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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 19 11:43:59 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 18 17:36:11 2023. Chicago's streetcar routes were numbered. So were Denver's. Denver's bus routes are still numbered, but ever since RTD took over from Denver Tramways, route numbers align with Denver's grid system wherever possible. Hence the Broadway route is number zero since Broadway divides east and west. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Sun Nov 19 12:38:56 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 19 03:43:50 2023. Very true, unfortunately even Chicago, but not the initials T/O. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 19 13:20:40 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by Easy on Sat Nov 18 16:47:09 2023. BRT should be renamed to Bus-Operated Rapid Transit or BORT.Come on, BORT? Mommy, mommy, buy me a mass transit system! Run along now, BORT. Are you talking to me? No, my city also uses BORT. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Nov 19 13:48:49 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 19 10:34:07 2023. Chicago is pretty good as US cities go. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 19 14:35:55 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sun Nov 19 12:38:56 2023. True. In LA I think that most operators call themselves bus driver or train driver and not operator. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 19 15:25:15 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sun Nov 19 12:38:56 2023. Motorman=man or woman.Motorwoman=referring to an individual woman. Train Operator=NO GOOD! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Nov 19 19:24:58 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 19 15:25:15 2023. In SF Operastor ios the preferred term be it diesel bus, trolleybus, streetcar, 'light rail'. The only division with other titles is Cable Cars--Grip, and Conductor. SF had one of America's greatest poets as a Conductor circa WWII--Maya Angelou. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 20 02:47:57 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sun Nov 19 12:38:56 2023. As I understand it, the title “Motorman” was changed to “Rapid Transit Operator” (RTO) when C/Rs were eliminated and all service went OPTO broadbanding the motormen’s duties by adding door operation formerly performed by conductors. Many years ago on NYCTS the bus operators were similarly titled as “Surface Lines Operator” since persons in that title also operated streetcars. It took almost 10 years for the TA to realize that since there were no longer any streetcars in NYC, the title should be shortened to “Bus Operator.” |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 20 03:13:39 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 19 10:34:07 2023. Boston’s problem is that it doesn’t run 24/7. These days with more people participating in nightlife in most urban areas 24/7 service should be a non negotiable requirement. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 09:14:28 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 20 03:13:39 2023. 24/7 is unnecessary, especially weekdays. What percentage of riders would be served between 2am and 6am? Less than 1% of daily riders? Buses should be pretty efficient for that time period when there’s not much traffic. Or just Uber or taxi. |
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Posted by zac on Mon Nov 20 09:53:48 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 09:14:28 2023. Do you ever ride the subway in NY overnight? The trains are always crowded enough, at least on some lines. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 10:08:54 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by zac on Mon Nov 20 09:53:48 2023. Yes, I have but not since the before times. What percentage of daily riders would you estimate ride between 2-5am? It's not a small number in raw terms but it's small when compared to the total. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 14:27:33 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 10:08:54 2023. One of the defects of the newer systems, BART and WMATA, is the disinterest in serving workers on the late shifts, and those who choose evening entertainment. Having to leave a concert before the musicianms stop playing to make the last train or face a huge taxi bull defeats the value of public transit. I would further add that in several cities, it has been evening and weekend ridership which has rebounded more than the 9to5 office workers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 20 14:41:14 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 14:27:33 2023. They’re not disinterested, they’re uninterested. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 14:46:40 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 14:27:33 2023. I agree but you don’t need 24-hr service to serve most late and overnight workers and buses exist for the rest.NYCT has struggled with state of good repair for most of the last 5 decades. If closing for a few hours each weeknight can help, then it makes sense to me. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Nov 20 14:49:46 2023, in response to My LA Metro rides today, posted by zac on Fri Nov 17 01:10:29 2023. BLAST FROM THE PASTLACMTA BLUE LINE 2007  |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 14:54:53 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 20 14:41:14 2023. Actually I think they are disdainful with regard to late evening riders. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Nov 20 15:31:15 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 20 14:41:14 2023. Hear, hear. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 15:53:11 2023, in response to 24-hr service (Re: My LA Metro rides today), posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 14:46:40 2023. NYCT has had maintenance issues for decades. I believe it is a function of under funding and poor management of resources. The maintenance excuse in BART's case is, I believe, partially an attitude that public transit is not an absolute necessity, because driving is the norm. It is a cultural difference. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 16:49:13 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 09:14:28 2023. Buses should be pretty efficient for that time period when there’s not much traffic.So you go out and party somewhere in Manhattan and live in the wilds of Brooklyn. No way to have a useful bus for that. NYC nighttime trains only run every 20 minutes and they get quite full. There isn't much money to be saved by shutting down for a few hours. Also, plenty of people, including lots of transit workers, need to get to work by 5 AM. You could really only shut down from 2 AM to 4 AM before you the economy takes a real hit. What's the point of that? And now you have transit workers who have to get to a yard by 3:45 AM or get home from a yard at 2:15 AM. How are they going to do that? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 17:05:25 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 16:49:13 2023. So your rebuttal is that NYers aren’t able to figure out something that the entire rest of the world manages with ease? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 17:07:03 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 17:05:25 2023. And I disagree that trains are packed. Most are very light while some are busy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 20 17:14:37 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 17:05:25 2023. He is right.System is too busy. And too big. I read your 24 hour post and disagree. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 17:21:19 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 17:07:03 2023. I never said packed.I just Googled Tokyo subways. They run from 5 AM to midnight. Yikes! That means you have to head for home at 11 PM and you can't get to work till 6. Do you have any idea how much economic activity takes place in NYC from 11 PM to 2 AM and from 5 AM to 6 AM? When I've had 6 AM flights out of an airport I've gotten into traffic jams in Manhattan at 4:30 AM. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 17:30:46 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 17:21:19 2023. we all know nyc transit is the best on the planet, bar none. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 17:32:49 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 18 15:29:34 2023. i dig any kind of elevated train. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 17:35:27 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 17:30:46 2023. yup. the cars may not have that dishwasher sparkle, but they show up, and move us around. Summer 66 I worked 5-1, or 6-2 at a bookstore at 59th & 3rd while living on 7th between A & B. It was way faster to take the lex abd walk from Astor Place than troll for a 2nd Ave bus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 20 17:44:39 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 17:21:19 2023. This explains why Japan has capsule hotels. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 17:51:10 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 17:35:27 2023. i've ridden local transit rail in chicago, philadelphia, st. louis, new jersey (various cities), boston, even (in a modified sense) orlando, and, lord help me, jacksonville.dig 'em all. just that nuevo york am the king. the jacksonville set-up is interesting. there's a downtown neighborhood called brooklyn, and it has an "el train" station/bus terminal. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 18:07:11 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 20 17:14:37 2023. London is busier and closes overnight. It's not as much of a late night city though.Tokyo is much busier and it closes overnight. Same for Paris. Same for everywhere. It's a small percentage of the population that needs to use trains between 1am and 5am and can be figured out. If the NYC subway already ran a great service, then sure keep it open 24/7. But the reality is that it's falling behind the rest of the world in service, quality, safety, and cleanliness. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Nov 20 18:50:00 2023, in response to Re: A few pics, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 18 15:29:34 2023. KINDA LOOKS LIKE AN R38. |
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Posted by trains61 on Mon Nov 20 19:31:04 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 17:07:03 2023. Evidently you never ridden a R train at 12:30-1:30 AM heading to Bay Ridge. It`s packed. D trains,L trains, F trains, A trains and 1,2,4 and 7, while not crush loaded have sizeable passenger loads also.Most are very light while some are busy. Is not an accurate statement. AZ is still a culture shock to me, even after 35 years. The sidewalks roll up after 9PM. I would take an afternoon flight into JFK, get in about 11:30 PM and head to Bklyn. It was a welcome relief to find plenty of restaurants open when I got to Bklyn. While some of the present weekend/late night closures are inconvient there are plenty of alternate routes to use, including the LIRR from JFK/Jamaica. The Lurkers`Guild From the City That Never Sleeps to The Desert |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 19:44:27 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by trains61 on Mon Nov 20 19:31:04 2023. How busy are the trains from Bay Ridge? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 19:52:46 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 17:51:10 2023. agree, NYC has the most useful system. Part of that is just how long ago they started, and how dense the place is. Foryears, car rental weekend discountswere not valid in the 'tristate area' because warehousing your own inmuch of NYC is way too expensive for once a week usage. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 19:55:29 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 18:07:11 2023. none of those defects are magically solved by overnight closure. SF Bay Are folks whine regularly how dirty BART is because it started out trying to mimic a suburban LR w/carpeting. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Nov 20 19:59:35 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 20 14:41:14 2023. The subtle distinction between "disinterested" and "uninterested" is worth preserving. Thanks. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:28:47 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 19:52:46 2023. Well yeah. But having the best transit system in America is kinda like being the best hockey player in Alabama. It's cool but doesn't mean much.NYC used to have the best metro in the world. It's no longer even top 5. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:30:12 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 19:55:29 2023. Not expecting magic just prioritizing quality. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:31:03 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Nov 20 19:59:35 2023. I think that it's more a legal distinction. In common parlance either can work. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 20:37:15 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 20 19:52:46 2023. it simply allows for long city-wide journeys to be undertaken as a matter of course.my family (of seven kids) lived on beach 100th street until i was seven. mom used to go from beach 98th street station in rockaway beach to jamaica to shop. some of my earliest memories were going up the long escalator in east new york to the jamaica avenue line. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 20:38:09 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 18:07:11 2023. London is busier and closes overnight. It's not as much of a late night city though.Ha. It can't be much of a late night city because the Tube closes! NYC provides the demand. Consider MNRR, which does close at night, unlike LIRR, which doesn't. But even MNRR never really fully shuts down. It's first train of the morning departs New Haven at 4:00 AM. It's last train of the night arrives there at 3:56 AM. Grand Central itself manages to achieve no trains from 2:13 AM to 5:28 AM. MNRR could eliminate some late night trains if it wanted to - they are answerable to virtually no one. But they don't because those early and late trains actually serve customers. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 20:39:07 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:28:47 2023. are you high?name a more functional system. |
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Posted by trains61 on Mon Nov 20 20:39:36 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 19:44:27 2023. Since the R train runs as a shuttle that time of night paxs need to transfer to a D train or N train to get to Manhattan(If the R train is not running to Whitehall St.)So while not as crowded there are respectable loads.As stated elsewhere in this thread, there are people headed to work with off hour start times and as for me, 7:30 AM flight back to AZ, 2 hours before flight check in time... Non-Revenue First come First serve. The Lurkers` Guild Bay Ridge Ave. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Nov 20 20:45:06 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 17:21:19 2023. Pre-"woke" NYC |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 20:50:57 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:31:03 2023. It's not a legal distinction. They have totally different meanings. Disinterested means impartial. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Nov 20 20:51:04 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 19:44:27 2023. Depends. Sometimes empty, sometimes crowded. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:51:56 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 20 20:39:07 2023. Transit in London is significantly better. And that's a shame because NYC was def better mid-20th center. Since then London has built waay more and has made improvements to existing infrastructure that blow NYC away. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:53:56 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 20 20:50:57 2023. Look it up. Most dictionaries have a second entry meaning uninterested. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 20 21:05:09 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:53:56 2023. Pwn3d? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 20 21:17:14 2023, in response to Re: My LA Metro rides today, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 20 20:28:47 2023. It never was.https://web.archive.org/web/20090331113301/http://www.virgin-vacations.com/site_vv/11-top-underground-transit-systems-in-the-world.asp |
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