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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 3 20:35:04 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 19:53:49 2007. I will admit that it is a fairly fast local./end thread However, during the AM rush hour those extra minutes can mean the difference between getting a coffee and bagel or not having breakfast. Darn. Anyhow, leave earlier... It's worth it for the peace of mind a ride on a local with a seat provides... They can also be the difference between catching a connection and missing it (and trust me, if your trip has multiple transfers one missed connection can screw you). Uh, my current commute involves 2 or 3 As such, LEAVE EARLIER. However, no matter what I say I'll hear the same "The V train is the greatest line" rhetoric. But it is. Where else is there an empty local along a crowded corridor???? The V is a gift from above. So tell you what, I'll ride the V train end to end after you stop taking Metro-North and instead take the 1 train straight to Midtown (no transfer at 96st). You'll then realize why people prefer the express over the local. Um, I rode the "1 train straight to Midtown (no transfer at 96st)" for several months. Don't tell me what I don't know. I know very well why people prefer an express over a local. And so does everyone else. But that's with all other things being equal. With the V vs. the F, all other things are NOT equal, namely the crowding. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 3 20:41:50 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 3 20:05:37 2007. yeah |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 3 21:41:13 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:41:03 2007. I see you haven't ridden the other way... The 4/5 crawls there. No need to slow down, it's already slow. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 3 21:50:27 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 19:53:49 2007. Unless you have a valid reason like "I have to take my kid to school between 8:20 and 8:30", LEAVE EARLIER AND RIDE THE LESS CROWDED V!! |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 3 22:04:36 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 3 20:05:08 2007. lol...at the express riders |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 22:13:28 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 3 21:41:13 2007. Northbound the curve entering 42nd and the curve leaving 14th are slow, but not as bad as southbound. Northbound 42nd to 59th is a huge difference as it is pretty fast [well non rush hours that is]. |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 3 22:16:13 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 3 21:50:27 2007. LEAVE EARLIER AND RIDE THE LESS CROWDED V!!Or stop complaining. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 22:46:33 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:44:05 2007. No, Cresent wouldn't be an express stop because the one track el woul dcontinue down Jamaica Ave after Cypress hills and rejoin the local at Broadway Junction. The express track would raise through the Cypress Hills station as to avoid having to cross the local Manhattan track at grade. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 22:48:03 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:54:20 2007. Well those customers are only coming to the stores at the express stops because the trains would be bypassing ever other station. Not that it matters though, that's life. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 22:57:56 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 22:46:33 2007. i meant if that 1 track connection was not built the alternative would be to continue the 'express' on the current tracks and the next stop after Woodhaven would be Cresent.Of course if the 1 track connection is built then Broadway Junction would be next. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 23:55:08 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:32:55 2007. Then I suggest the MTA build the proposed connection to the Grand st station from BOWERY.It was part of the planned Chrystie st proposal..but was dropped along with so much of the project.[roughly THREE QUARTERS OF IT WAS DROPPED]. I would also say that the unused tunnels on top of the Chrystie st line should be connected to the Nassau st subway for direct downtown service. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 23:56:42 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon Jul 2 11:44:43 2007. This is an idea I hold strongly to. And some of us here supports it. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:14:26 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Jul 2 16:24:42 2007. Agreed. The V has to go past Second Avenue. Whether it's to Metro, Church or Rockaway Pkwy/Canarsie, it doesn't matter. As long as it stops dead-ending at Second Avenue. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:23:17 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:23:02 2007. Yes, that they're idiots. Expresses are not always faster than locals. These idiots who continue to overcrowd the E and F trains have absolutely no right to complain because they refuse to give up their beliefs that expresses are always faster and better than locals. It's their own damn fault their trains are overcrowded, not MTA. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:29:33 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 3 18:12:34 2007. Well said! Queens Blvd riders have an alternative for getting to Manhattan, but they refuse to use it. They're not going to get any more E or F trains because there just isn't the capacity for them. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:32:19 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 15:34:36 2007. Yeah, well don't take them seriously when they complain about overcrowded E and F trains because they're the ones who make them overcrowded, when there is a perfectly good alternative across the platform. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:41:55 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007. >>>Have you ever heard the phrase New York Minute? People do not want to experiment with silly little locals.<<<Yeah, and that's exactly why you have overcrowded E and F trains that take forever to get where they need to go. If you and the rest of your fellow QB express riders gave that attitude the old heave-ho, you'd realize just how much better your commute will be. The MTA is not going to add more E and F trains and the F train is not going back to the 53rd St tunnel. Given the track capacity limits and the way the line is set, they can't add any more trains, so they won't. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:49:07 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 16:40:52 2007. I know exactly what you mean. It is fair game. I take the 5 Thru Express. It almost always gets held at Jackson Avenue to let a 2 that's already stopped there go first. So much for expresses being much faster than locals, no? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 4 00:52:00 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Tue Jul 3 19:16:52 2007. Yes, the F train was the logical choice for the use of the 63rd Street tunnel, why:a) it fulfills some of the aims of the original proposal as an express train to/from Queens b) it provides more frequent and 24-7-365 service to Roosevelt Island which was built with the idea that the subway would be the main transportation method. The tram was built to be temporary due to the delays with building the subway line. c) While some have proposed sending the V-train along 63rd Street, that option would still leave 53rd Street over-crowded with riders just passing through and no room on the express trains. Now with the V train serving 53rd Street there is room on the trains for those on the platforms along 53rd Street. In the past those riders had to wait for train after train to get to Queens, making the platforms even more crowded. d) While some here moan and groan that the V-train is the worst thing since sliced bread, their solutions is usually just more of the same activities that were done in decades past. e) Is anyone here old enough to remember when express trains in the peak direction did not stop at certain stations along 53rd Street because the crowds were so bad? f) While the F-train on 63rd Street, and the connection to the Queens Blvd line was a COMPROMISE in light of the situation, it was the best of available options. Mike |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:56:01 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:21:34 2007. Agreed. You only really need the express service in one direction anyway. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:59:05 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 22:13:28 2007. Downtown 4 and 5 trains also slow down passing 23rd St, even after highballing past 33rd and 28th Sts. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 02:28:37 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 15:34:36 2007. Or maybe..they should build the damn Queens Bypass already..while they are building the ESA line. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 4 03:06:46 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:44:05 2007. That would very much work if it can be done:The single track along Jamaica Avenue would probably be the best option with express service all the way along the route in the peak direction (including on weekends to Manhattan until I would say around 8:00 PM on Saturdays and 6:00 PM on Sundays with reverse express service after that until at least Midnight, if not later on Friday and Saturday nights). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 4 03:12:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:21:34 2007. Which is why that might be the most viable option: Combining the M and V trains OR making the V a third train on the Broadway Brooklyn line, having it run to at least Myrtle Avenue if not to either Metropolitan Avenue or Eastern Parkway, going express in Brooklyn in the peak direction. That to me is a very viable option. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 03:28:39 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Tue Jul 3 19:16:52 2007. The F was ALWAYS planned for 63rd st..and South Jamaica. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 4 04:39:32 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 4 00:52:00 2007. Wasn't the original SAS/Super-Express plan as something similiar to this:(F): Express from 179th and then to a portal to the Super-Express with a new stop near the present ESA hole and on to 63rd St Manhattan. (E): Local from 179th to 71st and then Express to Queens Plaza. Today's (R): Archer Av line and on to current route SAS train: Archer Av to Super-Express (GG): Its old traditional route to 71st St. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 4 05:05:42 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 02:28:37 2007. That's what I'm talking about! A new subway station near the site of the current ESA hole with a transfer to Queens Plaza should be built with it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 4 05:40:55 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 23:55:08 2007. We think alike. Building the SAS connection to Nassau St via the unused tunnels and having a connection between the Bowery and Grand St would give the combined station many transfer options. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 11:27:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Jul 3 18:11:25 2007. These folks are greatly outnumbered by those wanting stations on the E and F than the V also services. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 11:32:05 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:21:34 2007. Not possible, the V would have to run to Church for any kind of successful express service. BTW, exactly what IS the percentage of overall riders who get a one-seat ride from their home to their place of employment? I bet a significant majority makes at least one train transfer. What's the big deal about a one-seat ride? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 11:41:31 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:56:50 2007. I still prefer the idea of straight-running the J from Cypress Hills to Broadway Junction down Jamaica, thus allowing the old section on Fulton St. to be replaced. Politically, it won't happen. It should have been done back in 1916-18. |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 11:44:23 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. The V still leaves a lot to be desired as far as ridership goes. People still crowd onto the E and F trains, ignoring the fact that there's another available Manhattan service that can just as quickly take them to their destinations. |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 12:01:42 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:15:20 2007. Yeah, I agree. Let some other route go through Broadway Brooklyn-6th Avenue connection. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:20:24 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Jul 3 19:54:57 2007. And then these same people piss and moan about why the E and F trains are overcrowded. Well, that's why. If they didn't raise holy hell over the Super Express tracks, there would have been more capacity. Oh, well, you reap what you sow. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:23:38 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 03:28:39 2007. So the F was supposed to go to Parsons/Archer originally? I wonder why they decided to send the E there? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:26:18 2007, in response to Re: Sending the V via the Williamsburg Bridge, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 4 03:12:35 2007. What about having the V operate to Canarsie via Broadway Junction and running peak express service from Broadway Jct to Marcy Ave? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:41:32 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 17:44:36 2007. And if they hadn't shot down the Super Express proposal back in the late '60s, they would have had yet another option. So they really only have themselves to blame for why their E/F trains are overcrowded. |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 13:27:20 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 19:50:07 2007. Queens Blvd riders are not forced to take (V). If anything, mostriders still chose the (E)and (F) over it.In regard to benefit, the additional Manhattan service is of great benefit to Queens Blvd riders, the only thing is for that benefit to the fully realized, people have to use to it more often. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 13:28:57 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 02:28:37 2007. Good idea, if the money is available. Money doesn't grow on trees! |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 13:37:30 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:41:32 2007. People can be so short-sighted when it comes defending their current mass transit options. Now because they could'nt see past the fear of losing whatever service they had, they failed to appreciate or understand that providing additional service in the form of a new line would be of benefit. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 4 13:48:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 13:28:57 2007. However, one could say that the state as a whole has its priorities misplaced...take money away from roads. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 4 13:49:19 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 13:28:57 2007. The state can get more money...simply download smaller state roads to the counties and use THAT money for transit. |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 13:53:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 13:27:20 2007. Those expressaholics insist on the illusion of the express service being that much faster is so ridiculous. It's hilarious with the crowds at Roosevelt Avenue where so many people wait for the E and F and ignore the V, even though the V is going to the same 6th Avenue stops as the F from Rockefeller Center onwards. Its seems like only the ones who want Lex/53rd and 5th/53rd are the line's regular riders. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 13:56:13 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:11:29 2007. No, the MTA does not provide the proper express service. Nobody likes a local train that takes 5 hours to get somewhere when they can get to that same somewhere using the power of the Express train that gets there in a fraction of the time.First of all that's less steel dust breathed in. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 14:02:00 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:48:32 2007. Fine, then I will take the Uptown Local train to 71st Continental and then take my Excellent Express! |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 14:02:16 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 14:02:00 2007. Therefore, I would avoid your silly plan. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 14:06:07 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 13:56:13 2007. Stop exaggerating with the 5 hour business and fractions of time. You know damn well that the difference between the local and express running times from Queens Plaza to CTL is not even 10 minutes. Why don't you use a stop watch sometime and time it for yourself one day while you are out of school enjoying your vacation? You know damn well that the QB express tracks are at capacity due to station dwell time, especially at Roosevelt Ave. The Strappie board can use your insight, and don't ask me who they are like you did once before because I know for a fact you post there too! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 4 14:47:39 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 14:06:07 2007. Bill why try???You know it and i know it. If this young man wants to know let him take a test (when hes old enough) come down here and see for himself.. A year or two of being Extra Extra in the B Div will Answer all of his questions!! He can see for himself frist hand, if he makes it past Schoolcar of coruse and his probation.. |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 14:49:40 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 13:56:13 2007. An express train has no more nor ability to move from point A to point B than a local train. It just skips lesser used stations, that's all. And most express runs save no more than five minutes, not much time savings there. |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 15:14:41 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 14:49:40 2007. It just skips lesser used stations, that's all.Not necessarily. |
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