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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at Newark |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 00:19:19 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at Newark, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Oct 11 18:11:09 2006. No you weren't. That was a post-hypnotic suggestion you gave yourself because I said "Disney". |
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Re: One or two that got away === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Oct 12 00:20:10 2006, in response to Re: One or two that got away === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 00:17:20 2006. yeah. I was a bit quick to the punch there, but I have posted photobucket pix without the link in the past. |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 01:31:13 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 11 16:18:06 2006. I don't think he can. Where's Ron? Somebody needs to diagnose him with Aspergers. |
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Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Oct 12 01:38:16 2006, in response to 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 11 23:32:54 2006. I feel like I’ve had an instant education in C VI’s, thanks!Bill |
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Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires... |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 12 01:59:40 2006, in response to Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 11 16:44:13 2006. Actually a third and fourth door which are high level: I would think that while the distance between the trap-equipped vestibule doors and the high plat only mid-body cars is sufficient to reduce crowding amongst boarding passengers. For NJT to have vestibule doors at the end of the car the door has to slide into the carbody inboard of the carend. In order to have a wider door you'd have to place a double leaf door where the high plat door is, which would place the trap where the truck is, something I believe the designers wish to avoid and that wouldn't make for easier boarding than the as built design. The alternative would be a single leaf door at the end of the car which was as long as a double leaf door. But as the LIRR's C3 and M7 experience shows that can be troublesome, and over time the potential for problems from that arrangement is quite great. The possibility that the trap would intrude on the truck's swing area is also quite great. As with the double leaf door located around the quarter point the very wide door at the car end also would not improve passenger flow when compared to the as built arrangement. In this instance I believe NJT has actually chosen the best alternative for their solution, especially when some rumors had it that previous incarnations of this design would be devoid of traps and thus low platform capability. |
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Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premieres... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 06:46:51 2006, in response to Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires..., posted by WillD on Thu Oct 12 01:59:40 2006. Yeah. Was gonna say that after I saw Ricky's pics but forgot. I agree with your analysis. |
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Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 12 07:34:13 2006, in response to 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 11 23:32:54 2006. Those photos are nice. I wanna ride those cars! |
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Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 07:45:14 2006, in response to Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 12 07:34:13 2006. I want to ride them too. Once on the lower level just so I can experience starting at everyone's feet on the platform, but then after that always on the top level with a better view than from a single level coach. |
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Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 12 07:52:56 2006, in response to 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 11 23:32:54 2006. Nice looking coaches, no middle seats and clothing-friendly armrests. Now we just need some SCA's for that 'lifelike' realism. Thanks for teh photos.your pal, Fred |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Oct 12 07:55:38 2006, in response to NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 10 22:00:00 2006. Are these the same cars one sees on MART around Baltimore? Who is the manufacturer? |
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Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 08:27:47 2006, in response to Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 07:45:14 2006. On the lower level try not to look at feet, there are females on platforms and view is gorgeous from that angle.I know railfans don't neccesaritly be atracted to females and may not be compatible at all, but it may get you a new interest or hobby. you be amazed at the shortage of underwear in these regions. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 08:28:59 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Oct 12 07:55:38 2006. NJT cars are made by Bombardier, the MARC -VRE cars were made by Kawasaki, so were the LIRR C3's |
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Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 08:29:40 2006, in response to Re: 27 PHOTOS === NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 08:27:47 2006. point noted |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Oct 12 09:51:29 2006, in response to NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 10 22:00:00 2006. The local rag up here stated that they are compatible with ALL NJT lines...would this include the PJ line? It certainly would be a solution for increasing capacity without increasing the number of trains - a must with the PJL being one track... |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 09:53:24 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Oct 12 09:51:29 2006. I don't know. That would be a good question to ask of the career NJT railroaders at Railroad.net. In any event, I doubt they would run to PJ since that is MNCR. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Oct 12 10:12:54 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 08:28:59 2006. I see, thanks. I wonder which we will lik ebetter....? |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Oct 12 11:58:05 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 09:53:24 2006. I was thinking in terms of MNCR someday buying similar bi-levels...the reason the local rag gave such big coverage was for the local folks who get squeezed onto the Comets at SJ.... |
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Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires... |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Oct 12 12:43:42 2006, in response to Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires..., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Oct 11 16:06:45 2006. Low platform areas are on the South (Trenton) side of both stations. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Oct 12 12:46:18 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at Newark, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Oct 11 17:36:55 2006. Compare them with the other pictures posted in the thread. You will see that there’s great similarities! |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by mkeit on Thu Oct 12 13:15:48 2006, in response to NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 10 22:00:00 2006. NJ Transit gears up for multi-level train serviceOn Dec. 11, New Jersey Transit will begin operating its first multi-level train on the Northeast Corridor between Trenton, N.J., and New York. The agency expects to have nine multi-level trains ready for service in December; car builder Bombardier Transportation will begin delivering the remaining 225 cars in February. As vehicles are delivered and tested, NJ Transit will replace single-level cars on its busiest lines ? the Northeast Corridor, North Jersey Coast Line and MidTOWN DIRECT line. The new cars have up to 20 percent more seating capacity compared with a single-level car, as well as an upper and lower seating level and mezzanine level. The cars also feature large, tinted windows, wider aisles, fully accessible restrooms, automated public-address systems, LED screens, external public-address speakers, and wheelchair, cart, stroller and luggage areas. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey contributed $250 million toward the first 100 multi-level cars, which eventually will operate through the Trans-Hudson Express Tunnel. The two agencies are building the tunnels beneath the New Jersey Palisades and Hudson River to a new station beneath Manhattan?s 34th Street that will connect to Penn Station. |
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Posted by mkeit on Thu Oct 12 13:19:30 2006, in response to Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 11 16:55:41 2006. The Silverliner V will have both dedicated high-level and convertible doors. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 12 14:17:09 2006, in response to Re: And the Train of Tomorrow premeires..., posted by mkeit on Thu Oct 12 13:19:30 2006. Which is too bad. Both Rotem and Kawasaki, when asked by DVARP, said that it'd be perfectly possible to have all doors on the Silverliner V be capable of both high and low platform boarding had SEPTA specified it. Unfortunately it seems SEPTA has this delusion that they'll be eliminating high platforms and only needs two traps per car. |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 14:31:13 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Oct 12 09:51:29 2006. I guess it could happen at the point that MTA and NJT gets together and jointly fund bi-levels, but this group is being paid for by NJT. |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Oct 12 15:20:41 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 14:31:13 2006. ....um, the MTA already HAS bi-levels. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 12 15:34:57 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Oct 12 15:20:41 2006. Yes, the LIRR has them, not the MNRR West-of-Hudson service. Additionally, the LIRR C3s cannot fit through the Hudson River tubes and lack traps so they'd be completely useless for service on the PJ line. If the MTA wants bilevels on the PJ line they'd have to place a piggyback or joint option order with NJT for the Comet VI or devise a method by which something like a Bombardier Bilevel found on western Commuter Rail lines could be operated on the PJ line from Hoboken. |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 15:45:55 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 14:31:13 2006. Don't be surprised to see Comet VIs in Port Jervis, speaking of. |
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Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 15:48:42 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 15:45:55 2006. I will be surprised. What are you going to do to change that? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 17:48:08 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 15:48:42 2006. Change what? This is NJT; surprises are part and parcel of it. Anything on the Hoboken Division can and will travel on all lines. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 17:51:51 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 17:48:08 2006. No, not really. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 18:21:50 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 17:51:51 2006. Yes, really. (I didn't mean that Hoboken Division cars would wander onto the Newark Division.) There are those Metro-North Comet Vs that have appeared on the Morristown and Montclair-Boonton lines. Keep yer eyes out for bilevels in Port Jervis . . . |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 19:10:35 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 18:21:50 2006. No, I won't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 19:56:32 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 19:10:35 2006. OK, nobody's twisting your arm to. But they'll be there, your eyes notwithstanding. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Oct 12 19:58:48 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 19:56:32 2006. Seeing as there are NJT-variety cars on the Jervis Line, I find Comet VIs on that line plausible. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Oct 12 19:58:48 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 19:56:32 2006. Seeing as there are NJT-variety cars on the Jervis Line, I find Comet VIs on that line plausible. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Oct 12 20:38:51 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 18:21:50 2006. The local rag said that MN is renting several Comet Vs to NJT right now.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 21:22:23 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 19:56:32 2006. Get back to me when they are. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 21:29:12 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by WillD on Thu Oct 12 15:34:57 2006. Additionally, the LIRR C3s cannot fit through the Hudson River tubes and lack traps so they'd be completely useless for service on the PJ line.What are traps? I think it's dumb they ordered cars that can't fit through a tunnel that's so close by. If the MTA wants bilevels on the PJ line they'd have to place a piggyback or joint option order with NJT for the Comet VI or devise a method by which something like a Bombardier Bilevel found on western Commuter Rail lines could be operated on the PJ line from Hoboken. Could Bilevels operate on the regular MNRR routes? As in on the Park Avenue tunnel? If so, maybe MNRR can purchase bilevels for both sides of the hudson. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 21:41:54 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 21:29:12 2006. Trap doors.Why? There was no plan to run the LIRR to NJ when those cars were ordered. And very few of them operate into NYP as it is. No, bilevels can not operate through the Park Av tunnel and/or GCT. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 22:01:00 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Oct 12 20:38:51 2006. Correct when MNCR replaced its fleet of 38 west of Hudson cars they bought 65 Comet V's from Alstom.So there is plenty of redundancy in west of Hudson Fleet, once the MultiLevels come online expect the Port Jervice trains to get one or two more cars. There is no plan for MNCR to buy any Multilevels for either side of Hudson. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 22:04:27 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 21:41:54 2006. Actually the LIRR C1's were tested in GCT with the LIRR Fl-9ac'sThey only fit on the two park avenue center tracks but had no platform restrictions, they could not go around the loop tracks however. But MNCR has no current plans for any multilevel purchases. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:09:19 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 22:04:27 2006. Ah, ok. Thanks. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:34:26 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 22:04:27 2006. What were C1s? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:38:27 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:34:26 2006. Comet I cars |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:40:51 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:38:27 2006. Ah, thanks.So, are the LIRR C3s comet IIIs? I didn't think they were. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:43:09 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:40:51 2006. No, LIRR's C3 does not stand for "Comet III". I'm guessing "Coach 3" or "Class 3" but I have no idea. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:52:16 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:43:09 2006. So, the LIRR used to have Comet I's which were double decked cars?Where can I find pics of Comet I's? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:55:49 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:52:16 2006. No, NJT did. And they still run some of them.You can find photos of everything at my site. I run a one stop shop. Did search for it in the search box at the top of my Gallery. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:56:12 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:52:16 2006. No, NJT did. And they still run some of them.You can find photos of everything at my site. I run a one stop shop. Do a search for it in the search box at the top of my Gallery. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 12 23:00:23 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 12 22:52:16 2006. They were not Comet 1's the LIRR C1's were doubledecker test cars built by Tokyu car, the cars are off the roster and are now stored on Naugatuck Valley RR in Torrington Ct.http://64.246.11.82/images/3/300.jpg.39166.jpg |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 12 23:04:52 2006, in response to Re: NJT Comet VI multilevels preview at NWK tomorrow, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 12 22:43:09 2006. "Coach 3". |
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