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When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006 Very few photos showing the transition between the lighting are out there. I'm curious to know when this occured, and if any of you old-timers (with all due respect) can recall and give me an idea of how the subway was during the days of incandescent lighting, and how long did it take flourescent lighting to completely dominate the system.I can say that the IRT Chambers Street station's mezzanine if the only spot I recall seeing in many years that still has incandescent lighting, though it's strictly by the platform stairways and dominated by flourescent lighting all around it. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by andy on Thu Oct 5 06:01:24 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. The first stations to have flourescent lights installed new were the A train extension from Rockaway Ave. to Euclid Ave. that opened late in 1948. Beginning in the mid-1950s older stations were retrofitted, often as part of larger projects to renew and rehab entire lines. Good example is the #1 line, which in 1958-59 received a major overhaul of all stations between 42nd Street and 96th Street. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by andy on Thu Oct 5 06:01:24 2006. Which I suppose gave birth to those HORRENDOUS, bland beige tiles and the closing of the 91st St. station am I right? Judging by your knowledge, did you ever get to frequent said station?I find it strange that the #1 stations north of 96th St got platform extensions first, in the form of almost-uniform IND-style tilework and extensions that barely clashed with the original station. Now those were great retrofits, and thus renovations on those stations should be easier. But being that (to this day) the area above 96th is mostly residential, I wonder why it got the extensions first. I also hear that incandescent-lighted stations stretched all the way into the 1980's. Which considering the conditions of the system by that time must've been nightmarish to even be in. All sorts of anti-social/criminal stuff waiting to happen and whatnot. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Oct 5 07:49:08 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006. This is very true. The IND Concourse Line wasn't completely fluorescent, at platform level, until the mid 80s. Some mezzanines still aren't fluorescent. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 5 08:08:56 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. Hard to say when the entire system went over to fluorescents.My old home station, Union Turnpike on the QB IND line had yellow bulbs until the middle of 1985, despite the fact that the other express stations west of Union Turnpike (71-Continental, Roosevelt, Queens Plaza) went fluorescent in the 1960's. There are still some mezzanines aroud that still have yellow bulbs. 14th Street on the West Side IRT still has a lot of them. Only the turnstile area has fluorescent lights. I'll bet the lesser used stations, like Bowery on the BMT and Vernon-Jackson and Hunter's Point Avenue on the IRT still have bulbs in the mezzanines. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 5 09:12:11 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Oct 5 07:49:08 2006. Part of the B'way Nassau mezz isn't flourescent. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Thu Oct 5 12:16:38 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006. Up until the late 1950s, the #1 line operated two services: Express trains from 242 St to Brooklyn (express south of 96 St only) and local trains from 137 St to South Ferry. (At this time, all #3 line trains operated local to South Ferry). Local trains were only 5 cars, so the short local platforms on the original 1904 subway section were able to accommodate them.The platforms were lengthened on the stretch above 96th St earlier to accommodate longer express trains. The platform lengthenings south of 96th in the 1950s allowed all #1 trains to use the local tracks and #3 trains on the express tracks, with longer trains and fewer delays due to switching at 96th. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 5 12:19:33 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. In Grand Central Terminal, several locations use the Compact fluorescent bulbs in place of the older incandescent bulbs.The casual commuter might not notice. It would be interesting if a single, historic station employed these cfb to give the feel of history. Perhaps the Court St. station. avid |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 12:26:18 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. It happened slowly, over time. The first stations with flourescents were Euclid, Shepherd, Van Siclen and Liberty Aves. on the A line, which had them from the very beginning in 1948. The last 2 stations to have their platform incandescents replaced were Church Ave and Ft. Hamilton Parkway on the F, in 1987. It was a 4 decade process. Many stations still had incandescents into the 1980's. Many stations on Fulton St, including most local stations, as well as stations east of Continental Ave on the Queens IND. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 12:28:18 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 5 09:12:11 2006. That's deliberate. There's an artwork there which specifically uses incandescents. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 12:35:26 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 5 08:08:56 2006. Continental, Roosevelt and Queens Plaza remained incandescent will into the 1970's. Roosevelt, 1971:  Roosevelt, 1977: 
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 5 13:23:04 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 5 08:08:56 2006. IIRC Union Turnpike had fluorescent lighting by the fall of 1985. I used that station while in the city that October. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 5 13:40:34 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. 9th Avenue on the D has incandescent at the ends of the platforms |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by JBar387 on Thu Oct 5 16:39:54 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006. Van Wyck Blvd. Now Briarwood/Van Wyck was incandescent-lighted almost toward the end of the 80's I don't remember when the lighting was switch, But I do remember it was the last station to recive flo. light on the Queens Blvd. Line. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 5 17:04:00 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. Flourescent? The lights are made out of ground up wheat . . . ? Bleached, I would assume?Fluorescent lasts longer than incandescent, obviously. Also, there ain't as much red and infrared radiation coming from fluorescent lighting. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 17:12:33 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 5 17:04:00 2006. Flourescents also provide more light for the amount of electricity used. The incandescent bulb should be relegated to the history books. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 17:13:23 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by JBar387 on Thu Oct 5 16:39:54 2006. It was already converted by 1986. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Oct 5 17:42:27 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006. Pelham Parkway on the IRT White Plains Road line and Buhre Ave & Middletown Road on the IRT Pelham Line had incandescent lighting until sometime in 2001!--Mark |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by andy on Thu Oct 5 18:10:48 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006. 91st was closed in Feb. 1959 when the local station platforms from 50th to 86th Streets, inclusive, were lengthened to ten cars. At the same time the 96th Street station was rebuilt with new entrances on Broadway between 93rd and 94th Streets, making 91st Street superfluous. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:13:15 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Oct 5 07:49:08 2006. I'm surprised how those dingy light bulbs went for decades (or were they replaced occasionally?) unaltered.Going by a photo I just saw on nycsubway.org, 71st-Continental was still incandescent by the beginning of the '80's. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:14:43 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:13:15 2006. Woops, I meant Union Turnpike. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:21:38 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 17:12:33 2006. On a negligable downside, flourescent lighting does bring out the flaws in a person (face, clothes etc.) who might prefer to depend on dimmer lighting to "cloak" their appearance somewhat....heh heh...........heh. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 19:49:17 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 5 13:23:04 2006. A number of stations on the "G" line (i.e. Greenpt, Nassau, Metropolitan/Grand") were incandescent till as late as 1984.wayne |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 19:50:09 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 5 13:40:34 2006. And IIRC there are cf's fitted in them and they have somehow managed to get landmarked status, that is why they are still there.wayne |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 20:15:34 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 19:50:09 2006. Does that explain why some stations (specifically on the IRT) still have their fixtures and burned-out/dead bulbs still in place? |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 5 20:15:34 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by andy on Thu Oct 5 06:01:24 2006. Actually, Bway/ENY was the last station on Fulton St not to have fluourescent lights as original equipment and along with Church Av on the F Line was one of the last stations to receive them. Some of the posts make reference to the elevated stations. The elevated stations were among the last to receive fluorescents and many of them had incandescent bulbs at the uncovered portions even after the portions under the canopies received fluorescents. Some open air stations received sodium or mercury vapor lights on the uncovered portions but unfortunately many of them gave off less light than the incandescents they replaced. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 22:10:59 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 5 20:15:34 2006. I don't think the uncovered portions of the el stations count so much, since to this day a lot still contain incandescent bulbs. |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 23:16:16 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 22:10:59 2006. Oh yeah.............anyone happen to know when the phasing out of station kiosks began/ended? And were they ever on the IND/BMT lines? |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 23:21:52 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 22:10:59 2006. Oh yeah.............anyone happen to know when the phasing out of station kiosks began/ended? And were they ever on the IND/BMT lines? |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 5 23:39:26 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 19:50:09 2006. Interestingly, at Myrtle-Bway, they installed "retro" lighting which looks just like the original fixtures (except they are slightly taller, and less of them). They don't take bulbs though. But to the casual person, they wouldn't have even known they weren't original. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 23:40:53 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 20:15:34 2006. I don't think that those would warrant landmark status - perhaps Stations just hasnt gotten around to taking them out (see Wilson Avenue upper level on the "L" where there are dozens of these lamps), but at 9 Avenue the cast iron lamps were allowed to remain. Several years ago I had contacted the station manager about something to do with the lower level - and had mentioned that I found the cast iron lights to be very aesthetically pleasing. That's how I found out that they had been protected.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 23:44:34 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 5 23:39:26 2006. Sheepshead Bay has them, so does Qveensborovgh Plaza (upper level) and 161st St-Yankee Stadium. They take sodium vapor bulbs. The casting was taken from a 1917 original. I was surprised that when they did Atlantic Avenue on the "L" that they didn't do a retrofit there. Same for Broadway Junction ("J"). Maybe when they get rid of those silly goosenecks they'll put in some "Myrtles".wayne |
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Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 5 23:58:40 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 12:28:18 2006. I know. The ceiling artwork. |
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Posted by rushhoursardine on Fri Oct 6 00:21:55 2006, in response to When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 05:10:49 2006. Okay, guys, we've talked a lot about the stations switching bulbs. Now, a tougher one--when did the last CAR with incandescent bulbs run in service? I don't know the answer, so this isn't a teaser. |
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Posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Oct 6 00:42:12 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by rushhoursardine on Fri Oct 6 00:21:55 2006. Well until the late 1990s almost every elevated station on the J line had incandescent lighting before they were renovated and the entire elevated portion of the Broadway Junction stop had them until 2002 as did Atlantic Ave and Sutter Ave on the L. Sutter Ave had the best ones they were real antique looking and should have been landmarked. Almost every mezzanine level on an underground station on the L in Brooklyn still has incandescent lighting as does 50th St on the C/E in Manhattan. I remember until 1999 that 14 St/8 Ave and large portions of Columbus Circle still had incandescent lighting. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Fri Oct 6 00:49:15 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Oct 5 17:42:27 2006. "Pelham Parkway on the IRT White Plains Road line and Buhre Ave & Middletown Road on the IRT Pelham Line had incandescent lighting until sometime in 2001!"I think it was later than that. More like early 2003. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 6 10:51:41 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by rushhoursardine on Fri Oct 6 00:21:55 2006. That would probably be the last R-7/9 revenue run on March 31, 1977.If you really want to get picky, you could say the museum R-1/9s made revenue runs in late 2004. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 6 12:32:20 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by rushhoursardine on Fri Oct 6 00:21:55 2006. This is easy: 3/31/77, the last R7/9 consist made it's last run on the J line. After that, all cars left had flourescent lighting (though most had incandescent backups which lit when the cars gapped out). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 6 12:40:09 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:21:38 2006. Modern bulbs produce light at incandescent wavelengths. They contain chemicals in the inner coating that produces a light shifted to the red end of the spectrum. Most compact flourescents work like this. Tube fixtures are produced with both the warmer reddish light and the white "natural light", which replicates daylight and produces the annoying aspects you describe. Most subway station and car lighting use these white bulbs. I have compact flourescents in every fixture in my home and I cannot tell the difference between the light they produce and the light from the older bulbs. My electric bill certainly does! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 6 12:40:51 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:21:38 2006. Modern bulbs produce light at incandescent wavelengths. They contain chemicals in the inner coating that produces a light shifted to the red end of the spectrum. Most compact flourescents work like this. Tube fixtures are produced with both the warmer reddish light and the white "natural light", which replicates daylight and produces the annoying aspects you describe. Most subway station and car lighting use these white bulbs. I have compact flourescents in every fixture in my home and I cannot tell the difference between the light they produce and the light from the older bulbs. My electric bill certainly does! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 6 13:27:58 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 22:10:59 2006. The kiosks only existed along the lines of the first subway from South Ferry on the Broadway-Fourth Avenue Line (Lex) to 42 Street, Shuttle to Times Square and up Broadway (7 Ave). I remember them in Midtown and Downtown. I believe it was sometime in the 60s when a stupid decision was made to remove them. They were all taken down in less than a year, maybe within a few months. I recall a story in the Herald Tribune Sunday Magazine when the decision was made. There was no real outcry to save them. This was at a time when most everyone believed that anything "old" was bad and all things new were great.Many years later I realized why as a kid I also felt that way. It was because everything old was deteriorated and ugly looking. It was before I ever heard the word "Restoration". That movement began around 1969. I believe it was the destruction of Penn Station that got our psyche turned around and was the beginning of "Landmarking." It wasn't until they started restoring old buildings in the 1970s that I and many others first realized how pretty they were. Subway station renovations started much later except for a few early experiments (Bowling Green & 49 St, eg.). I'm sure others can give you more specific details. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 6 16:01:59 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 6 13:27:58 2006. From what I've been told, the Contract II portion of the "first subway" which includes all stations south of Bkln Br to Atlantic Av in Bkln and So Fy did not have kiosks but had unique partial entrance covers with a sort of fish scale pattern. The full kiosks were only at stations form City hall to 181 St. Even though I lived in Wash Hts, I never saw the original entrance to 191 St and since it was added later, it may not have had a kiosk. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 6 16:04:34 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 22:10:59 2006. They probably shouldn't but they were mentioned in some of the posts, so I made reference to them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 6 20:27:45 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 12:35:26 2006. Hey! I got one of those!
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 6 20:37:08 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 5 08:08:56 2006. I'll bet the lesser used stations, like Bowery on the BMT and Vernon-Jackson and Hunter's Point Avenue on the IRT still have bulbs in the mezzanines.Nope, not Bowery:  As for Vernon-Jackson and Hunterspoint Ave stations, I don't know about their mezzanines, but they are not "lesser used" stations by any means. Vernon-Jackson was ranked 215th in the system a couple years ago(out of 424 or so), with 1.7 million fares annually, and comparable to stations like Canal St and 125th St on the 1. Hunterspoint ranked 235th in the system with about 1.6 million fares annually, comparable to Broad St on the M and J, certainly nothing to sneeze at. But then again....even busier stations than that didn't/don't have flourescent lighting until recently..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 6 20:48:37 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 07:15:33 2006. find it strange that the #1 stations north of 96th St got platform extensions first, in the form of almost-uniform IND-style tilework and extensions that barely clashed with the original station.The lower end of the Lexington line, south of Union Square, also got one side extended (in that fancy IND style tile) in the 1930s, and in the 1950's got the other side extensions in the same ugly style as the Northernn 1 line, except instead of beige got hideous green,m totally clashing with the Contract One portions of the stations. Spring and Bleecker still has that:  As for the lighting on the 1 line, I could almost swear that the stations south of 96th, but north of 42nd all had just incandescent lighting only as late as 1986 or 1987. I remember riding through up there around 1986 or 1987 or so and thought I remember the stations there being dim. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 6 21:12:33 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 6 20:37:08 2006. I doubt if there are any stations on the E or F line that rank close to the 400s - in other words, they are all busy. But if there is one I'm willing to be surprised. |
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Posted by Olney Terminal on Fri Oct 6 22:18:54 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 5 23:40:53 2006. I often wonder what would happen if you were to take a working bulb and place it into one of those fixtures - would it turn on? |
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Posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Sat Oct 7 10:22:02 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to fluorescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by El-Train on Thu Oct 5 19:13:15 2006. BUt thats in Queens. Most are good there. If its a little dark, no problem. In the Bronx, big problem, especially on the Concourse line. Even with flouresant, it still loooks dark there. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Oct 7 11:54:29 2006, in response to Re: When did the switch from incandescent to flourescent lighting occur in the NYC subway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 5 12:26:18 2006. Stations on the 'F' from Bergen Street to Church Avenue were flourescent by 1989. The elevated stations from Ditmas Avenue south were in the process of going flourescent when I left Brooklyn in 1990. I'm sure they were completed during that year. |
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