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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 07:48:14 2024 Tuscarora Almanac for July 9 1958 – from The Book of First Runs Fifty new cars begin service on the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad. They will be used for the Newark-Jersey City joint operation. The first thirty cars (1200-1229) are paid for by the Pennsylvania Railroad and designated as Class MP-51. The next twenty cars (1230-1249) are purchased by the H&M and known as Class K. 1990 – from The Book of first Runs The first ALP-44 electric locomotive No. 4400 enters service today on the Morristown Line of New Jersey Transit. 2000 – from The Book of First Runs Passenger service is restored on the Harlem Line between Dover Plains and Wassaic, New York. The first train was #9910 and it left Wassaic at 6:25 AM. The consist was (n) FL-9 2005, Shoreliner IV coaches 6333 and 6305. Passenger service north of Dover Plains was discontinued by Penn Central in 1972. 2009 – from The Book of First Runs The first train of the Kawasaki built PA-5’s begins service on PATH today. The consist was (e) 5601-5103-5600-5102-5101-5603. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by zac on Tue Jul 9 13:44:28 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 07:48:14 2024. From Wassaic up to Copake Falls is now the Harlem Valley Rail Trail. The plan is to have it go all the way to Chatham but it is taking a very long time. There is a discontinuous piece that goes from Copake to Hillsdale, but crossing Route 22 is difficult. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 16:34:13 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by zac on Tue Jul 9 13:44:28 2024. Is Route 22 relatively new? Or is it that whatever rail bridge is gone? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 16:41:59 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 07:48:14 2024. Passenger service north of Dover Plains was discontinued by Penn Central in 1972.From what I read in a book about the Harlem line, they discontinued it the moment the ICC permitted it. That meant that the commuters who arrived in NYC from north of Dover Plains in the morning had no trains to take then back in the evening. I missed seeing the trains that went out there by a mere 6 years. I always wondered what exactly the workers were hiding when they wouldn't completely unroll the list of destinations just before departure. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 9 16:59:00 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 16:34:13 2024. Is Route 22 relatively new???? Route 22 has been around longer than anyone here has been alive. |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 9 17:08:53 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 07:48:14 2024. Those fifty cars split between the H&M and "Pennsy" had another significance: They were air-conditioned and were the first such cars to be so successfully equipped, nine years before the NYCTA successfully entered A/C cars (the last ten R-38's built) into passenger service. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:45:54 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 9 16:59:00 2024. I'm not a driver, so I'm just throwing out hypotheses as to why the railroad was able to cross at that point but not a rail trail. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 17:50:10 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 16:41:59 2024. Thats true about the sudden discontinuation of service north of Dover plains. Word came down from the ICC about noon giving the RR the OK.Before the ink was dry on the order, the Chatham trains were annulled. Those beyond Dover Plains passengers were royally screwed. Story goes that one time the 20th Century Limited went up the Harlem Line due to a serious derailment on the Hudson. IIRC, the train was routed to the B & M just beyond Chatham to continue westbound to Chicago |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:52:47 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 9 17:08:53 2024. 27 years after the railroads started air conditioning their cars. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:55:56 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 17:50:10 2024. Story goes that one time the 20th Century Limited went up the HarlemLine due to a serious derailment on the Hudson. Even if there was a viable track connection, I can't imagine an Amtrak train being rerouted like that on such short notice. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 9 18:02:35 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:45:54 2024. I found it on Google maps. The bridge over NY 22 has been removed and there is no easy way around the missing portion.Street View Aeiral view |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 9 18:19:38 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:55:56 2024. Presumably the time frame was when everything in question was New York Central. No need to coordinate with another railroad. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 9 18:45:29 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:52:47 2024. Yes for flagship passenger trains. Commuter trains w/o A/C ran into the 70s on several roads. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 18:49:02 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:45:54 2024. I just assumed (incorrectly) that it was a grade crossing but a pedestrian crossing would be dangerous.So it was a grade separation that was torn down and a pedestrian crossing would be dangerous and a new bridge would require $$$. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Jul 9 18:55:32 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 18:49:02 2024. Yes, a new bridge would require money, and it isn't clear if the ROW is available. A bridge for bikes though doesn't have to be heavy duty so not as much as a road bridge.It took years to build the trail over the wetlands between Millerton and Copake Falls. I don't know what the railroad did through there but it is basically a very long bridge for the trail. I rode through there about a month ago for the first time. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 18:56:24 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 17:50:10 2024. Jim: Back in the New York Central days if there was a serious problem on the Hudson Division they would route the trains over to the Harlem and then connect to the B&A to get to Albany. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by zac on Tue Jul 9 19:03:34 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 9 18:02:35 2024. There are two ways. One is you go back to Hillsdale, and the other is a very long loop around, just to cross Rt 22. None of the roads go through. I didn't know this when I tried a couple of years ago. And then on top of that I still had to take the detour to get from White House Road to Millerton because the trail hadn't opened yet on that stretch. When I last did a loop I used Mt Washington Road from Egremont, MA, East St, Cross Rd, West St and down to Copake Falls and then the trail. Mt Washington road is a killer climb. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 19:04:25 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 16:41:59 2024. 3-9 please see below: Tuscarora Almanac for March 20 1972 – from The Book of Last Runs Penn Central passenger service on the Harlem Division between Dover Plains and Chatham, New York is abruptly terminated. The last southbound (railroad east) train was No. 922. It departed from Chatham at 6:55 AM and arrived at Grand Central Terminal at 10:48 AM. About midday Penn Central received permission to discontinue the service form the courts. When passengers and crew returned to GCT that afternoon they were informed that the northbound train No. 935 would operate only as far as Dover Plains. The railroad made no provision for passengers who wished to travel north of that point. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 19:32:48 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 9 17:55:56 2024. I agree. Amtrak would just cancel the train. But back in the day, the NY Central was in competition for Chicago business with the PRR with its Broadway Limited. That said, The NYCRR Mgt would do what it had to do to keep its passengers coming back, by any means necessary. Thinking out of the box by sending the train up the Harlem was just another example of when customer service was important. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 9 19:34:43 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 17:50:10 2024. Very efficient.Too bad the MTA is unwilling to push rail service to underserved communities upstate. We can place blame for this on Cuomo squarely. Even a extension to Albany Was under review...axed by him due to "taxes". |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jul 9 19:55:28 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 9 19:34:43 2024. Too bad the MTA is unwilling to push rail service to underserved communities upstate.MTA service area does not include Columbia County. It stops with Dutchess County. The county line is about 1 mile north of Millerton. None of the towns wanted to be the new terminal because of all the car traffic it would bring. That's why a new station was located north of Wassaic on Route 22. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 20:00:17 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 9 19:34:43 2024. Thats true about a Metro North expansion to Albany, as in take over Rhinecliff & Hudson service. Amtrak would be more than happy to have MN take over that service. In the late 1990s MN even had a set of duplex (conductor on board tickets) and a fare scale printed up for proposed trial runs. Those trial runs never happened. The idea went nowhere when nobody wanted to expand parking facilities in Rhinecliff & Hudson and a reopened Hyde Park. Cuomo lost his wood when the NIMBYs bitched about possible traffic congestion and noise.And that was the end of that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 22:05:14 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 9 17:08:53 2024. Yep. This was right around the time that the TA said air conditioning in the subways is impossible, yet H & M had a fleet of IRT dimension sized cars that had A/C |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 9 23:03:21 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 19:32:48 2024. correct. There are numeroussimilar examples of other RRs detouring in order to get the pax to theiultimate destinations om that era. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 10 01:04:12 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jul 9 19:55:28 2024. Very familiar with "upstate", since I lived there for so many years, within the Capital District.The state built Amtrak's new facilities to replace the old station, with the idea that new commuter rail services were to operate to and through it. CDTA planned on building Light Rail services along Route 5 corridor to Schenectady,along Route 9 to Troy and Route 2 to Latham and the Airport. None of the plans came to fruition,as the state and CDTA crapped on the funding ( one particular political figure went to jail because of his very apparent dipping into the pot).. The result,a BRT route along Central Ave and State st.. enhanced 35X service between Albany and downtown Troy.. and other planned routes duplicating the LRT route plan. MTA Metro North never made it past Poughkeepsie, because upstaters passed that station didn't want to join the network because of how MTA taxed the region it operates in. No new money was available for expansion of station facilities for Commuter rail.. and Nimbys didn't want the extra traffic anyway. So,it was a mixture of wreckless handling, inept management, and fear that put the squash on development of a reliable system expansion for upstate New York. Is it any wonder why the population hasn't really grown over the last 20-30 years? Now you know. But Amtrak Did get its shiny new penis figure reaching into the sky, with limited services. The Empire line still doesn't run after 9pm to the City.. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 10 01:37:24 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 9 18:19:38 2024. Since the NYC used only Alco RS3s on the Harem, it must have been intersting to see the 20th century being pulled by them instead of either GMs or Alco PAS. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 10 01:40:34 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 22:05:14 2024. Hmm.They Did make the effort,with and 9ton under car assembly,that kinda sorta failed. It kept leaking water on passengers through the ducts in the ceiling. Also, engineering was against the attempt, saying riders were only going to be on subway trains for a short trip, so fans were good enough. The TA was dragged into the "future", kicking and screaming, the entire way. When the R32s specs were being drawn up being up,Air Conditioning was mentioned, and considered, but it increased the cost of each car by the thousands...on top of the high price of all stainless steel equipment. Of course, the TA balked, and stuck with Axel fans. It was because they needed the cars in a hurry double time, ahead of Chrystie st.. removing as many older pre war equipment from the BMT routes as possible (and to shut up the IND managers complaining about BMT equipment fouling up "their railroad".) The AC problem was addressed again,as an experiment, with the incoming R38s. 10 cars were given the same 9 ton under body equipment, but this time no leaks on the passengers occurred (sure it didn't 😏). It was successful, and should have been awarded in the very next contract. But for some reason, the R40 sloped cars, weren't designed to have them. For the TA,it was business as usual. The Mayor at the time, decided enough was enough, and demanded the new cars have AC. However,it was too late,at least for the first 200 cars built. The City insisted the R40, and the next fleet,AND ALL FLEETS AFTERWARDS,be equipped with Air conditioning. The R40s went back to engineering, and were built with AC, starting with the last 100 slope cars and the redesigned straight end cars. It was noted, that the first tested cars were IRT equipment,both R15 and 17s. The IRT remained without AC until the late 70s,when a group of R33s were given a different kind of AC unit that fit the narrow car profile. It was successful, and all the newer fleets, from R26 to 36WF received AC units. The 33WF cars didn't receive them, and during the summer months,were sidelined, leaving Flushing riders with 10 car trains, instead of 11. In the overall sense, it was pure stubbornness on the Transit Authority part,that kept the subway hot during the summer. They didn't want to do it,so they didn't.. until they were forced into it. |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Jul 10 08:11:26 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 10 01:40:34 2024. Sounds like it was the same thing, kicking and screaming into A/C for buses - of which the first for both the TA (8001-8202) and MaBSTOA (8301-8780) were introduced in early 1967. No doubt one person was behind the drive to force A/C onto buses and subways - Mayor John V. Lindsay. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 08:26:06 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 10 01:40:34 2024. I remember I believe it was July and August that they took off the 11th single R33WF Flushing Line cars because, reason given that those singles couldn't be retrofitted with A/C. This way the TA could backhandedly say that its fleet was completely air conditioned.So we were left to be packed into 10 cars supposedly air conditioned cars which in many cases weren't that cool. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jul 10 13:34:50 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 08:26:06 2024. I wonder if the TA had considered 12-car Flushing Line trains with the first or last car locked, and signs to indicate '12 cars stop here' just off the platforms. That would have allowed 11-car A/C trains. Would there have been issues clearing switches at terminals?--Mark |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 10 13:53:00 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 08:26:06 2024. I thought that they took the single car off the 7 train because people were suffering from heat exhaustion and needing medical attention. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 15:08:58 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jul 10 13:34:50 2024. I dont think they would have enough equipment to make up 12 car trains in the first place. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 15:09:35 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 10 13:53:00 2024. Uh...nope. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 10 15:18:39 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jul 10 13:34:50 2024. When the platforms were extended in the early 1950's, Main St was extended eastward (rr north) and Times Square was extended westward (rr south). There would not have been any switch problems at the terminals. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 10 18:52:19 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 07:48:14 2024. Riders on the 7 will remember what happened on this date in 1969.Tom Seaver came to within two outs of a perfect game as he shut out the Eastern Division-leading Cubs, 4-0. With one out in the top of the ninth, Jimmy Qualls spoiled the bid with an opposite field single that fell in between Cleon Jones and Tommie Agee. Agee admitted that he'd though of moving a few steps over to left, but by the same token, no one knew much about Qualls. I remember watching that game on Channel 9. We had just returned from our vacation trip to Florida earlier that day. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 10 19:20:10 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by W.B. on Wed Jul 10 08:11:26 2024. That is TEN years after DC Transit got old look GMs w/ A/C. O. Roy Chalk, always the showman, arranged a parade on Pennsylvania Ave NW to show off the new buses.Rail content, he also had one PCC equipped w/ A/C and high backed seats known as the Silver Sightseer. |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Jul 10 19:46:07 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 10 18:52:19 2024. There were two Channel 9's that ran that game. Our WOR-TV (as it was known back then) - and in Chicago, it was on WGN-TV. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 10 21:11:52 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by W.B. on Wed Jul 10 19:46:07 2024. I watched it on WOR. We were living in New Jersey at the time. I had started following the Mets the previous year and still follow them. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 10 22:27:22 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by W.B. on Wed Jul 10 08:11:26 2024. My seat of choice was the back bench, passenger side of the Flxables and Fishbowls, slide the window open.The wind always kept us cool |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 22:45:33 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 9 19:04:25 2024. They must have been that short on money to do it immediately. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 11 02:06:48 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 22:45:33 2024. FWIW, the Chicago, Aurora & Elgin shut down in midday having hauled commuters in, then ceasing operations before evening rush. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 11 02:33:49 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 08:26:06 2024. I worked in the schedule office at that time and SOP for the NYCTS was to have a “summer pick” which called for slightly extended headways during the summer due to anticipated light riding for workers and no students riding when schools were closed. The exception was the Flushing line. The light riding situation there was addressed by running the same frequency of service as in the winter but removing the non A/C R-33 singles from all the consists. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Jul 11 13:51:01 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 10 19:20:10 2024. I would love to see pictures of the DC Transit A/C equipped old look GMs and the PCC. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 11 14:14:58 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Q4 on Thu Jul 11 13:51:01 2024. I don't think I have either. All of that was in my roll film camera time and I wasn't very active. |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Jul 11 17:08:56 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 10 01:40:34 2024. Very interesting info; thanks!I had read someplace (possibly in a book about SLC) that the head of TA New Car Engineering in the 1950s and maybe beyond was a guy named Reggie Welch. It sounded like he was the go-to guy and I wonder if he was the conservative type who did not want to try new technology, or if his bosses told him not to take any chances? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 11 19:09:17 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 11 02:06:48 2024. Talk about a, "surprise, surprise!" That was it! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 11 21:32:29 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Q65A on Thu Jul 11 17:08:56 2024. I had heard that Reggie Welch was pretty much a stick in the mud and didn’t really care for progress either aesthetically or mechanically. That may explain why, as supposedly advanced as the R-10s were, their design was out of date even before the start of WWII. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 13 18:58:53 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 22:45:33 2024. Either that, or they were just tired of the whole thing. The PCRR had been petitioning for abandonment for a quite a while. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jul 14 09:10:14 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 11 02:06:48 2024. On this day, a one seat ride! 
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 14 20:06:16 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 9 20:00:17 2024. If Albany is up for the commuter service, maybe Metro North can just bypass Rhinecliff and Hudson, and leave them to the tender mercies of whatever Amtrak service is left. Or maybe provide the same limited service to those stations with Amtrak level fares. |
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