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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 30 20:18:39 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 30 20:11:09 2007. Anyway, can't you contact Bobby Cuza for Nilet? He may help. |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 30 20:18:49 2007, in response to Cop Incident Update, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 20:17:32 2007. Get your father to sue him on your behalf |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 20:20:13 2007, in response to Re: Cop Incident Update, posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 30 20:18:49 2007. Wrong kind of lawyer. Also, he doesn't work in law anymore. |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 30 20:22:10 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 30 20:18:39 2007. From New York 1......and the Daily News... ...This is In Transit. |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 20:55:47 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by BIE on Mon Apr 30 19:20:58 2007. When I said I am not part of the group, I meant the railfan group. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 21:08:13 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:11:14 2007. Since you can't prove any monetary loss from the deletion of the pictures, I think the only money you could get would be for the cost of the software to restore the deleted pictures, unless the court wants to invoke some sort of punitive damages. Joining the class action seems to be the best route to take. |
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Posted by JPC on Mon Apr 30 21:09:08 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Nilet,Please for God's sake get in touch with the NYCLU and get their advice and support. You may also get some assistance from Scott Morgan at Flex Your Rights - www.flexyourrights.org I am particularly concerned that you were handcuffed. This is a legitimate procedure if the officer feels you are likely to be a threat to their safety. I very strongly feel that that was not the case - and if so, this would be false arrest. You should have asked, "Am I under arrest," or "Am I free to go" as you were being cuffed. If not, you may have a case for false arrest, which is a serious offence for the officers to commit (probably more serious than the destruction of property). It's definitely worth looking into if you're going to pursue the legal route. I'm relieved that you got their badge numbers. Just make sure you know what department they're with. Most likely NYPD, although it's also possible it was MTA PD. Also file a complaint with the Civilian Complaint Review Board. Make sure you get from them an OCD number, because this is how they keep track of complaints. If you call 311 they'll give you a case number but it's useless. Make sure you follow up with the CCRB directly. Also file a complaint with the NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau. This should be done in addition to the CCRB complaint. You may consider CC'ing your complaint to the Mayor's Office, the Police Commissioner's office, and the Chief of Department's office. I would definitely make a case out of this. |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 30 21:28:23 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by JPC on Mon Apr 30 21:09:08 2007. I'm not too sure about sending this to Bloomy, I don't think managing the NYPD is his job |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 21:31:43 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Apr 29 21:26:13 2007. Try sending an e-mail to Channel 7 (The Investigators or 7 on Your Side.)I did that last summer with a problem I was having. They called me two days later and four days after that I was on TV with the problem resolved. They were very nice and after they solved the problem for me by getting my money back, they asked me if I still wanted to go on TV or not. In spite of all the bad things we hear about the media, they were very nice and it seemed like they really cared. I think they investigate very few of the complaints they get, but if it interests them, you're in luck. You could try the other TV stations too. You've got nothing to lose. I was impressed with how quick they got results. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Apr 30 21:32:47 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 21:31:43 2007. Do you have a clip of you being on Channel 7? |
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Posted by NewLots#2 on Mon Apr 30 21:33:58 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 30 21:28:23 2007. They haven't even done anything to the cop that shot the poor un-armed bried groom 50 times. Do you really think they're going to do anything to the cops that did this to you? Especially if yoiiu have no witness statements? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 21:35:25 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 29 21:50:39 2007. You shouldn't say "most". That's just unfair. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 21:44:41 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Apr 30 09:56:59 2007. They couldn't prove perjury if you say you feel sick after being handcuffed just like Nilet can't prove they intentionally deleted the pictures. |
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Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED! |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 21:45:30 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by NewLots#2 on Mon Apr 30 21:33:58 2007. The fucking idiot drove a car at those cops after being told to stop... do you not remember? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 30 21:55:15 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 21:45:30 2007. You think you would have enough balls to call him that to his face if he was alive..or say it to one of his family members NOW?I don't think you are MAN ENOUGH. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 30 21:58:05 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 21:45:30 2007. sorry ''zeno'' (SEAN BELL)did not drive his vehicle ''directly at any cop'' hell, he did not even know why he was MURDERED by one who did not ID himself in any way acc 2 all reports i read and heard about do you have alt. info he did do this ? no !! STFU |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 21:58:11 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by NewLots#2 on Mon Apr 30 21:33:58 2007. Last I heard, the cops involved in the Sean Bell case were facing criminal charges. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 22:03:38 2007, in response to Cop Incident Update, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 20:17:32 2007.  I have now submitted a complaint to the CCRB using their online complaint form. Witnesses would help, but I didn't get the contact info for anyone in the area. I sort of recall that there were a couple TA employees nearby (to help confused people who had just been kicked off the terminating (A) trains find the shuttle beese and get where they need to go) and I was wondering if it would be possible to get the names of people assigned to that location at that time so that I could call upon them as witnesses. I still haven't contacted a lawyer or recovered the pictures, but I plan to do both. Further updates will be posted as events unfold. |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 22:04:55 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 30 21:55:15 2007. I think Al Sharpton has added fuel to the fire of those who believe driving at several police and continuing after identification and guns are shown is completly unacceptable.I am sure Sean Bell was fine other than his previous criminal history. Al Sharpton is much more deserving of death at the hand of police than Mr. Bell. |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 22:06:18 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 22:04:55 2007. BTW, Mr. Bell was probably inebriated and over-excited from his strip club visit. Only one or two cops drank and no more than two beers. |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 22:06:56 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 21:58:11 2007. You sure did hear correctly. Sadly, they were indicted. |
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Posted by NewLots#2 on Mon Apr 30 22:09:51 2007, in response to Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 22:03:38 2007. Actually best not to touch or recover the pics from the memory stick or camera. Bring it to a computer guy and let him write up a report that it was in fact deleted, but don't even let him recover the data. It's the only evidence you have, in that the camera is un-damaged. You're going to have to prove a negative here, that the camera not having any pics is proof that the cops deleted them. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 30 22:11:55 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by SOUTH FERRY on Mon Apr 30 15:54:57 2007. What does that first statement mean in English? (I know, I should know b/c I'm Hispanic.) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 22:14:25 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 30 15:40:04 2007. Does putting handcuffs on someone constitute an arrest? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 22:14:52 2007, in response to Re: Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by NewLots#2 on Mon Apr 30 22:09:51 2007. Well, technically all I have to show is that the camera had pics on it when it was forcibly taken and had no pics on it when it was returned; if the cop deleted the pics deliberately, then it's theft (or vandalism?); if they didn't delete them deliberately, then it's negligence. Either way, the pics were destroyed while the camera was in their possession illegally. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 22:16:34 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Apr 30 21:32:47 2007. My cousin made me a DVD of it. |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Mon Apr 30 22:19:55 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 22:06:18 2007. Only one or two cops drank and no more than two beers.Has all of that information been released yet? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 22:24:57 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 21:45:30 2007. You're assuming he knew they were cops. His friends stated that the cops never identified themselves or if they did, they weren't heard. They continued to drive because they thought they would be robbed. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 30 22:26:41 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by LA Blue Line on Mon Apr 30 22:19:55 2007. Asking the wrong cat here..as he's known for talking out of his rear end. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 30 22:28:58 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 30 21:58:05 2007. I completely agree.I'm waiting for the completely obnoxous response from one of our more INFAMOUS posters here. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 30 22:37:38 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by JPC on Mon Apr 30 21:09:08 2007. Good advice! |
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Posted by JPC on Mon Apr 30 22:51:38 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 30 21:28:23 2007. I'm not too sure about sending this to Bloomy, I don't think managing the NYPD is his jobNot so. The worst case scenario is that the letter ends up in a circular file someplace and nobody does anything about it. The best case scenario is that somebody in the mayor's office (not necessarily Bloomy, but somebody in his office) reads the letter, finds it compelling and starts placing phone calls, and the people called will place further phone calls to find out what the deal is, and the calls start reaching many of the same offices that received the original complaint letters you sent. Now, those offices that received the complaints (and may be inclined to do nothing about it, considering that they receive many, and most have little basis in fact and even less in the law) are receiving phone calls from the mayor's office, from the Chief of Department, from the Commissioner's office asking what this letter is about, and that gives them a little more of an incentive to do something about it. The way to be sure the letter winds up in the "best case" above is to make sure it is compelling. Not by making up stories or making accusations of vast conspiracies (which all end up in the circular file), but by being truthful and straightforward, including many details, and of course having the letter properly structured, respectfully addressed and (though this should go without saying) grammatically and orthographically correct. These are the things that staffers will note in a letter received (among the many they receive every week), and will end up on the top of the pile on their desk. They're the ones they might just make a phone call about. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 30 23:08:15 2007, in response to Re: (SEAN BELL) ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 30 22:28:58 2007. let the ''vermin''sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!! rofl |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 30 23:30:51 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by JPC on Mon Apr 30 22:51:38 2007. Good advice. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 23:43:32 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by JPC on Mon Apr 30 21:09:08 2007. Well... They said I wasn't under arrest. However, they did take the camera; even if they didn't delete the pics, that's still a search and seizure and when I asked for probable cause they just said: "We suspect you're doing something illegal" or words to that effect. (They also said: "We're conducting an investigation" with no further details.) Since they detained me on the scene, they require some standard of proof that I'm doing something wrong; I believe it's "reasonable suspicion" to detain me on the scene and "probable cause" for an actual arrest-and-take-to-station. Perhaps the handcuffs were excessive use of force? I plan on calling the NYCLU tomorrow, and shall be asking for legal advice from them. The flexyourrights.org website mainly just describes your legal rights, which I know (more or less). They don't offer legal assistance. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 30 23:49:31 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 30 22:14:25 2007. No. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Apr 30 23:51:54 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 23:43:32 2007. If you weren't under arrest.....no handcuffs were necessary.Something's wrong very wrong. Wish you had some witnesses though. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 02:25:33 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 08:58:18 2007. Only if it can be proved that it was the bullet that caused his death and not the impact with the sidewalk. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 03:33:17 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by NewLots#2 on Mon Apr 30 21:33:58 2007. I thought he was indicted. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 03:35:55 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 23:43:32 2007. Find out if there are any cameras in the vicinity of the incident that may have captured what happened. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 03:53:54 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 03:35:55 2007. By "cameras" I mean security cameras. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 1 04:03:24 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Mon Apr 30 22:06:56 2007. That's right. When excessive force is used, no one should ask questions. We should just let the police do whatever they want, whenever they want. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue May 1 06:47:03 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Apr 30 16:35:29 2007. This is a public humiliation! |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 1 06:54:02 2007, in response to Re: Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 22:14:52 2007. How are you going to prove the camera was in their possession? Without witnesses or the officers fingerprints on your camera you have no proff. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue May 1 07:22:54 2007, in response to Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 30 22:03:38 2007. Contact Sam Munger of the NYCLU. He's an NYU intern working for the NYCLU in the area of photographers' rights.I think his email is smunger@nyclu.org |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 1 11:15:31 2007, in response to Re: Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Dave on Tue May 1 06:54:02 2007. Don't the officers' own reports say what they did, given that this was an "investigation?" If not, I could try contacting the MTA to see if I could get the names of employees assigned there at that time; I think at least one must have witnessed it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 1 11:58:12 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 30 09:26:12 2007. Euthanasia isn't legal for humans. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 1 11:59:12 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by R30A on Mon Apr 30 17:18:36 2007. Good point. However, the defense that the person was going to die anyway when they hit the pavement would not be allowed. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 12:09:17 2007, in response to Re: Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Tue May 1 11:15:31 2007. It sounds sneaky to me personally. Handcuff you for a second OFF of MTA property, disappear for two seconds,a nd come back. It sounds under the table to me.I bet if you didn't leave the train property and got on the A to go wherever, wouldn't have happened underground or above ground. There's a reason they waited till the street. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 1 12:09:24 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by BIE on Mon Apr 30 19:16:36 2007. I'd don't eat brains. |
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