9 17:14:04 2005. Well, as of now, it looks like SI has three options:M1's, R46's, and R160's. I would seriously doubt R160's coming, but there are "rumors" of one or two sets coming over for testing. It looks like R46's or M1's. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:31:50 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:19:33 2005. That's kinda stupid to replace the R32 b4 the R44. The R44's are falling apart and it makes more sense to replace them 1st. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:33:16 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:19:33 2005. I posted last November that the MTA might not be allowed to replace any 75' car with the R160. They will never order a 75 footer again. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:34:42 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:31:50 2005. Plus, if you're over 5'6" or so and weigh more than 175 lbs. (assuming you're in shape), you may have a tough time driving the R44! |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 17:36:52 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:23:52 2005. The SIRT is for all purposes a "Railroad operating subway equipment"...Due to the fact that SIRT employees are trained on NYCT equipment..I believe R46 cars SHOULD be sent there... But REBUILT M-1 cars Should be sent there, to save on purchasing new cars..to increase service....and running times.. Higher speeds,better passenger comforts....all a plus. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:37:04 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:23:52 2005. I still say M1's. B Division can't afford to give up any extra cars especially w/so many on the verge of retirement.R160's were meant to replace the older trains, not fill in holes from the R46's departures. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:38:11 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Orange Blossom Express on Wed Feb 9 17:13:58 2005. Well seeing R32's on their 50th year would be awesome!They should also save a pair for the museum. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 17:39:25 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:19:33 2005. The thing is...the 160 will be coming in around the retirement age of the 44 cars....Being allowed to keep them..while they are unsafe.. is foolish... |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:41:23 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:34:42 2005. Exactly and I'm 5'9" about 178lbs. So damn I'm just over the minimum size. lol |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:42:25 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 17:33:16 2005. That information is also inaccurate. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:43:16 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:31:50 2005. The R44's are falling apart and it makes more sense to replace them 1st.Physically, the slants are worse. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 17:43:53 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:22:14 2005. Right...thats why I said I never heard that sound from any other rail car Anywhere....The 44's had this low groan...like a funky 'SIGH'..that PATCO still has....while the 46's had that pircing "PHISHHHWWW" sound...that everybody knew.... |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 9 17:44:58 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:19:33 2005. The only TA worker who doesn't dislike the R44's intensely is the TA worker who's never encountered one. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:46:32 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:38:11 2005. And a consists for future fantrips. Better yet, 2 R32's, 2 R38's, 2 R40slants and 2 R42's! |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:49:07 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:46:32 2005. Or how about the R40M/42 set ;-) |
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Posted by joe c on Wed Feb 9 17:51:29 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:20:14 2005. How is that gonna happen?(if it ever does)if ya shave the R46 buy 15 feet,ya might be left with 3 doors.i don't see that happening ever.til next time |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:52:30 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:49:07 2005. Eh, they look like R42's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:53:41 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by joe c on Wed Feb 9 17:51:29 2005. What's that sound? It's the sound of a joke going way over your head. |
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Posted by joe c on Wed Feb 9 17:57:40 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:53:41 2005. LOL,give me a shaver and i'll show you what a shaved R46 looks like.i know the MTA wouldn't be that stupid to do that. til next time |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 18:03:21 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:52:30 2005. But it's got history and survived a nasty wreck :-) |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 18:04:32 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:53:41 2005. Lol and we can also shave an M1 and see if it can run on the J or M line :-D |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:08:15 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:41:23 2005. I was approximating. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 18:09:22 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by joe c on Wed Feb 9 17:57:40 2005. I will, of course, drop dead from shock if I ever see an R46 roll by my house. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:10:06 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 17:37:04 2005. I believe the R44's the R160 is supposed to replace include the R44SI's. So, if the R44 were to go first, the R160's replacing the R44SI's could go to Queens Boulevard, R46's to SI, and then you could do a B-Division fleet swap to whatever they please. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:11:55 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:42:25 2005. How so? It's a waste to order a 75 foot car. The MTA has said in the past that it will not order 75 foot cars again. So where are you getting this information? |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:12:28 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:43:16 2005. I have to disagree. From the people I know, the R44's have major frame issues, and are much worse compared to the slants. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Feb 9 18:13:09 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 18:04:32 2005. And they can use the excess material to enlarge the R62s to B-Division dimensions! The 21st century version of the BMT Qs. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:14:18 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Feb 9 18:13:09 2005. And they could scrap a foot! |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 18:20:09 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:08:15 2005. True, but if so I probably wouldn't be able to fit in there. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:21:01 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 9 18:20:09 2005. Someone smaller than me had trouble fitting in there, and I'm 5'8-5'9, 145 lbs. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 18:31:49 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:10:06 2005. Dude..the 160s comming to the NYCT have NOTHING to do with what runs on STATEN ISLAND...Thats not a NYCT issue.... It's an MTA....and FRA issue... Thats WHY I say,it would be BETTER if the LIRR M1 cars were GOH..and placed in service on SIRT... And I mean..GOH..DOWN TO THE BARE METAL... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 18:35:39 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:11:55 2005. The MTA has said in the past that it will not order 75 foot cars again.No, it hasn't. The economic realities which created the 75' car concept have not gone away. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Wed Feb 9 18:35:59 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by vengence on Wed Feb 9 18:31:49 2005. Dude..the 160s comming to the NYCT have NOTHING to do with what runs on STATEN ISLAND...Thats not a NYCT issue.... It's an MTA....and FRA issue... Thats WHY I say,it would be BETTER if the LIRR M1 cars were GOH..and placed in service on SIRT... And I mean..GOH..DOWN TO THE BARE METAL... The SIRTOA is actually a subsidiary of the NYCTA, so it is an NYCTA problem. I believe that the R160 order is meant to replace all R44's INCLUDING R44SI's. |
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