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North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Sat Jun 24 08:14:31 2006 Just wondering if anybody out there has any photos of the construction of the North and South Channel swing Bridges? Yes I know they were constructed during the early 1950's, maybe around 1955 not sure, however I seen pictures of the LIRR Bridge prio to the IND Coming here to the Rocaways. It would be interesting to see how they built them. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Sun Jun 25 01:01:10 2006, in response to North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Sat Jun 24 08:14:31 2006. The bridges were built over 100 years ago by the LIRR. They may have been updated by NYCTA in the 1950s, but if they were building new bridges then, they would probably have been vertical lift bridges. I don't think than any new swing bridges have been built since the early 1900s. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Jun 25 02:06:33 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by BMT Standard on Sun Jun 25 01:01:10 2006. No, they were new swing bridges built in the mid 1950's. The previous LIRR bridges were bascule types and were much lower. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 07:45:35 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by VictorM on Sun Jun 25 02:06:33 2006. Incorrect. The LIRR South Channel bridge was a swing span. Not sure about the North Channel. The Cross Bay Blvd Bridge used to be a bascule bridge before being replaced.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 07:52:18 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 07:45:35 2006. Definition and photo of Bascule bridge: Link herehttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bascule |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 08:58:33 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 07:52:18 2006. Swing bridge; Bascule bridge;  Lift Bridge;  John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 09:10:11 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 08:58:33 2006. Thank you. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 09:33:16 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 07:52:18 2006. What is the purpose of this? He was asking what type of bridge the LIRR had for the North and South Channels and I responded. Are you implying I don't know my bridge types? FYI, I had seen the LIRR SCB in "Change at Ozone Park". Read the book before quoting me on my bridges.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 09:42:44 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 09:10:11 2006. I was unable to identify the location of the swing bridge.The double leaf bascule bridge is the Main Street Bridge over Wicomico River in Salisbury Maryland. (That photograph was my first attempt at taking pictures at night with my Nikon D70s.) The Lift bridge is the Norfork Southern Railroad Eastern Shore Division over the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal between Chesapeake Maryland and Saint George Delaware. (I was with Scott Kozel when he took that picture in 2003.) John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 10:16:05 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 08:58:33 2006. And all three are drawbridges, to Douce Man's dismay. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 10:17:39 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 09:33:16 2006. RonIsBS is an ass. Case closed. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 10:58:46 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 09:33:16 2006. Has it occurred to you that you are not the only one reading the thread? You appear to imply that this is some kind of private email system.When you post, anyone can read. Since "bascule" is not a common term to most people, I provided (and John followed up with additional photos) a definition for their benefit. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 11:09:55 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 10:58:46 2006. Seems you were the only person who didn't know what "bascule" meant. That, or everyone else was smart enough to look it up on their own. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 11:39:12 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 10:58:46 2006. Then say "This is the definition for Bascule Bridge" with the link for those who don't know. Don't place it like I don't know what it is. Besides, most rail buffs like ourselves know what a bascule bridge is. Pop quiz: Do you know what a pontoon bridge is? And try it before you Google it.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 12:55:44 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 11:39:12 2006. "Besides, most rail buffs like ourselves know what a bascule bridge"You can't speak for most railbuffs, and you don't know who reads these posts. Non-railbuffs have been known to read this and the old Subtalk. Defining terms is a point of courtesy to them (and everyone else). A pontoon bridge was among the army's best friends in WWII. Essentially a floating bridge with pontoons holding up the dynamic load. They are used in civilian life too. Most often they are temporary bridges, to be replaced with something more permanent later. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 14:00:44 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 10:16:05 2006. John said otherwise. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 14:50:16 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 14:00:44 2006. John said otherwise.For all practical purposes they are. The difference between the three is the method used to open the moveable span. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by ALP44 on Sun Jun 25 15:08:18 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 12:55:44 2006. Very good. You really are a fart smella--ooops, I mean smart fella. Just remember what I tells ya.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jun 25 15:17:55 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 10:58:46 2006. Ron, you are soooooooooooo lazy to look up this information. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 15:26:05 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jun 25 15:17:55 2006. Thank you for extending information that John and I posted. You get points for getting off your ass and looking it up, even though I'd already spoon-fed you the answer. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 25 15:40:59 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 12:55:44 2006. theres one in Washington State...built purposely. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:12:03 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 14:50:16 2006. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:12:21 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 14:00:44 2006. Nope, he didn't. All three ARE drawbridges. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:14:44 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 15:26:05 2006. STFU A-hole. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 16:24:01 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:12:21 2006. John identified his pics as:Swing bridge; Bascule bridge; Lift Bridge; |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:29:21 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 16:24:01 2006. Yes, and they are all drawbridges. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 16:32:58 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:29:21 2006. Calling John a lier? |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:37:19 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 16:32:58 2006. Not all at. Those are three types of drawbridges. And you're stupid. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 16:40:19 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 16:37:19 2006. And John identified the bridges as:Swing bridge; Bascule bridge; Lift Bridge; You also calling him stupid? |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:15:01 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 16:40:19 2006. Nope, I'm just calling you stupid, because you are. Those are all drawbridges. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 17:33:36 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:15:01 2006. John says they are:Swing bridge; Bascule bridge; Lift Bridge; And you say they're all drawbridges. Are you stupid? Don't want to read? Or just getting your jollies? |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:59:07 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 17:33:36 2006. They are all drawbridges. You are so stupid. I'm glad ou aren't selling anyone the wrong Metrocards and giving out incorrect directions/information anymore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:59:19 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 17:33:36 2006. They are all drawbridges. You are so stupid. I'm glad you aren't selling anyone the wrong Metrocards and giving out incorrect directions/information anymore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Jun 25 18:00:38 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:59:19 2006. Thank you, Mr. Seinfeld. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Jun 25 18:03:11 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 25 12:55:44 2006. I thought Curacao had something like a pontoon bridge. It was in the repair shop at the time of my visit, so we took ferries across instead. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 20:32:11 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:59:07 2006. "They are all drawbridges."Yeah, right. If I sold you a metrocard, you wouldn't know it was me. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 20:40:49 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:59:19 2006. "They are all drawbridges. You are so stupid."John, Brian's disputing your descriptions of bridges. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 21:17:26 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 20:32:11 2006. Why wouldn't I know it was you?And yes, they are all drawbridges. |
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Washington State Floating Bridges (was:Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges) |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 25 21:20:53 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 25 15:40:59 2006. There are four floating bridges in Washington State, two on I-90, the Lacy V. Murrow bridge, and one apiece on SR 520, the Evergreen Point floating bridge, and on SR 104, the Hood Canal bridge. 520 and I-90 both cross the deep and fairly narrow Lake Washington, and 104 crosses the Hood Canal, a deep fjord-like body of water just north of Bangor, WA. 520 crosses from roughly Seattle's U-district over to just south of Kirkland, while I-90 starts around the SODO area, tunnels under the Mt Baker neighborhood, and then crosses to Mercer Island, where a fixed span then carries it to just south of Bellevue.The southernmost span of I-90's Lacy Murrow memorial bridge was the first floating bridge WSDOT built, back in 1940 for what was then US 10. It was a four lane bridge with toll facilities on the Seattle side, and lead a fairly mundane life until the 1990s. In 1989 a parallel crossing, the Homer M. Hadley Memorial Bridge (named for the designer of the first I-90 bridge) opened to alleviate traffic on the original span. This turned out to be fortuitous since in 1990 a worker on the original span left a valve on one of the pontoons open and part of the bridge sank. The newly completed bridge served double-duty as an unplanned replacement while the original crossing was fixed. By 1993 the original bridge was rebuilt with some of the original components, and was reopened to traffic. Today the I-90 crossing has had its tolls removed and accomodates 3 lanes in each direction, with three other reversable HOV lanes for peak hour travel. With 6 lanes on it the new I-90 bridge is the widest floating bridge in the world. The next bridge completed by WSDOT was the Hood Canal bridge in 1961. This is the only floating bridge across a tidal waterway in Washington, as well as possibly the US and the world. It has a central drawbridge which opens to allow missile submarines from the US Naval base at Bangor Washington pass, and has just one lane in each direction. Staying true to WSDOT's ineptitude with bridges the western end of the bridge sank in a storm in 1979. This occasioned Washington State Ferries to reinstate the ferry service they'd eliminated just 20 years before, but by 1982 the bridge was rebuilt and open to traffic. Today the Hood Canal Floating bridge still has just two lanes, and frequently opens for storms, to alleviate the kind of stress on the structure which sank it in 1979. The final floating bridge is the Evergreen Point bridge, which was completed in 1963. This is the longest floating bridge in the world, and thusfar has been Washington's least troublesome crossing (if you ignore the daily traffic jams). 520 has just four lanes and is a daily nightmare for tens of thousands of commuters from Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, and Eastside points north and east of there. There's talk of building a parallel crossing, a fifth bridge, but nobody seems to be able to decide how it should be done, so nothing happens and everyone just sits in traffic. I do remember when I was a kid being horrified when a control circuit in the drawbridge shorted and opened the bridge with cars on it. Several people in cars were crushed when the multi-ton span came up onto the road deck, but I think that's the worst incident that the Evergreen Point Bridge has had. I believe every floating bridge has a lifting drawbridge section in the middle for vessels too large to use the overpasses at either end. I believe it mostly consists of a section of road which is just a caisson with its water pumped out until it floats, then is hydraulically jacked up onto the bridge behind it and rolled onto the floating bridge. The one link to the Evergreen Point bridge shows this to good effect. I know 520 and 104 have them, the latter since it's on a navigable waterway and acts as a chokepoint for a naval base, but I'm not sure about the two I-90 crossings. It seems that the new crossing was built without a drawbridge and when the old crossing was rebuilt the drawbridge was eliminated. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 21:34:38 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 21:17:26 2006. "And yes, they are all drawbridges"Swing bridge; Bascule bridge; Lift Bridge; Have you read what John called the bridges? Or are you just being stubborn? Answer that instead of repeating: "And yes, they are all drawbridges" |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 21:41:44 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 21:34:38 2006. "And yes, they are all drawbridges"Swing bridge; Bascule bridge; Lift Bridge; Have you read what John called the bridges? Or are you just being stubborn? Answer that instead of repeating: "And yes, they are all drawbridges" http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=271665 John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 21:44:19 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 21:41:44 2006. Thanks John. I don't think he was ever going to see that. But he might still not get it... |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 25 23:14:23 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 21:44:19 2006. Thanks John. I don't think he was ever going to see that. But he might still not get it…Frankly I was surprised he missed my direct response to his post and still decided to continue to argue with you. Don’t mean to sound like a smart ass but you could have ended the argument by linking to my post earlier. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 26 00:10:19 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 25 20:40:49 2006. No I'm not. John and I agree. |
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Re: Washington State Floating Bridges (was:Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 26 00:29:16 2006, in response to Washington State Floating Bridges (was:Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges), posted by WillD on Sun Jun 25 21:20:53 2006. Thank you for that tid bit of information!I knew there was ONE floating bridge there..but didn't know there were others... 8^). |
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Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jun 26 08:38:41 2006, in response to Re: North and South Channel swing Bridges, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 25 17:59:19 2006. Russell's being obtuse.Nothing new there. |
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