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Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Wed Oct 18 16:18:32 2006 Is the MTA still looking to extend the tracks at this station south to the NY and Atlantic Railway tracks for new lay-up tracks? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 18 17:18:35 2006, in response to Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Wed Oct 18 16:18:32 2006. Haven't hear a thing about it since it was announced...What they should have done was extend the line east AND west...to cover the BayRidge branch with subway service. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 18 17:37:03 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 18 17:18:35 2006. No, it should have been extended to Kings Plaza.There is more of a demand for bus service to Brooklyn's busiest enclosed shopping mall than a two-way that would only be a hybird for the B6 and B9 bus services. (The B6 already covers most of the east while the B9 covers the west.) There is plenty of bus service that does not justify an east-west extension of the Bay Ridge branch. Besides, you would need two subway lines, an extension of the 5 line to cover one branch (7 days a week) and the 2 line will do the other branch. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 18 18:39:46 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 18 17:37:03 2006. On another thread which referred to what to do with the #7 Line if money were no object, a poster made reference to extending the Nostrand Av Line to Kings Plaza. Although that was one of the projects of the 1970s, the original plan was to extend the line to Av U and later all the way to Emmons Av in Sheepshead Bay. The Kings Plaza idea sounds like a good one, but even better would be to extend the Nostrand Av Line to Sheepshead Bay and utilize the bellmouths S/O Utica Av/E Pky and build a line down Utica Av to Kings Plaza. Something which I thought of which I don't think has ever been considered is to build the Utica Av Line as I indicated and instead of continuing the Nostrand Line to Emmons Av, have it swing east and under Av U to a 4 track joint underground terminal which could be built at Kings Plaza to serve both the extended Nostrand and Utica Lines. It could be configured similarly to Stillwell Av with trains from the Utica Line entering from one end and trains from Nostrand entering from the other. This would also allow for a train arriving from one line to continue to the other if service shortages or delays on one of the lines required it. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Wed Oct 18 21:17:43 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 18 18:39:46 2006. At one point there was supposed to run a branch of the Fulton St IND down Utica to Ave U. As well as the Nostrand Ave to Ave Z, but then came the depression and then WWII and then Robert Moses |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 18 21:45:01 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Wed Oct 18 21:17:43 2006. Not Fulton street..but off the Houston street line to North Brooklyn via South 4th st..Beaver st,Bushwick Avenue...a right on Troutman street to Styvasant avenue,across Fulton st to Utica Avenue..The 4 track station was built right in the ceiling of the Utica avenue station..you can see it cross overhead. Also..if your in the last car of the southbound G line at Broadway station..you can "see" the darkened transfer tunnel that would have taken you to the upper levels where the 6 track South 4th st station is located..there is also a closed off door located in the station where the walkway is. If you look up where the former staircases were..you would see the MEZZ for the unbuilt line. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Wed Oct 18 22:02:45 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 18 21:45:01 2006. I knew about that portion at So 4th St from Houston, but did not know that was supposed to be the Utica Ave line, Always thought it would come off of Fulton St |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 18 23:00:46 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Wed Oct 18 22:02:45 2006. Yeah..it would have been one of the most complicated juctions EVER built..on par with Hoyt st Schemerhorn..and 47/50 st 6th avenue...!The 1929 plan had TWO river tunnels connecting..from the west..double decked..with different plans for the east juction.. The 39' plan had THREE RIVER TUNNELS! Second Avenue.. Worth st.. and Houston street..! Amazing. Imagine if they were to actually FINISH these lines? |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 07:28:16 2006, in response to Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Wed Oct 18 16:18:32 2006. This, of course, is not new.....the original plans for a long time were sections down Nostrand and sections down Utica and a bond issue was passed in the early 50's promising this.....we're all still waiting.As always, they just don't give a you know what about Brooklyn and Queens...large sections of both boroughs have no subway service and not the slightest chance of ever getting it...unlike a city like Paris where the talk is there is a metro station within 100 yards or so of every single location....NYC supposedly the best subway system in the world covers Manhattan and the Bronx fairly well but as far as Brooklyn and Queens are concerned, well Marie Antoinette was quoted once as saying, "Let them eat cake." In NY for the outer boroughts, it's the same...so what if they have to take a bus to the subway...it's Brooklyn and Queens...but let's make sure we build additional subway service in Manhattan...after all in this city only Manhattan counts. While a bit of a stretch, to show who counts in this city, does anybody think if a similar outrage that occurred on the power grid in Queens in July had occurred in Manhattan, it wouldn't have been fixed within 24 hours. We will never see any additional subway service in Brooklyn and Queens because, as Marie Antoinette said, "Let them take buses to the train." But then again I thought this was one big happy city. |
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Posted by Fytton on Thu Oct 19 07:42:09 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 07:28:16 2006. "...unlike a city like Paris where the talk is there is a metro station within 100 yards or so of every single location...."I don't disagree with your main contention, but in fairness it should be pointed out that the City of Paris (inside the city limits) is really only the equivalent of Manhattan, not of five-boroughs NYC. Many of the underprivileged areas of greater Paris are in other boroughs ouside the city limits of Paris proper. The criterion of metro stations very close to all locations doesn't really apply outside the city limits, and much of the banlieu (as the outer areas are called) is served by the RER rather than the Metro. Nevertheless the Paris Metro is a cool system, of course. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 15:47:37 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 07:28:16 2006. I hate to be the one to say this..but you are right ...AND WRONG.If you look at the current expantion plan...you'll see that there is NOTHING headed for Brooklyn.. Queens..? LIRR 63RD ST Connection.. Nothing for the Bronx nor Staten Island... Even Staten Island has a PROPOSAL on the TABLE.. Nothing for the rest of us. EVERYTHING new is for MANHATTAN... Makes you wonder what the hell is going on? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 15:47:37 2006. Yes. It's called common sense.Queens has had the largest increase in population of any subway-served borough, and has the smallest amount of subway trackage and fewest stations. The presence of the LIRR helps a little, but doesn't answer the primary need. So system expansion does, appropriately, focus on Queens. Some Queens projects help Brooklyn, too. AirTrain and the renovated Jamaica station welcome passengers from Atlantic Av terminal and East New York. The Archer Av project benefitted J riders from Brooklyn. Even the Second av subway will indirectly help Brooklyn; the first leg gives Q riders from Brooklyn an extension to the UES and fully ADA stations along Hospital Row. The 7 extension to Javits benefits Brooklyn riders too, in that one transfer will get them to Javits on a train. The reconstruction of the Manhattan Bridge and rehabilitation of the Williamsburg Bridge was of direct benefit to Brooklyn subway patrons. Brooklyn has had Stillwell Av and Atlantic av stations completely rebuilt and enhanced. While more subway extensions would be nice, a much higher priority is rebuilding/rehabbing Brooklyn stations and lines (like the Sea Beach). Brooklyn is very well served by subway lines, on the whole. Complaints that Brooklyn doesn't get subway projects are just silly prattle. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 16:07:14 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 18 18:39:46 2006. If you've made it to Emmons, don't stop there! There's a tremendous traffic generator just across the bay. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 16:10:31 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 07:28:16 2006. You're absolutely right. Everybody who rides the subway in Brooklyn remains within Brooklyn. Nobody ever rides the subway between Brooklyn and Manhattan. The only people who benefit from system expansions in Manhattan are Manhattan residents. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:12:28 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 16:10:31 2006. And even those residents bitch about what they get! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 16:21:03 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 16:10:31 2006. Oh shut up.You Manhattanite..! LOL! Kidding! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 19 16:31:10 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 16:10:31 2006. Everybody who rides the subway in Brooklyn remains within Brooklyn.In contrast, I have met Manhattanites who truly have never taken the subway out of their borough. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 16:34:08 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006. We've ben thur this all before..and I'd rather not get into the long lengthy drawn out ARGUEMENT with you over simatics...Needless to say..but I will say it anyway...You rub people the wrong way. Work on your personality.... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:36:03 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 16:34:08 2006. "simatics...""You rub people the wrong way." Is that what simantics is all about? :0) |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:02:26 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006. "Brooklyn is very well served by subway lines, on the whole. Complaints that Brooklyn doesn't get subway projects are just silly prattle.Take a look at a subway map...how is the area south of the junction along that corridor and to the east through East Flatbush and Canarsie and into the Starett City area well served by rapid transit...when I was a kid I lived on Church Avenue and Schenectady and had to pay for 2 fares...when I was a teen ager and lived in Canarsie and had to pay 2 fares on the damn B6 bus to get to the junction or to Rockaway Parkway.....there has been no attempt, despite the fact they are populous areas, to remedy that situation since that 1950's bond issue which promised extensions along Nostrand Avenue and Utica Avenue. Today, everything is for Manhattan....nobody gives a damn about the outer boroughs, especially intra borough transportation....if I'm heading to downtown Brooklyn from anywhere in Mill Basin, it's a bus (sometimes two buses) to the subway...why don't I deserve rapid transit....nobody can deny that Manhattan always gets preferential treatment in most everything.... |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:07:15 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 16:10:31 2006. David...It's a degree...of course, as somebody noted, the expansion of the system in Manhattan benefits many Brooklynites, maybe even a majority of Brooklynites who ride the subway....but it does nothing for the inconvenience many Brooklynites face in having to take a bus to the subway every time they want to go into the city and again please tell me that there aren't large areas of Brooklyn and Queens which are not served by subways...in many cases it is a historic accident where subway lines are located but one of the reasons for the amalgamatin of the city of New York at the end of the 19th century was to unite the city into one big happy city but since 1940 or thereabouts, there hasn't been one subway project to provide subway service to those areas which don't have it...tweaking here and there yes to benefit those who already have subway service but nothing to serve the large areas of Brooklyn and Queens without subway service. and the sad part is there is not the slightest inclination to do anything about it because after all they can take buses... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:09:07 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:02:26 2006. You can't serve an area with rapid transit just for the heck of it unless you cover all of the expenses. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu Oct 19 19:14:50 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:09:07 2006. Are you suggesting that new subway service in Canarsie, Flatlands, Spring Creek, East Flatbush, South Jamaica, Queens Village, or other comparable places would not have ridership levels comparable to existing lines? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:17:11 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:07:15 2006. "tell me that there aren't large areas of Brooklyn and Queens which are not served by subways..."Queens has far less subway service than Brooklyn and a much larger proportion of population with no subway service. Brooklyn has more subway service than all of Philadelphia and Miami combined and more stations than the entire WMATA system. Agreed that it could use more, but subway money in Brooklyn right now is best spent on rebuilding stations and tracks. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:21:59 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:17:11 2006. I don't agree with that synopsis. Brooklyn could benefit more from expanded rail than renovations. This is not to detract from the renovations that have been done, but off-hand, I really think that only 2 of them really helped commuters out in a very meaningful way.I do agree that Queens needs extensions of service more than Brooklyn. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:22:29 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:02:26 2006. "Take a look at a subway map...how is the area south of the junction along that corridor and to the east through East Flatbush and Canarsie and into the Starett City area well served by rapid transit...when I was a kid I lived on Church Avenue and Schenectady and had to pay for 2 fares...when I was a teen ager and lived in Canarsie and had to pay 2 fares on the damn B6 bus to get to the junction or to Rockaway Parkway"You'd be far worse off in Queens. ".....there has been no attempt, despite the fact they are populous areas, to remedy that situation since that 1950's bond issue which promised extensions along Nostrand Avenue and Utica Avenue." And there should be no attempt now, before Brooklyn's subway lines have been overhauled and brought to a state of good repair. The MTA has made a lot of progress there but there's still more work to be done. The Manhattan subway expansions are projects that serve everyone who rides the subway, including Brooklyn residents, many of whom have been asking for a SAS so the Lex trains aren't so crowded. Stop whining. If you want more lines in Brooklyn, write to your elected officials, put a coalitio together and see if you can get the political support needed for a project to be identified and entered into the Capital Plan. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:22:36 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:09:07 2006. Name one line that covers all of its expenses. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:25:38 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:22:29 2006. And there should be no attempt now, before Brooklyn's subway lines have been overhauled and brought to a state of good repair. The MTA has made a lot of progress there but there's still more work to be done.That's might hold water if brooklyn's existing subways were in such a state of disrepair that they might become unsafe. As this is not the case, planners need to give foresight into how they might efficiently extend service to those areas. The fact that there is a useable ROW that would get you as far as Glenwood Road and Utica is something that should be considered. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:26:41 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006. I think that Brooklyn can be served better by subway lines, especially the IRT. Here are my plans.Nostrand Avenue Line extended down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. Utica Avenue Line that would run from either/and the Fulton Street and Broadway lines to Kings Plaza. Livonia Avenue Line extended to JFK via New Lots, Dumont, Fountain, Linden, Conduit/Nassau Expressway, Lefferts, Pan Am, 130th, Bergen, North Service, Van Wyck Expressway, Serves all JFK terminals clockwise ending at Terminal 1. Canarsie Line restored to Canarsie Pier. 9th Avenue-Ditmas Avenue line restored. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:27:42 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006. While more subway extensions would be nice, a much higher priority is rebuilding/rehabbing Brooklyn stations and lines (like the Sea Beach).It's this way of thinking (that you can't maintain and expand simultaneously) that limits subway expansion. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:28:44 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu Oct 19 19:14:50 2006. No, I when I said "area", I subliminally meant Mill Basin. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:29:45 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:22:36 2006. How can a non-living subway tunnel/elevated structure pay money? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:29:53 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:21:59 2006. "This is not to detract from the renovations that have been done, but off-hand, I really think that only 2 of them really helped commuters out in a very meaningful way."Which two are those? I can think of several. Besides the major ones (Atlantic, Stillwell, and the Franklin Av Shuttle), there are the ADA station upgrades (and the corresponding ones in Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx, since if you get on in Brooklyn, you have to be able to get off somewhere else too) and of course the track work. The Archer Av project, while not in Brooklyn, directly helps Brooklyn commuters by offering them (J riders) a transfer to E and LIRR (and AirTrain) in the same facility. Ditto for the rebuilt JFK-Howard Beach station. Now, of course, you can blow off all the rest asirrelevant, but that's OK because most riders in Brooklyn will not agree with you. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:29:59 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:26:41 2006. Yeah, that's great if we're planning in a vacuum. But such a plan would not be feasible.Use of the Bay Ridge ROW (connecting at it's west end to ANY subway line it crosses, though I often suggest the Crosstown/Culver due to it's relative underuse) would be an efficient means of extending service to southeastern Brooklyn. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:30:48 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:25:38 2006. Fine - then talk to the pols and get it onto the planning process for the next Capital Plan. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:35:11 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:29:53 2006. Which two are those? I can think of several. Besides the major ones (Atlantic, Stillwell, and the Franklin Av Shuttle),I was thinking Stillwell and FAS. I had forgotten about Atlantic, so I will give you 3. there are the ADA station upgrades (and the corresponding ones in Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx, since if you get on in Brooklyn, you have to be able to get off somewhere else too) That really only helps a limited subset of people, and these people already get door-to-door service if they need it. The Archer Av project, while not in Brooklyn, directly helps Brooklyn commuters by offering them (J riders) a transfer to E and LIRR (and AirTrain) in the same facility. Ditto for the rebuilt JFK-Howard Beach station. Really then, that applies to anyone: I could say that Archer helped people in Staten Island, since they could now take the J or E to Jamaica. but that's OK because most riders in Brooklyn will not agree with you. You do realize that a LOT of riders believe the current system is inept and poorly managed, right? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:38:11 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:29:59 2006. You're right, it might not be that much feasible at the moment.Also, I can agree to at least a light rail system on the Bay Ridge ROW. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:42:55 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:27:42 2006. And it's a good way of thinking because maintenance DOES limit your expansion. Theres only so much money in the budget.But if you can persuade the State legislature to cough up more money, that's great. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:48:31 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:35:11 2006. "That really only helps a limited subset of people, and these people already get door-to-door service if they need it."The last time I checked, people with shopping bags who like escalators and elevators had to pay for their own door to door service if they couldn't use the subway. And paratransit is considered, even by most of the disabled community, to be a necessary evil. "Really then, that applies to anyone: I could say that Archer helped people in Staten Island, since they could now take the J or E to Jamaica. " By way of a free ferry to boot, sure. I agree with you. "You do realize that a LOT of riders believe the current system is inept and poorly managed, right? " A LOT MORE riders do not think so. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:52:36 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:29:45 2006. You tell me. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 19:55:47 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 19 16:31:10 2006. Exactly. During rush hours, when the subway is most crowded, many if not most residents of the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn who are on the subway are riding to or from Manhattan, while most residents of Manhattan who are on the subway remain within Manhattan.So a system expansion in Manhattan will probably attract lots of riders from all boroughs, while a system expansion in another borough will attract primarily riders from that borough. I'd love to see an extension of the IRT to Sheepshead Bay, or, ideally, just beyond. It would make my commute much easier. But I would be in a small minority of non-Brooklyn residents who ride the extension, while Manhattan residents would probably make up a minority, or only a slight majority, of passengers on a new line in Manhattan. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 19:56:14 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 16:34:08 2006. You're only just noticing this now? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:57:40 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 19:56:14 2006. You were too busy irritating him... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 20:00:54 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 19:52:36 2006. Even though I asked you first, I can't since there no scientific way I can think of that would make that possible. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 20:04:19 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:02:26 2006. You haven't noticed that two-fare zones are now one-fare zones? Free intermodal transfers are of little use to most Manhattan residents but slashed the fare in half for many outer borough residents.Many of those evil people in Manhattan take very short rides to work -- a few stops on the local -- but they pay no less than somebody who rides a bus a few miles and then transfers to the subway for the long ride into Manhattan. Shouldn't you be grateful to them for their subsidy? As a Manhattan resident who takes two trains and a bus to get to work in Brooklyn, I sure am. Even though I take great advantage of it myself, I happen to think that the current fare structure is highly inequitable. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 20:05:51 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 20:04:19 2006. Nicely written! |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 20:06:45 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 20:04:19 2006. In many enlightened cities of the world, a ticket is valid for as many transfer as needed within say a 2 hour period...just because somebody takes a bus to the subway to get to work doesn't automatically mean they should pay a higher fare....allowing transfer from bus to subway was something that should have been done a century before. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 20:10:58 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 20:04:19 2006. A couple of years ago, I rode the Q46 Bus from its terminal at the Nassau County border all the way to the Unio Turnpike IND station. Then I rode the F train all the way Metrotech in Brooklyn.How much of a subsidy did I get from the student who got on at 96 Street on the Lex and got off at Hunter College? It's obscene. And just think, my train was probably not as crowded as his was. I had a seat and read my magazine in comfort the whole way while he joined the rest of the sardines on the Lex. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 20:13:29 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 20:06:45 2006. So Brooklyn is enlightened too. What more do you want? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 20:13:41 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 19:48:31 2006. A LOT MORE riders do not think so.I doubt that. |
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