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Posted by heypaul on Mon Sep 9 08:54:47 2024 DelaysF & M trains are running with delays in both directions. Northbound F and 71 Av-bound M trains have resumed stopping at 14 St and 23 St. What Happened? We removed a train from service that had a mechanical problem near W 4 St-Wash Sq. To ease train congestion in Manhattan: some northbound F trains are rerouted via the G line from Bergen St to Court Sq and then on the E line to Jackson Hts-Roosevelt Av. some northbound F and 71 Av-bound M trains are rerouted via E line from W 4 St-Wash Sq to Court Sq-23 St. some 71 Av-bound M trains are rerouted to Chambers St via J line. Listen for train crew announcements to hear how your train will run. Posted: 09/09/2024 08:36 AM |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 10:40:06 2024, in response to Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by heypaul on Mon Sep 9 08:54:47 2024. That all sounds consistent with a dead train that took quite some time to remove from the northbound local platform at W 4th lower level.If you switch a train over to the E it comes in to W 4th on the upper level local track, thus avoiding the dead train. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Sep 9 15:19:42 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 10:40:06 2024. Let me guess: One of the NTT's, right? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 10 02:21:19 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by W.B. on Mon Sep 9 15:19:42 2024. That’s all that runs on the Qns Blvd lines due to CBTC. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 11 00:08:02 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 10 02:21:19 2024. Yup.Non Tech trains are only operated on the A/B/C/D and N/Q/W. Even the Eastern Division is 100 percent NTT equipment now. Coney Island is sad right now. They don't even like the 75ft cars.. but they don't have much choice but to run them now since all 5 car R160s are in Queens. Looking forward to the R268s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 11 19:24:59 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 11 00:08:02 2024. They're probably counting the days before the R-68s are put out to pasture. Something tells me they'll still be around for a while. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 11 22:50:07 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 11 19:24:59 2024. Yeah.The 68s will definitely reach replacement age Next year. The problem is, the TA will not issue anything, until Congestion Pricing is put back on the table,or the Governor and Feds ante up the funds for both 262 and 268s rolling stock. They had a hard enough time replacing the 46s, and That was their own fault. I know for a fact that D line riders are definitely looking for "new cars", since the D has been the home of the 68s from day one. 39 years so far, for the 68s,35 years for the 68a. I'm thinking that they would keep them around longer,to squeeze every drop of service out of them, but CBTC is playing a factor. The best option would to send all 68s to the Southern division, replacing the R46s still running there. The D gets some mixed bagged NTT cars, sending its 300 to Coney Island. It's pretty much a done deal that the D will get something out of the R211 car options orders. It's just a waiting game. What's also pretty much established is the R268 will be "mostly southern division" cars.. with some going elsewhere. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 14 07:36:43 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 11 22:50:07 2024. The D gets some mixed bagged NTT cars, sending its 300 to Coney Island.It's pretty much a done deal that the D will get something out of the R211 car options orders. They already doing station surveys(measurements) along the Concourse they did Bed Park Yesterday... It Begins... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 14 17:37:49 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 14 07:36:43 2024. No surprise there.The 211s are 603ft long. Exact measurements for the control boards,stop markers etc must be known. 75ft cars have ruled the Concourse since 1986, basically kicking everything else off. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 14 17:42:43 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 14 07:36:43 2024. More of less, follow the CBTC. Does the OLD BMT still have 25HZ AC signal power and is that why CBTC is slow to come to Coney Island? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 14 21:29:16 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 14 17:37:49 2024. The R40/42s still were plentiful for 20 yrs or so. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Sep 15 07:08:00 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 14 21:29:16 2024. Different mindsets in charge of things now…They don’t live in “how it was”… |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Sep 15 07:10:01 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 14 17:42:43 2024. It’s curious nothing CBTC wise goes past the terminal..Along The West End or Sea Beach.. Not sure about Brighton… |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 15 14:03:00 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 14 21:29:16 2024. I hear you.But,20 years ago, the D was R68, and the B was a mixed bag. The C was also a mixed bag of R32/38 R40/42. B was solidly Concourse then, running mostly 40s 4 and 42s. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 02:26:00 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 14 17:37:49 2024. Why would the R-211s be any longer than any train of either 8 X 75 footers or other trains of 10 X 60 footers? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 02:31:42 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 14 17:42:43 2024. The problem with trying to go too far with CBTC is that it only works on NTTs (or at least that is what the suits at the MTA want us to believe) and it will be quite a while before there are sufficient NTTs to extend CBTC any more than it is. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 04:34:48 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 02:26:00 2024. Not saying that they are longer.I'm saying the strip board may need adjustment. CO need to be in the right position to open the passenger doors, right? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 17 02:15:03 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 04:34:48 2024. True, but most stations on all the divisions are slightly longer than the maximum length train operated on the division so there is a little bit of wiggle room before the C/R is past the safe area. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Sep 17 13:43:00 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 17 02:15:03 2024. Speaking of which, why aren't trains that overshoot by just a bit (1-2 cars) allowed to back up? It never cleared the signal block, so nobody's getting a green to pull into the occupied station, right? As a passenger I really don't care if 1 out of 100 stops includes 10 seconds of going backwards, provided they never open the doors to a step or shove into to a messy-death category hazard. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Sep 17 16:52:49 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Sep 17 13:43:00 2024. Speaking of which, why aren't trains that overshoot by just a bit (1-2 cars) allowed to back up?In NYCT only was that train gets backed up is because of an emergency with the proper personel in the area and with permission from OCC... ANY OTHER times not allowed period. Quick way to lose those handles... |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Sep 17 19:38:05 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Sep 17 13:43:00 2024. Some day, one or more rear view cameras (or even sensors) on the rear of a train may provide for a limited reverse capability without the need for the conductor (assuming that it isn't OPTO) to walk to the rear car to spot for the train operator. For that matter, ZPTO would probably allow for such a thing, but on the other hand would rarely overshoot a platform except in the case of an outdoor station where fallen leaves might cause slippage and skidding. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 17 19:48:29 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Sep 17 19:38:05 2024. The real deal with that in my experience, Motormen/Train operators rarely overshoot station platforms. I've been a subway rider for about 30 years when I lived in the area and I was on only one train that overshot a platform. It was a TS bound #7 that overshot Rawson St by about a half a car length. The MM was a trainee and they opened the doors with the instructor protecting the first set of doors that opened up on to Queens Blvd.My guess that the rarity of that type of situation is not a worrisome priority in subway operations these days |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 18 08:34:18 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 17 19:48:29 2024. Motormen/Train operators rarely overshoot station platforms.Except for wet leaves, of course, which occur in a very limited number of locations. I've been a passenger on multiple wet leaf overshoots on the MNRR Harlem Line. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 09:16:10 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 18 08:34:18 2024. I was speaking of NY Subway trains. But on commuter trains which are heavier and run at higher speeds, their "slip slide" braking systems sometimes are ineffective in preventing not only of stopping on the mark but having the whole train slide thu the station. I rode the Hudson line for almost 26 years and on several occasions the train would overshoot the station, especially s/b at Cold Spring where the train had to slow down from about 90 (then) MPH. Then you would hear the flat spots that would keep you awake! |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Sep 18 09:49:21 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 17 19:48:29 2024. Highly consistent performance, considering the thousands of stops per month per TO. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Sep 18 09:50:59 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 09:16:10 2024. Hm. Considering the expense and wear of grinding a train's worth of wheels, they should have anti-lock. Airplanes had it in the '60s. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 10:11:23 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Sep 18 09:50:59 2024. For railroads, slip slide braking systems where the wheel doesn't lock up is the same as anti-lock brakes on roads AFAIK |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 11:32:05 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Sep 18 09:49:21 2024. Absolutely, especially on the Flushing line. There is very little room for error since the platform length can hold 11 51 ft. cars, the exact length of the 11 car trains that run on that line. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Sep 18 13:39:08 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 11:32:05 2024. I wouldn't want that job! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 02:17:35 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 17 19:48:29 2024. Good argument for installing magnetic track brakes on NYCTS cars like in Chicago. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 20:34:01 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 02:17:35 2024. Yeah.Train in Chicago have Track Brakes, like trolley cars. It drops from the undercarriage and grips the surface tops of the rails, bringing the train to a stop. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 21:39:47 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 19 20:34:01 2024. PCC designs live! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 20 01:21:32 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 21:39:47 2024. Yes, and it works damn well during the harsh winter months the Midwest is known for! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 20 07:59:24 2024, in response to Re: Some Interesting Reroutes of F & M Trains, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 20 01:21:32 2024. Denver's LRVs have track brakes, too. I remember going on a shop tour once and in each pit there is a sign that warns workers not to ever put their hand or finger between the rail and the track brake. |
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