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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 6 13:44:33 2024, in response to Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 12:57:01 2024. It seems you mean trackways/platforms never used, even if they are attached or housed within stations that are. In this case, Utica Ave IND (the portion for the Second System) may at least make the top few. |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Nov 6 13:48:37 2024, in response to Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 12:57:01 2024. I would say the BMT City Hall Station. It is physically connected (including switches and tracks) to an active route (just needs station finishes) while Roosevelt upper has tile work and trackways but no physical tracks or connections to active lines. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 6 14:43:28 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Q4 on Wed Nov 6 13:48:37 2024. That had to be quite a bold move - basically taking the gamble that it would be more important to have the Broadway Express tracks feed Brooklyn directly and bypass Lower Manhattan (back at a time when Lower Manhattan was more the center of things).I say it's bold because the move didn't mean just building a switch or two but rather changing entire elevations (when it came to the express tracks) and then stub-ending a potential three-track station. Even if, as wikipedia suggests, the Broadway Express - Manhattan Bridge path was only meant to be for the short-term, I'd say enough was done with the structure / elevations that they had to know it was more than that. And it turned out to make sense, now that Midtown is what it is, but I wonder how many were sure about it back then. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 16:08:38 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 6 13:44:33 2024. If you want to include the IND Second Systems stations, only the ones that had SOME construction could be included. Obviously South 4th Street qualifies but the others not so much. Some of the "stations" only got as far as higher ceilings in existing stations where new stations would go. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 16:09:48 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Q4 on Wed Nov 6 13:48:37 2024. I agree to an extent - but what about Nevins Street lower? It was fully tiled, but I don't think tracks were ever laid in.City Hall is probably the right answer. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Nov 6 16:58:19 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 16:09:48 2024. City Hall is probably the right answer. Are there platforms down there? I thought it was described here in earlier posts as a yard, with only storage tracks. This track diagram shows three tracks and two island platforms. Is that what's really down there? |
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Posted by aaron on Wed Nov 6 19:59:16 2024, in response to Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 12:57:01 2024. 76th Street!!!:) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 6 20:17:34 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 16:08:38 2024. UPPER ROOSEVELT AVE HAS A CONNECTING RAMP INTO THE LOWER MANH.BOUND LOCAL TRACK JUST BEFORE THE STATION. AT ONE TIME IT HAD 3RD. RAIL TRACK & A HOMEBALL. SEVERAL CARS WERE LAYED UP THERE TO BE USED IN PASSENGER SERVICE. IT WAS ON THE MODEL BOARD.I SHOWED THE FEMALE TOWER OPERATOR THIS ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO,HER EYES POPPED OUT OF HER HEAD.SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS WORKING THERE AT LEAST 10 YEARS AND NEVER SAW THIS. I ASKED HER IF SHE EVER TURNED ON THE LIGHTS,NO SAID SHE. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 6 20:18:11 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by aaron on Wed Nov 6 19:59:16 2024. OF COURSE! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 6 20:21:35 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 6 16:58:19 2024. Peter Dougherty wouldn't have drawn in platforms if he didn't think there were platforms.Obviously, that's not conclusive, but at a minimum someone he believed must have told him they were there. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 7 00:30:29 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 6 20:21:35 2024. Dude, people have BEEN there. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 7 01:37:27 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 7 00:30:29 2024. Well, yeah, where else would the knowledge have come from? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 7 02:50:13 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 6 16:08:38 2024. Neither Utica upper nor S 4th St would qualify since they were not complete stations but only partial station shells and neither received any tile work. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 7 02:54:27 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 6 20:18:11 2024. Steve, from the reports of the people who claim to have been to 76th St, the station was not fully completed since only the S/B platform had tiles, the N/B platform did not. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Nov 7 08:23:52 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 7 02:54:27 2024. I know this. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Nov 7 09:23:57 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 6 14:43:28 2024. Consider too that the other connection to lower Manhattan, the Nassau Loop, was severed about 35 years after being completed. While that line also served the eastern division, it was also to be the route the special express trains were to use. I don't know the exact date it was severed, but when Chrystie opened they instead through routed the QJ and RJ to make up for the loss of the Banker's Specials, and also the TT that ran up there. They probably had to deadhead the specials to ENY once they severed the bridge connection but before Chrystie opened. And now only the J/Z serves the line and nothing goes through. The last time I rode an M train from Dekalb to Chambers, in the height of rush hour, it was only modestly full with a few people standing, but empty seats too. It was no wonder they killed the service altogether.But yea, imagine if instead of the bridge the expresses all ran through the tunnel. 5 lines of trains, now 4, all cramming onto those two tracks, a slow ride even now with just the R. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 7 12:16:38 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 6 20:21:35 2024. There are many videos on YT of subway explorers walking up and down the platforms of City Hall lower. The platforms exist. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 7 12:17:19 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 7 02:54:27 2024. I’d love to see that. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Nov 7 13:59:01 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 7 12:17:19 2024. so would everybody else. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 7 14:40:14 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 7 12:16:38 2024. Also, of course, from time to time a southbound R is turned around after a last stop of Canal Street. So lots of TOs have on occasion pulled trains into the station and reversed direction there. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 7 16:15:10 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by zac on Thu Nov 7 09:23:57 2024. I always thought the original idea was to have the upper level be the terminating locals while the expresses continued underneath toward Montague, something like the 4/5/6 but of course without the loop. I don’t know though. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Nov 7 16:23:52 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 7 16:15:10 2024. That was the original plan. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Nov 7 16:25:48 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 7 00:30:29 2024. I’ve been down there and yes there are platforms. |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Thu Nov 7 19:37:14 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Nov 7 13:59:01 2024. It's the station before Atlantis..... |
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Posted by zac on Thu Nov 7 21:57:32 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Q4 on Thu Nov 7 16:23:52 2024. It makes me wonder where they'd have routed all those tracks and trains at Dekalb, or what the plan was. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Nov 8 01:29:58 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 7 01:37:27 2024. SMDH |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 8 01:30:52 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by zac on Thu Nov 7 09:23:57 2024. The H tracks over the Manny B between Chambers and Dekalb were severed the exact weekend that Chrystie opened. Due to the realigning of the manny B tracks to connect to Chrystie, after the PM rush Thanksgiving eve, all BMT Bway trains operated vial the tunnel and manny B service didd not resume till midnight the following Sunday. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 8 06:49:21 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Nov 7 13:59:01 2024. Would you happen to know who leftbtheir shovel at the blocked lead out of pitkin yard? |
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Posted by zac on Fri Nov 8 07:11:25 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 8 01:30:52 2024. I do remember the QT operated all weekend. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 8 07:48:22 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by zac on Thu Nov 7 21:57:32 2024. If there was no link between the Broadway Express and the Manhattan Bridge, then as far as I can tell everything through Montague would have had to become a Broadway Express (with Broadway Locals originating at City Hall). Everything from DeKalb not going through Montague would have had to go over the bridge to Nassau St/Chambers or to wherever the Canal Street subway was going to take it. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Nov 8 08:42:00 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 8 06:49:21 2024. yeah,it was ME. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 9 21:55:44 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by zac on Fri Nov 8 07:11:25 2024. I was in the city on Friday, November 24, 1967 and did not ride on the BMT at all. I did experience a CPW express joyride for the first time - on a prewar D. The R-32s had not taken over yet. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 08:59:31 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 6 16:58:19 2024. A fantrip went down there in 2004 and I literally walked on them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 09:01:12 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 6 13:44:33 2024. If that's the criteria, Roosevelt Ave wins. That station was fully finished with ramps and everything. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 12 09:46:03 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 09:01:12 2024.     |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 12 11:01:49 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 08:59:31 2024. Isn't that the one where we got Mike Wall (not sure about the name) really angry? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 12 11:04:51 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 12 09:46:03 2024. It would've made a pretty good terminal. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 17:32:29 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 12 11:04:51 2024. Cannot imagine the overcrowding on the express platforms as the line it served would dump into this complex. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 17:32:58 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 12 11:01:49 2024. Yes cuz some had to go too far. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Nov 12 17:38:05 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 17:32:58 2024. Bill Wall...and one of the the nicest guys too so to piss him off must have been bad. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 17:50:46 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 12 09:46:03 2024. There use to be a police district office right there in that space.I was there some time ago, after a robbery attempt. Some jackass thought it was a good idea to snitch my phone and run. Got off the train right along with him, and proceeded to send him to his maker with my "little friend" I kept handy. Cops on the platform came along, broke up the situation, and after some back and forth we were taken downstairs and to the district office. Of course, you spend a LOT of time filling out this and that craziness, and when my husband got there, they finally said I was good to go. Everything would be sent to me via snail mail for follow up. The funny but true part,is the fact that this man thought I would be easy, but wound up attempting to file charges AGAINST ME for beating him up. When we left there, I noticed WHERE we were, and told my husband. He asked the same thing I was thinking,why is there a unused subway station here? When I had the chance to talk to Dad, he filled me in on the Whys and hows. I went back Once to the District Office after that, for paperwork purposes, and asked some officers about the space. Most of them were clearly in the dark, but some knew. I have never been back there again. As far as the wannabe robber, I went to all of the hearings, but was disappointed when all he got was 6 months in Spaford, with a year of probation. I literally stopped riding the subway for awhile after that, and never kept my phone in my hands while outside. I started using the subway again when I was assigned to a client who moved to NJ, always using caution. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 13 02:41:24 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 12 11:04:51 2024. That was actually the idea. Some trains from the outer end would terminate on the upper level and others would connect to the Qns Blvd subway. By the way when the late George Abere and I walked the upper platform, it appeared that unlike the rest of the IND, the station was only 8 cars long, not 10. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 13 05:24:36 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 12 17:32:29 2024. Good point. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 13 05:26:36 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 13 02:41:24 2024. Did the station also have the typical station pillars with the enamel signs? And before the police station was put in, could anybody walk it? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 13 05:28:53 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Nov 12 17:38:05 2024. IIRC, a very young kid got fairly close to one of the bumper blocks (and the third rail). If the kid decided to make a dash for it, the father might not have been able to stop him in time. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 13 05:33:20 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 17:50:46 2024. Interesting story! Yeah, I'd be a little leery after that too. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Nov 13 09:06:17 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 12 11:04:51 2024. It would've made a pretty good terminal.If the "M" train was to be extended from Fresh Pond Rd. for late hours. During daytime the hours a total 2-way loop, both clockwise and Counterclockwise, making use of ramp and turn-out. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 13 19:03:24 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Nov 13 09:06:17 2024. "Hey Moe, you're going in soicles!":) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 14 02:08:07 2024, in response to Re: Most Physically Completed Station to Never Be Used?, posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 13 05:26:36 2024. I don’t recall if just “anybody” could walk there. George and I were both TA employees so we had no problem. |
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